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Fire fighters gunned down...............

kolanuraven

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html


Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?
 
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Anonymous

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html


Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?


You know that isn't so far off base... I can remember back in the 70's- during all the war and civil rights protests and riots-- in several areas of the country the Fire Depts and first responders wouldn't respond until a cop could be dispatched first...And the cops were being ambushed in false calls/set fires...
I know of firemen that went against department policy and packed a pistol in their bunker pants pocket....
Personally- I think times back then were much worse than they are now...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
kolanuraven said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html


Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?


You know that isn't so far off base... I can remember back in the 70's- during all the war and civil rights protests and riots-- in several areas of the country the Fire Depts and first responders wouldn't respond until a cop could be dispatched first...And the cops were being ambushed in false calls/set fires...
I know of firemen that went against department policy and packed a pistol in their bunker pants pocket....
Personally- I think times back then were much worse than they are now...

Can you bring yourself to admit that those who were guilty of such attacks in the 70's are some of today's left wing celebrities and politicans?

Bet ya can't.
 
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Anonymous

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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
kolanuraven said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html


Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?


You know that isn't so far off base... I can remember back in the 70's- during all the war and civil rights protests and riots-- in several areas of the country the Fire Depts and first responders wouldn't respond until a cop could be dispatched first...And the cops were being ambushed in false calls/set fires...
I know of firemen that went against department policy and packed a pistol in their bunker pants pocket....
Personally- I think times back then were much worse than they are now...

Can you bring yourself to admit that those who were guilty of such attacks in the 70's are some of today's left wing celebrities and politicans?

Bet ya can't.

Not sure if they did any shooting or direct attacks-- but many current celebrities and politicians were involved in the anti war and civil rights protests...Both the radical left and radical right committed acts of mayhem and murder- often using the pretense of protesting to commit crimes... One of the worst massacres was perpetrated by an Ohio Governor who in overreacting used untrained military parttimers as police and ended up killing 4 innocent people and wounding and maiming another 9.....
 

Steve

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The shooting of first responders has been happening for decades now.. disarming them has not prevented it from happening...

Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?

let them decide for themselves.. instead of making them be unarmed,... allow them to have a weapon if the choose to..

or at least give them a bullet proof vest..
 

hypocritexposer

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html


Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?


The guy was a convicted murderer. It was already illegal for him to possess firearms.
 

Whitewing

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hypocritexposer said:
kolanuraven said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html


Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?


The guy was a convicted murderer. It was already illegal for him to possess firearms.

A convicted murderer on the streets? Say it aint so.
 

Larrry

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Why does the left support mass murder?
 

TexasBred

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Whitewing said:
hypocritexposer said:
kolanuraven said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html


Should we arm every firetruck and fire fighter?

What about ambulance crew, EMT's and First Responders?


The guy was a convicted murderer. It was already illegal for him to possess firearms.

A convicted murderer on the streets? Say it aint so.

Yessir....beat his 80+ year old mother to death with a hammer.
 

jigs

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Kola, can you bring anything positive to the table? you are so sour in your old age. it looks bad on you. you go AWOL for a few years, then pop back on board with all this negative dreary stuff..... I thought you elite people were more "cheery" guess not. you suffer from the trust fund blues...
 
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Anonymous

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Man who killed 2 firemen left note on killing plan
By By GEORGE M. WALSH | Associated Press – 1 hr 11 mins ago...
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WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) — The ex-con who lured firefighters to their deaths in a blaze of gunfire left a rambling typewritten note saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and "do what I like doing best, killing people," police said Tuesday.

Police Chief Gerald Pickering said 62-year-old William Spengler, who served 17 years in prison for the 1980 hammer slaying of his grandmother, armed himself with a revolver, a shotgun and a military-style rifle before he set his house afire to lure first responders into a death trap before dawn on Christmas Eve.

Two firefighters were shot dead and two others are hospitalized in stable condition. Spengler killed himself as seven houses burned around him Monday on a narrow spit of land along Lake Ontario.

One of the guns recovered was a military-style .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., Pickering said.

The chief said police believe the firefighters were hit with shots from the rifle given the distance but the investigation was incomplete.

The two- to three-page typewritten note left by Spengler didn't give a motive for the shootings, Pickering said. He declined to divulge the note's full content or say where it was found, but read one line from it: "I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down, and do what I like doing best, killing people."

Pickering said authorities were still looking for Spengler's 67-year-old sister, Cheryl Spengler, who lived in the house with him. Their mother, Arline, also lived there until she died in October.

About 100 people attended an impromptu memorial vigil Monday evening in Webster, a suburb of Rochester. Dozens of bouquets were left at the fire station, along with a handwritten sign that said, "Thanks for protecting us. RIP."

Spengler fired at the four firefighters when they arrived shortly after 5:30 a.m. Monday to put out the fire, Pickering said. The first police officer who arrived chased the gunman and exchanged shots.

Authorities said Spengler hadn't done anything to bring himself to their attention since his parole. As a convicted felon, he wasn't allowed to possess weapons. Monroe County District Attorney Sandra Doorley said Spengler led a very quiet life after he got out of prison.

A friend said Spengler hated his sister. Roger Vercruysse lived next door to Spengler and recalled a man who doted on his mother, whose obituary suggested contributions to the West Webster Fire Department.

"He loved his mama to death," said Vercruysse, who last saw his friend about six months ago.

Vercruysse also said Spengler "couldn't stand his sister" and "stayed on one side of the house and she stayed on the other."

The West Webster Fire District learned of the fire after a report of a car and house on fire on Lake Road, on a narrow peninsula where Irondequoit Bay meets Lake Ontario, Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn said.

Emergency radio communications capture someone saying he "could see the muzzle flash coming at me" as Spengler carried out his ambush. The audio posted on the website RadioReference.com has someone reporting "firefighters are down" and saying "got to be rifle or shotgun - high powered ... semi or fully auto."

Two of the firefighters arrived on a fire engine and two in their own vehicles, Pickering said. After Spengler fired, one of the wounded men fled, but the other three couldn't because of flying gunfire.

The police officer who exchanged gunfire with Spengler "in all likelihood saved many lives," Pickering said.

A police armored vehicle was used to recover two men, and eventually it removed 33 people from nearby homes, the police chief said. The gunfire initially kept firefighters from battling the blazes.

The ammo keeps piling up against the "assault type" weapons...
 

Broke Cowboy

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Well, it seems the laws to prevent convicted felons from owning a firearm work really well. (Sarcasm - in case it is not noted by the readers)

So - how will banning something that is now so commonly owned actually prevent further incidents?

Smaller magazines? I bet I can make a mag change in under 1 second and continue firing - did it all the time overseas.

I am still waiting to hear some concrete solutions rather than the citizenry howling at the moon.

IS there a solution?

I believe there is - but it goes against those who believe the police are there to serve and protect and prevent crime.

I am also a little disappointed in the muted glee seemingly expressed by the person who started this thread.

I will keep my firearms close at hand - despite living north of the majority of people on this board, I am more than an hour from any help by those who never prevent crime - but show up to investigate the cause and effects.

Who would that be?

Why the police of course!

Merry Christmas

bc
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
The ammo keeps piling up against the "assault type" weapons...

Indeed. And yet it's nothing more than a word. Soon, any semi-auto rifle will be referred to as an assault rifle. Pull into any deer camp in Mississippi today and I bet you'd find 10 -12 weapons that would qualify as "assault" rifles.

As I mentioned elsewhere, shove a single-shot shotgun in my nose and I'll feel "assaulted". Again, words.

And as Broke Cowboy says, smaller magazines aren't going to fix anything either. I've seen guys unload a pump shotgun as fast as someone shooting a semi-auto.

But, let's disarm the honest, law-abiding citizens so we can all be protected from the criminals. :roll: :roll: :roll:

It all sounds like insanity to sane folks but it's just one of the many lovely changes coming to an America near you.
 

hypocritexposer

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http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=596710#596710


They still can't even define "assault weapon"


Pretty obvious that the "lefties" like OT just folow their cult and repeat whatever the talking memo tells them to say each morning.

They don't seem to be very scientific or those that think for themselves.
 

okfarmer

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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
The ammo keeps piling up against the "assault type" weapons...

Indeed. And yet it's nothing more than a word. Soon, any semi-auto rifle will be referred to as an assault rifle. Pull into any deer camp in Mississippi today and I bet you'd find 10 -12 weapons that would qualify as "assault" rifles.

As I mentioned elsewhere, shove a single-shot shotgun in my nose and I'll feel "assaulted". Again, words.

And as Broke Cowboy says, smaller magazines aren't going to fix anything either. I've seen guys unload a pump shotgun as fast as someone shooting a semi-auto.

But, let's disarm the honest, law-abiding citizens so we can all be protected from the criminals. :roll: :roll: :roll:

It all sounds like insanity to sane folks but it's just one of the many lovely changes coming to an America near you.

My dad would testify to that. For my first quail gun, he wouldn't let me buy a semi-automatic shotgun but would only let me buy a pump.

I thanked him later as my pump would hold 6 shells instead of only 3 like his. I often would get 3 shots to his 2 and rarely was I the one un-prepared during a staggered covey rise.
 
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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
The ammo keeps piling up against the "assault type" weapons...

Pull into any deer camp in Mississippi today and I bet you'd find 10 -12 weapons that would qualify as "assault" rifles.

Like I said before those that want them should be allowed to have them- those that don't shouldn't have to have them...Each to their own.. I've got sons and sons in law with multiple "assault type" weapons..
But personally I have no real use for them- and prefer some of the weapons that require more skill...

One time while travelling thru McCone County I watched a carload of easterners bail out of a car on a highway approach and start popping away at a herd of running antelope... One character emptied his M-1 Garand- reloaded and started firing away again... I lost a lot of respect for semi-automatic or military guns being used for hunting that day... Yes- I know it wasn't the guns fault--but the dumby behind the trigger would not have been able to be such an idiot if he didn't have access to 16 rounds so fast (more than I usually pack altogether in a hunt)....

Gave more respect to the hunts like Wyomings One Shot-One Kill hunt...

Edited because Hypocrit was whining!
 

Triangle Bar

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I think we should outlaw hammers and fire.

If dangerous hammers couldn't be widely owned, this creep couldn't have beat his grandmother to death and subsequently couldn't have reached a plea bargain deal to reduce the charge to manslaughter.

If fire was illegal he wouldn't have been able to lure the firefighters there in the first place. Damn fire!

:roll: Sorry for being flippant.... but the only connection I see is another disturbed individual. Let's see, how many laws did he break; murder, arson, possession of a firearm by a felon, and probably others. It seems those laws didn't stop his evil impulses.

Evil exists in this world and will continue to be manifested by those so possessed.
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
The ammo keeps piling up against the "assault type" weapons...

Pull into any deer camp in Mississippi today and I bet you'd find 10 -12 weapons that would qualify as "assault" rifles.

Like I said before those that want them should be allowed to have them- those that don't shouldn't have to have them...Each to their own.. I've got sons and sons in law with multiple "assault type" weapons..
But personally I have no real use for them- and prefer some of the weapons that require more skill...

One time while travelling thru McCone County I watched a carload of easterners bail out of a car on a highway approach and start popping away at a herd of running antelope... One character emptied his M-1 Garand- reloaded and started firing away again... I lost a lot of respect for semi-automatic or military guns being used for hunting that day... Yes- I know it wasn't the guns fault--but the dumby behind the trigger would not have been able to be such an idiot if he didn't have access to 16 rounds so fast (more than I usually pack altogether in a hunt)....

Gave more respect to the hunts like Wyomings One Shot-One Kill hunt...

Edited because Hypocrit was whining!

Is hunting from a roadway legal in Montana oldtimer,,,,If so why didn't you arrrest them,,,,,,,,,or at least hold them until the PROPER L.E. could get there!!!!!!!Or is this just another fabricated story of yours.??
speed of an antilope is about 61 mph for over 700 yards or over one mile for a minute,,, and you expect us to think that some guy firing it with a rate of reload time of about 10 seconds, and about 6 seconds to fire the first clip and then reload and fire a 2nd clip, even if he was very experenced at using the m1 garand i suspect you have loaded your story up to suit you...I also supect your ability to identify the weapon used if you were traveling down the road in a moving car!!!!!
 
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hopalong said:
Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Pull into any deer camp in Mississippi today and I bet you'd find 10 -12 weapons that would qualify as "assault" rifles.

Like I said before those that want them should be allowed to have them- those that don't shouldn't have to have them...Each to their own.. I've got sons and sons in law with multiple "assault type" weapons..
But personally I have no real use for them- and prefer some of the weapons that require more skill...

One time while travelling thru McCone County I watched a carload of easterners bail out of a car on a highway approach and start popping away at a herd of running antelope... One character emptied his M-1 Garand- reloaded and started firing away again... I lost a lot of respect for semi-automatic or military guns being used for hunting that day... Yes- I know it wasn't the guns fault--but the dumby behind the trigger would not have been able to be such an idiot if he didn't have access to 16 rounds so fast (more than I usually pack altogether in a hunt)....

Gave more respect to the hunts like Wyomings One Shot-One Kill hunt...

Edited because Hypocrit was whining!

Is hunting from a roadway legal in Montana oldtimer,,,,If so why didn't you arrrest them,,,,,,,,,or at least hold them until the PROPER L.E. could get there!!!!!!!Or is this just another fabricated story of yours.??
speed of an antilope is about 61 mph for over 700 yards or over one mile for a minute,,, and you expect us to think that some guy firing it with a rate of reload time of about 10 seconds, and about 6 seconds to fire the first clip and then reload and fire a 2nd clip, even if he was very experenced at using the m1 garand i suspect you have loaded your story up to suit you...I also supect your ability to identify the weapon used if you were traveling down the road in a moving car!!!!!

Whine, beech, moan-- you sound like a sick old cow... You can roadhunt all you want in Montana- as long as you don't shoot from or across the roadway... And actually it was myself, a Chief of Police and a Sheriff- and we did stop and we did get the license number- and as we watched antelope start to fall all over or wounded ones dragging around we radioed the game warden (FG-67) who was only a few miles away and came and took care of it.. If my memory is right (as we had a meeting to attend and never stuck around with the warden)- no citations were issued- but he made them collect all they had shot/follow up the woundeds and use every antelope tag they had-- which to their chagrin was all on small bucks, does, fawns and not the big bucks they were after....

But someone standing there leaning over a fence post pumping out rounds at a running herd of antelope as fast as he could pull the trigger and reload a clip- to me- was not hunting or being a sportsman...And gave me a nasty impression of using semi auto "military type" rifles for hunting... That might be kosher in your part of the country Hoppy -- but not here...
 
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