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FINALLY! A breeding plan of sorts.

mytfarms

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Well, I have finally gotten over all my little immature tangents and decided to stick to good bulls. :D Not all black ones, but good ones that fit my program. I have a good outcross bull found that'll be used on my cows every other year or every two years to produce a growth calf. I've also decided to stick true to the grain of small, efficient, tough genetics. Now I really want some good opinions on bulls that'll fit the above criteria. I want both Hereford and Angus. I really want them to look something like this one.


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Wish they had semen from those kind....
 

mytfarms

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Bump up. Correct me if I am wrong, because I am known to be, but that Hereford bull seems excellent, IMO. He is not as extended as some might like, but he is a thick, deep, well balanced bull that has a good set of testicles and looks masculine. I also read from Pure Country that a big crest is good because it supposedly shows that the daughters will be fertile for longer. In which case, this bull has no lack of that either. He is deep in his flank and looks square and strong topped. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I see from this pic. Are there any good little bulls out there today that meet this criteria?
 

Shelly

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Have you ever heard of WTK Continental? He was built quite similar to the bull pictured, except without horns. Dark cherry red, wonderful temperament, pigmented around the eyes and scrotum. We had a bull off of him, and we kept quite a few daughters off that bull. Good mommas, loads of milk, and quiet, easy to work with cows. Oh, and fertile. They always bred back on the first cycle. Last time I seen Continental, he was 8 years old and still going strong, but I believe he has passed on now. Maybe you can still get semen from him. Just a thought. You'd sure get some great black baldy, bbf, and bwf cows if you're breeding into black.
 

Northern Rancher

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Myt go to crinet.com and check out F-R 552 Lad 20P-he's pretty practical made Hereford bull in my opinion. He'll calve for you and make some excellent daughters. The outfit I bought him from raises them without all the fixins.
 

mytfarms

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Shelly said:
Have you ever heard of WTK Continental? He was built quite similar to the bull pictured, except without horns. Dark cherry red, wonderful temperament, pigmented around the eyes and scrotum. We had a bull off of him, and we kept quite a few daughters off that bull. Good mommas, loads of milk, and quiet, easy to work with cows. Oh, and fertile. They always bred back on the first cycle. Last time I seen Continental, he was 8 years old and still going strong, but I believe he has passed on now. Maybe you can still get semen from him. Just a thought. You'd sure get some great black baldy, bbf, and bwf cows if you're breeding into black.

Yes, I'd be usin' him on black cows. Thanks. I'll go take a look and see what Ic an find on him.
 

mytfarms

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Northern Rancher said:
Myt go to crinet.com and check out F-R 552 Lad 20P-he's pretty practical made Hereford bull in my opinion. He'll calve for you and make some excellent daughters. The outfit I bought him from raises them without all the fixins.

OK, NR, I'll be there in a heartbeat! :D
 

Northern Rancher

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http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24822&highlight= This link should take you to a pic of the bull himself-the pioc kind of says it all as to soundness and fleshing ability.
 

PureCountry

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I remember when you first posted that pic. I couldn't believe how different he looked from the pic in the Genex catalogue. He muscled up more than I ever thought he would to be honest. He's truly a soggy meat machine.

Where is he now? Have you got him, or are Fraser's drawing him?

As for MyT and your plan, remember to set yourself a goal for what you're trying to produce. Show calves, carcass animals, grass-finished beef, blah,blah,blah. That will dictate what you do with your breeding program. The bull you posted is masculine, and a tank on four legs, and used on black cows of the right type would certainly produce functional easy-fleshing females - if you could find one like him to use that hasn't been fed to look that good.

Keep your goal in mind whenever you're tempted to buy a bull or female, and ask yourself questions about them to basically "test" the animal against your goals. You won't go wrong. :wink:
 

Northern Rancher

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Lad is up in bull heaven he got hit by lightning back in June. Fortunately he drew semen like a tanker-Terry White at Alta said you could collect him with a pail-800 straws of top quality semen a jump. Maybe not being pumped full of barley helped lol. We've got a real good semen bank of him-it's even UK quualified-we used that bull from Randy's on his daughters this year-those calves should be pretty functional cattle.
 

PureCountry

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Sorry, slipped my mind. I remember you telling me that this summer when you were out for the rodeo. Good thing ya drew him.

Spoke with a Galloway breeder tonight who lost his best bull calf this summer to a lightning strike. Weird weather.
 

gcreekrch

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PureCountry said:
Sorry, slipped my mind. I remember you telling me that this summer when you were out for the rodeo. Good thing ya drew him.

Spoke with a Galloway breeder tonight who lost his best bull calf this summer to a lightning strike. Weird weather.

PC you reminded me of a neighbor we lost a few years back to a heart attack. This guy ran about 120 cows with a contracting/road constuction business on the side. He wasn't the best of ranchers. Cows died. On their back, predators, hung in the bale feeder, drowned in the river looking for water when he was too late to open a water hole.

Every one was his "best" cow. :D
 

PureCountry

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One good reminder deserves another.................you've sparked a memory of my soil reclamation days. We were working behind a pipeline crew in Saskatchewan, reseeding and fencing the right of way after they had backfilled their ditch. One of the last tie-ins they had left was a real deep hole, and every night they'd put up T-posts and orange snow fence to keep people or critters from falling in. In short, it was a liability measure.

Obviously a plastic snow fence isn't going to stop a determined cow, and we came on site one morning to find 4 hooves staring up at us from the bottom of the excavation. About the same time that the farmer arrived on site, yelling about how it had to be his best show cow, because she didn't come up to the yard for feed this morning etc, etc, etc, we were lifting a cow out of the ditch with a backhoe. Mysteriously this top show cow, presumably from the nasty fall, had lost one eye, had it stitched up, had frozen her ears, tail and nose, all of which healed and scarred over by morning, and had lost 4-500lbs. She must have been shown in the "Most Brands" category of the show as well, and judging by the number of them she was carrying, I'll bet she won every ribbon from Moose Jaw to Moosomin.

Of course the oil company, distraught over the whole ordeal, agreed to the man's request of $5000 for potential loss of income and replacement value of his priceless animal. It was a sad day indeed. :wink:
 

mytfarms

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Been some dern good bulls recommended and lots of ones that'll be on my list for semen. However, I haven't had real good luck finding a real good maternal Angus bull. Anyone have any or know of any that'll make some rugged, efficient cows? Thanks again for all the help.
 

Ned Jr.

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Here's a few Hereford bulls I have semen available on. Their semen is stored at Rocky Mountain Sire Service. I tried to use mostly pictures I had of them while they were out with the cows.

GB L1 DOMINO 175E
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L1 DOMINO 99496
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CL 1 DOMINO 320N
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JA L1 DOMINO 5603R
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HH ADVANCE 216M 1ET
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GB L1 DOMINO 935C
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RH DOMINO 6050
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gcreekrch

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Big Muddy rancher said:
I like what I see in that third bull from the top.

All of them are carrying a lot of meat.

What a set of ranch bulls they would make to crossbreed with.

I can't say I care for #2's head but there is no such thing as perfect.

Nice bulls Ned, if you want to give them the acid test, send em' up for a year. I'll send you the ones that live back. :D
 

Ned Jr.

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gcreekrch said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I like what I see in that third bull from the top.

All of them are carrying a lot of meat.

What a set of ranch bulls they would make to crossbreed with.

I can't say I care for #2's head but there is no such thing as perfect.

Nice bulls Ned, if you want to give them the acid test, send em' up for a year. I'll send you the ones that live back. :D

Thanks, glad you like them. I think I'll pass on the acid test idea. :D
 
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