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For all you folks that are screaming about us losing our rights- and about the Constitution being infringed upon- heres one to sink your teeth into.....

How many of you have stood up and opposed this Bush USDA promulgated decree upon its citizens.... :???:

August 17, 2009



NAIS Violates Constitutional Rights, Privileges of U.S. Cattle Producers,

Including – but not Limited to – the Expectation of Privacy




Billings, Mont. – As promised, R-CALF USA has launched a 12-day blitz of news releases to explain in detail many of the reasons our members oppose the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA’s) National Animal Identification System (NAIS).



With this effort, R-CALF USA hopes to bring to light many of the dangerous aspects associated with NAIS with regard to invasion-of-privacy issues, the likely acceleration of the ongoing exodus of U.S. cattle producers from the industry, as well as other concerns we believe USDA has not even begun to ponder.



In the fourth installment of our NAIS Opposition Blitz, we explore how NAIS violates rights and privileges of U.S. cattle producers that are protected by the U.S. Constitution, including, but not limited to, the expectation of privacy:



* Nowhere in the Animal Health Protection Act – the act cited by USDA as granting it authority to implement NAIS – is USDA expressly authorized by Congress to impose NAIS on every citizen who owns cattle. USDA’s mere claim that its actions relate to animal health does not grant it carte blanch authority to exercise such an overarching extension of federal power as embodied in NAIS on every cattle owner in every state. Further, and because Congress has never expressly authorized such an overarching extension of federal power as NAIS on the citizens of each state, Congress has never addressed how NAIS’ impositions would square with the notion of limited, express, and enumerated powers embodied in Article I, Section 8, of the U.S. Constitution. Nor has Congress addressed how NAIS and animal health are squared with the Fourth Amendment guarantee that people will be “secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures. . .”



* NAIS does not differentiate between cattle or cattle producers who are of negligible risk for disease outbreaks (such as cow/calf producers with closed herds) from producers who are of higher risk for disease outbreaks (such as feedlots with 500,000 head capacity). Instead, NAIS treats every animal and every cattle producer as if they were the subject of a disease investigation, requiring them to register their property and their livestock with the federal government and to report the movements of their animals.



* NAIS subjects every cattle producer, whether or not they are the subject of a disease investigation, to the potential for government intrusion of and on their private property. For example, the NAIS registration form for South Dakota states that the registrant’s information (and perhaps their real property) may be accessed for not only disease traceback purposes, but also for “animal health surveillance purposes.”[1] Nowhere does the registration form define or otherwise limit the scope of animal health surveillance purposes, though producers are expressly subjected to perjury penalties if the government were to find, for example, that the registrant’s information was not correct. Therefore, producers have no assurance that NAIS would not subject them to unwarranted searches or other invasions of their constitutionally protected rights.



* Because Congress did not pass a statute expressly authorizing USDA to implement NAIS, nor has USDA ever promulgated a rule to implement it, U.S. producers have no way of knowing the full extent of USDA’s intrusion upon their lives and businesses. In addition, they do not know the penalties that they would be subject to for errors contained in the NAIS database or for failing to comply with any regulatory or policy requirement that USDA may later decide to impose.
 

hypocritexposer

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Sure, maybe after we discuss NAIS again, we can discuss how important it is to know what country your beef comes from, so the consumer can make an informed choice.

While it does not seem too important to know anything about a Presidential candidate, so the voters can make an informed decision.

What about his advisors, maybe we can take a stab at that, and how it is related to Health.

We could call it PCOOL for politicians.

When you worry more about the Natural Born status of the President, than the Natural Born status of your beef, maybe then we might believe you even come close to respecting the Constitution.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Sure, maybe after we discuss NAIS again, we can discuss how important it is to know what country your beef comes from, so the consumer can make an informed choice.

While it does not seem too important to know anything about a Presidential candidate, so the voters can make an informed decision.

What about his advisors, maybe we can take a stab at that, and how it is related to Health.

We could call it PCOOL for politicians.

M-COOL is a law- passed by Congress- and signed by the President of the United States...

Big difference- but I didn't expect your Constitution backing to go much further than the negative conspiracies you can throw out to promote fear- hate- and anarchy.... :wink:
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Natural Born citizen status for a President is of the highest law. You'd think you'd respect that as much as you do COOL.

I do- but I don't believe in nutcase conspiracy theories- that are totally unsupported by any facts...

And somehow I knew you'd try to change the subject- the reason I posted it the way I did to show what a nutcase hypocrit you've become...
 

hypocritexposer

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you do? Then what is the definition of a Natural Born Citizen?

your documentation for labeling Obama American is a forged document. He can't even prove how old he is.

I wouldn't trust you to label your cattle to COOL or NAIS any differently.

You are the hypocrite, if you respect one law, but not Constitutional law.

I respect both.
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Natural Born citizen status for a President is of the highest law. You'd think you'd respect that as much as you do COOL.

I do- but I don't believe in nutcase conspiracy theories- that are totally unsupported by any facts...

And somehow I knew you'd try to change the subject- the reason I posted it the way I did to show what a nutcase hypocrit you've become...

and when you title a thread "for Hypo and other Constitutional watchers", I'll assume I am staying on topic, if I discuss the Constitution and your disrespect for it.

maybe you'd like to change the subject to discussing my vaccine fearmongering.

That's when I will bring up your hypocricy in worrying about BSE, but not to the aluminum hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson’s, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig’s disease), and Alzheimer’s.

fearmongering?
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
you do? Then what is the definition of a Natural Born Citizen?

your documentation for labeling Obama American is a forged document. He can't even prove how old he is.

I wouldn't trust you to label your cattle to COOL or NAIS any differently.

You are the hypocrite, if you respect one law, but not Constitutional law.

I respect both.

Poor OT. Busted again. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Mike said:
hypocritexposer said:
you do? Then what is the definition of a Natural Born Citizen?

your documentation for labeling Obama American is a forged document. He can't even prove how old he is.

I wouldn't trust you to label your cattle to COOL or NAIS any differently.

You are the hypocrite, if you respect one law, but not Constitutional law.

I respect both.

Poor OT. Busted again. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you say so- Grand Poobah :roll: :lol: :lol: I tend to consider it I won't lower myself to crawl in the mud with the nutcases that eat up every morsel of every conspiracy thrown their way by their handlers...
 

hypocritexposer

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which conspiracy you talking about OT.

BSE or vaccines?

you do believe in testing, in both cases, do you not?

You are surely not saying that a question of Constitutional law is a conspiracy theory, are you?
 

hypocritexposer

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The thread was written "for me", on constitutional issues.

okay, I'll answer the question.

How many of you have stood up and opposed this Bush USDA promulgated decree upon its citizens...

Won't it's Constitutional validity not have be defined by SCOTUS, before you can say one way or another?

If it's not defined, then you cannot automatically assume it is valid one way or the other. It needs to be interpreted first, and the decision would need to be made public.

Don't you agree?
 

Mike

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NAIS was conceived by the NIAA about 1984. The NIAA convinced the Bush Admin., USDA, that the threat to cattle from Foot & Mouth was an imminent danger to the U.S. cattle industry, especially after the travesty in the UK outbreak, and the threats from the 911'ers, i.e. Muslims.

Foot & Mouth is still a danger with no conceived program yet to track movements of cattle across the entire USA.

Either each state needs to get on the same tracking plan or the Feds will implement one for everyone. Which one will it be.

If Foot & Mouth hit the U.S. now it would devastate us. Tracking may not stop all of it, but may save a few seedstock.
 
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