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Fires & Global Warming

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/25/env.environment.fires/index.html


read this

You ever notice when articles like this give examples how recent the examples they give are? They compare the fire season from 1987-2003 to 1970-1986. The reason they do not have larger comparisons is because most likely prior to 1970 California experienced fire seasons just as long or longer than as now.

It was the same way in comparing Hurricane seasons, they mention the last 20 years or so on how many more there were. But neglect to inform readers that we had worse hurricane seasons in the 1940's and 1800's.

Global warming fanatics do not represent the history of droughts or weather patterns fairly because if they did it would show that over a 100 or 200 years everything bad that is happening now has happened before.

Hardly ever in weather events will you hear this is the worse EVER. Usually you will hear stuff like this is the worse Ever SINCE 1940 etc.....Kind of like the drought in Oklahoma, it was Global warning's fault but when the compared it they said worse since the Dust bowl days. Well what caused the Dust bowl? Was it cars? I don't think so.
 

kolanuraven

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Well it's just common sense that if there is a lack of rain.....things are drier.....chances of fire and it's resulting damage are greater.


You can't get any plainer than that!!


It's one of those "DUH" kinda issues!!

When a butterfly flaps its wings....you'd be surprised what the effect could be!!!!
 

Tex

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aplusmnt said:
Tex said:
I found it interesting that much of the California fire help was ordered by the governor and done by STATE officials who acted much faster than the Feds did in Katrina. Bush shouldn't get much credit for the response to the California situation because he didn't have much impact. The governor opened up the Qualcomm stadium, not President Bush.

This is the point! It should have been the same way for Katrina the state should have had things under control until the Feds could act. Yes the feds acted slower than they should have. But the problem was that they were needed to act faster than they should have been. The type of people stranded and the type of people in charge in the state led to the problem in Katrina.

The only problem the Feds did was that they should have been prepared to take over once it was evident the State was not going to do its job and the people were not going to participate in helping themselves.

California is handling it the way New Orleans should have, the state do the brunt of the work and the feds show up later with money and a plan for completion.

Bush's biggest mistake was not realizing just how worthless the people were involved in the New Orleans effort, he probably assumed they were of the same caliber as the Californians who are taking care of business as intended.

I would agree with a lot of what you say here. Bush's impact on helping Californians is limited. Those fires will continue until the Santa Anna winds stop and the fuel for the fire is gone. Bush will have little if any affect on either.

He did have the national assets that FEMA was supposed to deliver. These were national (federal) resources, not state resources, for the most part.

Bush's administration was incompetent in providing those resources fast and efficiently.

No one knows exactly where hurricanes will hit, nor their strength until the time approaches. This leads little time to evacuate.

Houston evacuated because of Rita and clogged all the highways. Rita didn't come ashore as close to Houston so almost all of that evacuation was not necessary. Rita hit closer to Beaumont.

Mind you, Houston is 60 miles inland with the ship channel coming up to city.

Governments can not stop natural disasters. They can have policies that mitigate damage. They can also respond quickly when one hits. The Bush administration did not do this on Katrina. They and their political appointees did not view the threat as it was and they did not respond adequately when it was known. They put their heads in the sand in the White House.

Houston has had a lot of experience with hurricanes because of its geographical location. I remember when I was first going to college, I skipped the first week to work on the damage of Hurricane Alicia on Galveston Island. Houston city central was closed because of all the skyscraper glass debris from the hurricane. Bush should have handled all the federal response to Katrina a little better ---after all the Bush family is from Houston.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
I havent't read this whole thread, but I have a friend from California that
says the Santa Ana winds bring out the arsonists. That, and the full moon...


And OT, Pat Parelli says it like this:
Prior
and Proper
Preparation
Prevents
Pee-poor
performance!!!!

:)
(just thought you'd enjoy that little tid-bit. I bet he just
embellished on the same thing you posted. It's good. I like it.)
 
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Anonymous

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Bush's biggest mistake was not realizing just how worthless the people were involved in the New Orleans effort, he probably assumed they were of the same caliber as the Californians who are taking care of business as intended.

That and the fact that GW's FEMA folks from the time he took officer were "cronyism" appointments to a very important postition that requires knowledge and experience- starting with Joe Allbaugh who's degree was in "political science" and who's only qualifications was that he was a Reagan-Bush campaigner and later ran GW's Texas Governors race campaign and 2000 Presidential campaign :roll: :( :mad: Who then hired his old campaign buddy Michael Brown-- who lied on his federal resume of his experience and training, which nobody in the Administration even looked at when they appointed him Director after Allbaugh left after the power struggle of the Homeland Security consolidation left him sucking hind teat-- which ended with old Cherkoff running things now- who still won't/can't close the borders to the invaders coming across....

Just a continuing mirror image of the entire inept bureaucracy of the Bush Administration... :( :( :mad:
 

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