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RoperAB

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Well that sounds like a bunch of sugar coated political stuff.
Were talking about religous crack pots who use there own women and children for human shields.
Just my oppinion but I think Saddam had to make it appear that he had more weapons than he did just to maintain his own power over his own people. They only seem to understand force. Im starting to think that a lot of the stuff he did he had to do just to maintain power. Actually they all seem like a bunch of wired up fanatical nut jobs over there.
I think were going to have to think of a better way of killing more of them faster.
I dont see much hope in trying to civilize them.
 

Econ101

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RoperAB said:
Well that sounds like a bunch of sugar coated political stuff.
Were talking about religous crack pots who use there own women and children for human shields.
Just my oppinion but I think Saddam had to make it appear that he had more weapons than he did just to maintain his own power over his own people. They only seem to understand force. Im starting to think that a lot of the stuff he did he had to do just to maintain power. Actually they all seem like a bunch of wired up fanatical nut jobs over there.
I think were going to have to think of a better way of killing more of them faster.
I dont see much hope in trying to civilize them.

Such a diplomat, Roper.
 

Disagreeable

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RoperAB said:
Well that sounds like a bunch of sugar coated political stuff.

What it sounds like is Tony Blair admitting the Iraqi war was a mistake.

Were talking about religous crack pots who use there own women and children for human shields.

Not in Iraq.

Just my oppinion but I think Saddam had to make it appear that he had more weapons than he did just to maintain his own power over his own people. They only seem to understand force. Im starting to think that a lot of the stuff he did he had to do just to maintain power. Actually they all seem like a bunch of wired up fanatical nut jobs over there.

That's exactly how Saddam stayed in power. You're seeing the light! Amazing. Even Bill O'Rielly said a while ago that Saddam might have had the right idea in controlling the Iraqi people.

I think were going to have to think of a better way of killing more of them faster.
I dont see much hope in trying to civilize them.

We're not going to kill more faster. This is America. We don't kill innocent people just because we don't like them. Or at least we didn't before George W. Bush was president.

"civilize" them? What an arrogant statement! That region of the world is the heart of civilization, where your religion was born! The US is not the first country to come into the region thinking they can set up a puppet government and rule the area. We'll leave just as all the others did. It's just a question of how many more Americans will die before we get a president willing to make that move. Let's talk now about the shape of the conference table instead of waiting for later. :roll:
 

RoperAB

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Econ101 said:
RoperAB said:
Well that sounds like a bunch of sugar coated political stuff.
Were talking about religous crack pots who use there own women and children for human shields.
Just my oppinion but I think Saddam had to make it appear that he had more weapons than he did just to maintain his own power over his own people. They only seem to understand force. Im starting to think that a lot of the stuff he did he had to do just to maintain power. Actually they all seem like a bunch of wired up fanatical nut jobs over there.
I think were going to have to think of a better way of killing more of them faster.
I dont see much hope in trying to civilize them.

Such a diplomat, Roper.

haha Well I know talk like that really gets Diss wound up so I cant resist!
But really I do believe it. Well to a certain point.
I actually worked for a guy from Iraq years ago. This guy was athiest and hated the government in Iraq.
He actually seemed like a good guy. I mean he was a normal human being and a good business man, etc.
He actually hired me for PR because he thought his Iraq background would hurt him so he hired me to deal with the public. I actually liked the guy.
But then on the other hand if you look at the hysterical fanatics that are in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon<hezbullah> they just seem like a completely different race of people. I think its the militant religeon that has them so wound up?
But then I look at nations like Kuwait and then I think there is hope for them.
Really I think we need advice and input from Arabs that are actually not fanatics. I just dont understand the mindset of them over there. Im thinking most of us in the west dont really understand the culture.
Im trying to understand them but the more I reseach the less sence it makes.
Why is Afghanistan such a success?
Like the people in Persia<Iraq/Iran> just dont seem to be thinking rationally.
In Iraq alone you have kurds/sunnies/shiites. They all hate one another, plus they hate the Jews, plus all the rest of the world.
Maybe another approach would be to split Iraq into three different nations? Maybe this would make them happy?
You see here is the thing. Just what in the hell do these people want? What will make them happy except for total world domination?
They dont want to be just left alone. Thats the problem.
 

Econ101

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RoperAB said:
Econ101 said:
RoperAB said:
Well that sounds like a bunch of sugar coated political stuff.
Were talking about religous crack pots who use there own women and children for human shields.
Just my oppinion but I think Saddam had to make it appear that he had more weapons than he did just to maintain his own power over his own people. They only seem to understand force. Im starting to think that a lot of the stuff he did he had to do just to maintain power. Actually they all seem like a bunch of wired up fanatical nut jobs over there.
I think were going to have to think of a better way of killing more of them faster.
I dont see much hope in trying to civilize them.

Such a diplomat, Roper.

haha Well I know talk like that really gets Diss wound up so I cant resist!
But really I do believe it. Well to a certain point.
I actually worked for a guy from Iraq years ago. This guy was athiest and hated the government in Iraq.
He actually seemed like a good guy. I mean he was a normal human being and a good business man, etc.
He actually hired me for PR because he thought his Iraq background would hurt him so he hired me to deal with the public. I actually liked the guy.
But then on the other hand if you look at the hysterical fanatics that are in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon<hezbullah> they just seem like a completely different race of people. I think its the militant religeon that has them so wound up?
But then I look at nations like Kuwait and then I think there is hope for them.
Really I think we need advice and input from Arabs that are actually not fanatics. I just dont understand the mindset of them over there. Im thinking most of us in the west dont really understand the culture.
Im trying to understand them but the more I reseach the less sence it makes.
Why is Afghanistan such a success?
Like the people in Persia<Iraq/Iran> just dont seem to be thinking rationally.
In Iraq alone you have kurds/sunnies/shiites. They all hate one another, plus they hate the Jews, plus all the rest of the world.
Maybe another approach would be to split Iraq into three different nations? Maybe this would make them happy?
You see here is the thing. Just what in the hell do these people want? What will make them happy except for total world domination?
They dont want to be just left alone. Thats the problem.

They are not all into "world domination". Bush and his group is more that way than most muslims. You will be able to fanatacize some segment of the population all the time. Hitler did it.

The problem is it just doesn't work. Ask the russians. Stalin did exactly what you propose of killing opposition, and so did Mao. These are short term "fixes" that don't really work anywhere but the short term. Even then they don't really work.

The thing about democracy is that it is supposed to allow individuals to determine which options are the best for them and to achieve those options in a non violent way. The Iraqis and others must be allowed to do this. There is almost always a power control freak who wants to grab the power and make these decisions. They are all over the middle east. Lebanon was the closest to "democracy" and even then had these theocratic religious forces at work in the Shiite community.

In our own country George Washington gave his leadership after his first term to start our country on that path of rule by law, not by individual. It was one of the greatest gifts a leader gave to a country.

GW Bush is going the opposite way.
 

RoperAB

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<The problem is it just doesn't work. Ask the russians. Stalin did exactly what you propose of killing opposition, and so did Mao. These are short term "fixes" that don't really work anywhere but the short term. Even then they don't really work. >
Stalin was crazy, he killed enemys that wernt even there. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
What we are talking about is a bunch of religous fanatics who are hell bent on destroying us. Its this mindset that I dont know how we are going to change. This is why I see nothing but war with us killing them because if we dont then they are going to kill us. Its not like we can just pull out of there and everything is going to be all right :roll:
If you want to compare them to something compare them to pre war Japan only way more crude with a fanatical religeon behind them that leaves them hell bent on self destruction.
Actually they make the Japanesse seem resonable.
 

Tumbleweed

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RoperAB said:
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What we are talking about is a bunch of religous fanatics who are hell bent on destroying us. Its this mindset that I dont know how we are going to change. ]

Hey Roper I read a quote by Ann Coulter that went something like this when she was refering to the Arab countries and how to solve the problems there. "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to christianity". I've thought about that for awhile and it might work if Israel was added to the list and they were all converted to christianity. Just one less thing to fight about :wink:
 

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