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Fiddling while Rome burns

Mike

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Obama golfs while Baghdad falls. :?
He gives a speech on fossil fuels & climate change, then jets off and burns thousands of pounds of fuel for a golf ball game.
 

Whitewing

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Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Obama golfs while Baghdad falls. :?
He gives a speech on fossil fuels & climate change, then jets off and burns thousands of pounds of fuel for a golf ball game.

Well at least the congress is in session so all is well with the world. :roll:
 

Mike

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Whitewing said:
Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Obama golfs while Baghdad falls. :?
He gives a speech on fossil fuels & climate change, then jets off and burns thousands of pounds of fuel for a golf ball game.

Well at least the congress is in session so all is well with the world. :roll:
Someone has to stay in D.C. and investigate his shenanigans. :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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Whitewing said:
Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Obama golfs while Baghdad falls. :?
He gives a speech on fossil fuels & climate change, then jets off and burns thousands of pounds of fuel for a golf ball game.

Well at least the congress is in session so all is well with the world. :roll:


I hope he keeps on golfing... Before Saddam it was the US (Daddy Bush and Rummy) giving arms and poison gas to the Sunni's/Saddam so they could kill Shia/Iranians... Then when that was over it was Saddam/Sunni's persecuting Shia's and using that poison gas on Kurds - then the US stuck Shia follower Al Malki in charge and it was Shia's persecuting Sunni's and Kurds-- and now the Sunni's have joined forces with extremists and its Sunni's getting revenge on the Shia ruled government and persecuting Kurds again... Just a vicious circle that we should never have stuck our nose in in the first place and now should stay out of ...

Just what I predicted almost 10 years ago would happen....

Andy Borowitz

A Three-step Outline of the US Invasion of Iraq
1. Break it.
2. Buy it.
3. Blame it on someone else.





Andy Borowitz


A BRIEF HISTORY OF US-IRAQ RELATIONS: Rumsfeld: "We're going to support Iraq when it invades Iran. Later, we'll invade Iraq -- twice. Still later, we'll support Iran when it invades Iraq. I know this must sound confusing to you, but trust me, it all makes sense."



June 16, 2014, 10:30 am
Deciding whether to use military force in Iraq is not up to Obama alone

By Chris Edelson, contributor


What's happening in Iraq right now is a catastrophe that can be traced directly back to the terrible decision the U.S. made to invade Iraq in 2003. As Josh Marshall explains at Talking Points Memo, none of this excuses Saddam Hussein's brutal dictatorship in any way. It simply demonstrates the folly of believing that a U.S. invasion would magically transform Iraq into a "united, stable and free country" as President George W. Bush promised in 2003.

Now, as Iraq seems to be falling apart as a country, many of the same people who were completely wrong to support the invasion of Iraq in 2003 are calling for intervention by the U.S. today. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who incorrectly predicted Iraqis would welcome the U.S. military as "liberators," and that the Sunni and Shia would "probably get along," is now saying that the U.S. should have left a "residual force" in Iraq and is urging military action by the Obama administration. Like McCain, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) dismissed the possibility of sectarian conflict in a post-Hussein Iraq and continued to support both the initial decision to send the U.S. military to Iraq and calls to leave U.S. troops in the country after 2011.

Graham, McCain, and other Senate Republicans "have begun pushing the White House to authorize airstrikes to combat the Al Qaeda-inspired militant groups that captured two key Iraqi cities [last] week and are now poised to march on Baghdad." Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) complained that President Obama is "[t]aking a nap" as ISIS forces push toward Baghdad. Graham is irresponsibly ratcheting up fear, warning that "[t]his is another 9/11 in the making." This is reminiscent of former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice's dire (but unsubstantiated) warning in 2002 that "we don't want the smoking gun [regarding claims about nuclear weapons in Iraq] to be a mushroom cloud."

McCain, Graham, Boehner and others who are calling on the Obama administration to order military action in Iraq are making at least two serious errors. First, they assume that military action by the U.S. could produce positive change. As even McCain confusingly concedes, what's happening in Iraq is "so serious, [he's] not sure exactly how it can be done." McCain is right that it's not clear the U.S. could do anything to help in Iraq. Suggesting that it's up to the Obama administration to magically produce a military solution is unrealistic. Secondly, even if military action by the U.S. did make sense, Obama simply does not possess unilateral authority to act. The president can only unilaterally order military action in an emergency situation to defend the U.S. or its military against a sudden attack. The Constitution does not authorize the president to use military force in other circumstances without congressional approval. The War Powers Resolution (which, as a statute, cannot change the constitutional framework) does not provide authority for the president to order military action in Iraq under the circumstances. Advocates of unilateral presidential authority to act will cite past practice. However, the fact that presidents since Truman have ordered unilateral offensive military action with impunity does not make such action constitutional. Moreover, there is now some contrary precedent. Obama decided not to order military action in Syria last summer without congressional approval. That precedent demonstrates Congress has the ability to set limits on presidential power — if Congress chooses to assert its own constitutional authority.

McCain, Graham, Boehner and others in Congress who are calling on the Obama administration to act in Iraq are ceding their own institutional authority to decide whether the nation should go to war. Even if they were right about the need for the U.S. to intervene, the question would not be whether Obama will act alone, but, rather, whether Congress will provide statutory authority for action. Unfortunately, the Obama administration seems to agree with the incorrect assumption that the president can act alone — Obama is reportedly considering the possibility of unilaterally ordering airstrikes. This would be a mistake, and would add to the dangerous precedent that the president can order offensive military action without congressional authorization.

What is happening in Iraq right now is horrifying and ghastly. However, it is far from obvious that U.S. intervention could help, and it would be a mistake for Obama to make a unilateral decision. Rather than urging the president to order ill-advised military action in Iraq, members of Congress ought to be insisting on their own authority to decide against taking the nation to war.

Edelson is an assistant professor of government in American University's School of Public Affairs. He is the author of Emergency Presidential Power: From the Drafting of the Constitution to the War on Terror, published in 2013 by the University of Wisconsin Press.
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Yep- our do nothing - "just say NO" dysfunctional Congress now again wants to cede more power to the President and the Executive branch (so if it goes wrong they can blame him) .... Wanting Obama to do exactly what they have been bitching about claiming he is doing too much of- mandating/decisionmaking from the Oval Office... :wink: :roll:


As old Huckleberry said- no one wants to do anything or be tied to any policy decision because the majority of the public is tired of the Iraq war and see it as I do- A religious/tribal civil war and think we should have never been there in the first place and now need to STAY OUT OF IRAQ ....
 

Mike

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OT wrote:
Unfortunately, the Obama administration seems to agree with the incorrect assumption that the president can act alone — Obama is reportedly considering the possibility of unilaterally ordering airstrikes. This would be a mistake, and would add to the dangerous precedent that the president can order offensive military action without congressional authorization.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Triangle Bar

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That is why this should have been taken care of with one or two hundred megatons per major goat hump village from ICBMs. Repeat as needed.
 

Whitewing

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Deciding whether to use military force in Iraq is not up to Obama alone

Someone should tell that to The Messiah, though he may actually still have authorization left over from when his predessor followed the law and went to Congress for permission to act.

On Libya, not so much.
 

Whitewing

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According to this site:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/white-house/obama-has-authority-to-bomb-iraq-without-congress-because-aumf-never-expired/?dcz=

President Barack Obama has the authority to wage war in Iraq without going to Congress, because the original use of force authorization remains in effect.

If true, then OT's source is full of crap, like him.
 
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Whitewing said:
According to this site:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/white-house/obama-has-authority-to-bomb-iraq-without-congress-because-aumf-never-expired/?dcz=

President Barack Obama has the authority to wage war in Iraq without going to Congress, because the original use of force authorization remains in effect.

If true, then OT's source is full of crap, like him.

Lets see- wasn't it just last week you and the rightwingernuts were moaning and bitching because Obama should have consulted Congress before he took action -- and now you are moaning and bitching about how he should go on his own and take action without consulting Congress... :???: :wink: :p :lol:

Hard to please a hard core hater! :(
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
According to this site:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/white-house/obama-has-authority-to-bomb-iraq-without-congress-because-aumf-never-expired/?dcz=

President Barack Obama has the authority to wage war in Iraq without going to Congress, because the original use of force authorization remains in effect.

If true, then OT's source is full of crap, like him.

Lets see- wasn't it just last week you and the rightwingernuts were moaning and bitching because Obama should have consulted Congress before he took action -- and now you are moaning and bitching about how he should go on his own and take action without consulting Congress... :???: :wink: :p :lol:

Hard to please a hard core hater! :(

Feel free you fat turd to direct me to a single post of mine bitching because Obama should have consulted congress before he took action in Iraq. And no, you fat fool, I'm not moaning and bitching that he should go on his own and take action without consulting Congress......he already has congressional approval because George W Bush followed the law and obtained it.

Having said all that, if he didn't have congressional approval, that'd not slow him down in the least as he's already demonstrated in Libya. And yet you who moan and whine constantly about the president having too much power today, have never said a negative word about his actions in Libya or his orders to kill an American citizen who had never been charged in a court of law with a single crime.

You're the worst kind of hypocrite there is, a stupid one.
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
According to this site:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/white-house/obama-has-authority-to-bomb-iraq-without-congress-because-aumf-never-expired/?dcz=

President Barack Obama has the authority to wage war in Iraq without going to Congress, because the original use of force authorization remains in effect.

If true, then OT's source is full of crap, like him.

Lets see- wasn't it just last week you and the rightwingernuts were moaning and bitching because Obama should have consulted Congress before he took action -- and now you are moaning and bitching about how he should go on his own and take action without consulting Congress... :???: :wink: :p :lol:

Hard to please a hard core hater! :(

The bytching is that he won't quit campaigning, playing golf and making speeches to do a dam thing about anything.
 

hopalong

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Hard to please a hard core hater! Sad



Yep you are proof of that oldtimer... shown proof you find some lie,,, asked for proof you never give it just tell another lie!!!

All you world have to do is prove some of you claims and maybe people could take YOU serious,, instead you alienate people... give people a unfavorable view of MONTANA...
go to the other sites and how many people agree wtih you??? That is a real claim to fame EH....

Seems that there are some that really KNOW you have no respect for you either.. Must make you PROUD to do more harm to the Montana image th all the skinheads you hate so bad :roll: :roll:
 

littlejoe

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Obama golfs while Baghdad falls. :?

and little bushie, the idjit who shoulda stayed home, paints.

cheney's prowbry shooting a buddy.

wonder what rummy's up to?

mebbee in storage unit with loopy?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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littlejoe said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Obama golfs while Baghdad falls. :?

and little bushie, the idjit who shoulda stayed home, paints.

cheney's prowbry shooting a buddy.

wonder what rummy's up to?

mebbee in storage unit with loopy?

Bush didn't golf after he sent troops to war. Didn't think it was right for him to be on the golf course enjoying himself while soldiers sacrificed. :?
 

kolanuraven

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Screw Iraq!!

If those people can't be trained to be soldiers in the 10-12 years we've tried, they are beyond hope.

It's foolish of us to think that we can reverse 13 centuries of hard set feelings in 10 years. We're the idiots on that issue.

The so called ' trained" troops stripped off uniforms and ran and left all the millions of dollars( of mine and your money) of equipment to the first bunch that yelled BOO at them. How more disrespectful to us can they be?

They broke it, let them fix it. We've lost enough blood and money over there, time to let'er be and let them work it out.
 

Bullhauler

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It really didn't matter how long we occupied Iraq. We could have stayed over there for a hundred years and as soon as we left what is happening now would have happened. As Kola says "screw Iraq".
 

littlejoe

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Big Muddy rancher said:
littlejoe said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Obama golfs while Baghdad falls. :?

and little bushie, the idjit who shoulda stayed home, paints.

cheney's prowbry shooting a buddy.

wonder what rummy's up to?

mebbee in storage unit with loopy?

Bush didn't golf after he sent troops to war. Didn't think it was right for him to be on the golf course enjoying himself while soldiers sacrificed. :?

You miss the part where he delayed the return of a carrier--to land on it wearing a flightsuit (in the backseat--he could only prove he was in texas air guard by showing he'd showed up for a dentist appointment)--to huge 'mission accomplished' banner?

most powerful military nation world has even known kickin ass on 3rd world country is hardly an accomplishment. Nor is leaving that country in total chaos at the expense of billions of dollars and way too many American lives.

O'bama is an inept dope. Iraq is bushie's mess.
 

Whitewing

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littlejoe said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
littlejoe said:
and little bushie, the idjit who shoulda stayed home, paints.

cheney's prowbry shooting a buddy.

wonder what rummy's up to?

mebbee in storage unit with loopy?

Bush didn't golf after he sent troops to war. Didn't think it was right for him to be on the golf course enjoying himself while soldiers sacrificed. :?

You miss the part where he delayed the return of a carrier--to land on it wearing a flightsuit (in the backseat--he could only prove he was in texas air guard by showing he'd showed up for a dentist appointment)--to huge 'mission accomplished' banner?

most powerful military nation world has even known kickin ass on 3rd world country is hardly an accomplishment. Nor is leaving that country in total chaos at the expense of billions of dollars and way too many American lives.

O'bama is an inept dope. Iraq is bushie's mess.

For all the errors Bush made in his 8 years in the highest office, I honestly beileve that every decision he made he did so in the belief that it was right for the country, and right for the circumstances under which he was leading. I don't recall a single instance where I believed he was putting himself above the interest of others.

I wish I could say the same for the next guy.
 
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