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nonothing

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Tam since you seem to know it all about Canada's terrible health care I find you the best person to ask these questions too..

If goverment was not involved in health care.who would own our hospitals?...

Who would pay the doctors and nurses salaries?

who would buy the needed equipment to maintain a level of satisfaction.?

Would hospitals have to become money makesr,as I could not imagine anyone wanting to own a hospital that loses money...

If hospitals were privately owned would it cost the public more then it does now for them to get medical help?

Would big companies pay for the best doctors or the cheapest ones so as to maintain a healtheir profiet?

Would they even put hospitals in rural Canada if the number of people was below the break even line?

Tam Feel free to elaborate on hospitals for profit in Canada..
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Who owned the hospitals in Canada before medicare?

Lots of times it was the community. Right now the community of Radville Sk. is raising money for a new health center so the husband and wife team of doctors have a good place to dispense health care to their over 6,000 patients. They are serving probably a 60-80 mile radius.
 

nonothing

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Who owned the hospitals in Canada before medicare?

Lots of times it was the community. Right now the community of Radville Sk. is raising money for a new health center so the husband and wife team of doctors have a good place to dispense health care to their over 6,000 patients. They are serving probably a 60-80 mile radius.

And you think thats the answer?....will they have MRI machines and able to perfrom all operations in these community health centers,from hip replacements to eye surgerys?.......
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Who owned the hospitals in Canada before medicare?

Lots of times it was the community. Right now the community of Radville Sk. is raising money for a new health center so the husband and wife team of doctors have a good place to dispense health care to their over 6,000 patients. They are serving probably a 60-80 mile radius.

And you think thats the answer?....will they have MRI machines and able to perfrom all operations in these community health centers,from hip replacements to eye surgerys?.......

America has more MRI machines per capita than Canada and they are not bought by the Government. What makes you think Canada could not do the same?

Do you think the Government is the only answer to all problems? :roll:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Who owned the hospitals in Canada before medicare?

Lots of times it was the community. Right now the community of Radville Sk. is raising money for a new health center so the husband and wife team of doctors have a good place to dispense health care to their over 6,000 patients. They are serving probably a 60-80 mile radius.

And you think thats the answer?....will they have MRI machines and able to perfrom all operations in these community health centers,from hip replacements to eye surgerys?.......

America has more MRI machines per capita than Canada and they are not bought by the Government. What makes you think Canada could not do the same?

Do you think the Government is the only answer to all problems? :roll:

I asked a few questions of Tam and I get a guy like you who has no clue of anything Canadian.......I guess I will have do what soapweed does and spell it out for you not to post when the thread is tittled..."For Tam"......At least show her the respect to answer first...Your such a post hog.. :wink: ..lol.......
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Who owned the hospitals in Canada before medicare?

Lots of times it was the community. Right now the community of Radville Sk. is raising money for a new health center so the husband and wife team of doctors have a good place to dispense health care to their over 6,000 patients. They are serving probably a 60-80 mile radius.

And you think thats the answer?....will they have MRI machines and able to perfrom all operations in these community health centers,from hip replacements to eye surgerys?.......

Tam was away today so I didn't want you to get impatient,She will be back.

Plentywood MT a community of 2,000 plus sparsely populated surrounding area does about as many procedures as hospital in communities ten times the size in Saskatchewan. And you can walk in or be carried in and get a MRI in minutes.
 

per

Well-known member
Sorry to butt in Nono, while you wait for Tam a question for you. How many private MRI's in Canada compared to public ones are there?
 

nonothing

Well-known member
per said:
Sorry to butt in Nono, while you wait for Tam a question for you. How many private MRI's in Canada compared to public ones are there?

I will wait for Tam to answer...then go from there...
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
And you think thats the answer?....will they have MRI machines and able to perfrom all operations in these community health centers,from hip replacements to eye surgerys?.......

America has more MRI machines per capita than Canada and they are not bought by the Government. What makes you think Canada could not do the same?

Do you think the Government is the only answer to all problems? :roll:

I asked a few questions of Tam and I get a guy like you who has no clue of anything Canadian.......I guess I will have do what soapweed does and spell it out for you not to post when the thread is tittled..."For Tam"......At least show her the respect to answer first...Your such a post hog.. :wink: ..lol.......

When you have private question for Tam feel free to hit that PM button at the bottom of the page! Otherwise when you post a message public expect all of us to reply to it if we so choose!

And like I have said before, feel free to exercise you right to shut up any time you wish in regards my post! And I will exercise my right to post in a public form any time I wish! But I will promise you this, if you PM Tam I will not reply to that PM, see how simple it is when you follow the rules?

:roll:
 

alice

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
America has more MRI machines per capita than Canada and they are not bought by the Government. What makes you think Canada could not do the same?

Do you think the Government is the only answer to all problems? :roll:

I asked a few questions of Tam and I get a guy like you who has no clue of anything Canadian.......I guess I will have do what soapweed does and spell it out for you not to post when the thread is tittled..."For Tam"......At least show her the respect to answer first...Your such a post hog.. :wink: ..lol.......

When you have private question for Tam feel free to hit that PM button at the bottom of the page! Otherwise when you post a message public expect all of us to reply to it if we so choose!

And like I have said before, feel free to exercise you right to shut up any time you wish in regards my post! And I will exercise my right to post in a public form any time I wish! But I will promise you this, if you PM Tam I will not reply to that PM, see how simple it is when you follow the rules?

:roll:

Nonothing,

Pay no never mind...this is the only place Aplus thinks he has a chance of getting any respect. Gracious good luck to you, Aplus... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Alice
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
alice said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I asked a few questions of Tam and I get a guy like you who has no clue of anything Canadian.......I guess I will have do what soapweed does and spell it out for you not to post when the thread is tittled..."For Tam"......At least show her the respect to answer first...Your such a post hog.. :wink: ..lol.......

When you have private question for Tam feel free to hit that PM button at the bottom of the page! Otherwise when you post a message public expect all of us to reply to it if we so choose!

And like I have said before, feel free to exercise you right to shut up any time you wish in regards my post! And I will exercise my right to post in a public form any time I wish! But I will promise you this, if you PM Tam I will not reply to that PM, see how simple it is when you follow the rules?

:roll:

Nonothing,

Pay no never mind...this is the only place Aplus thinks he has a chance of getting any respect. Gracious good luck to you, Aplus... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Alice

So you are encouraging him to use the public forum for his private messages between him and Tam? And none of us are suppose to post replies to it?

Ps. Why you breaking the rules and posting on nonothings private thread! Bad girl!

:roll:
 

Tam

Well-known member
I'm BACK

nonothing said:
Tam since you seem to know it all about Canada's terrible health care I find you the best person to ask these questions too..

If goverment was not involved in health care.who would own our hospitals?...
The COMMUNITY or a Private Business, Ask yourself nonothing What private business is run with the same waste as you find in anything the government runs, and survives? If the Community owns the hospital don't you think they are going to make sure it is taken care of, as it is THEIR HEALTH AT RISK.

Who would pay the doctors and nurses salaries?
I would guess from the fees they charge the people getting service at said hospital.

who would buy the needed equipment to maintain a level of satisfaction.?
I just hear that the General Hospital in Regina is raising funds for patient monitors for their hospital so what would be the different if it was community owned. Fund raising is being done now in Canada for equipment. If it was Private owned, any good business manager knows that you have to charge a fee that covers the cost of providing a service. If that service needs equipment then that cost will be included in the fee they charge just like the fee they have to have to pay the Doctors and nurses. http://www.hrfhomelottery.com/winners/winpage.php

Would hospitals have to become money makesr,as I could not imagine anyone wanting to own a hospital that loses money?
Yes businesses are meant to make profits for god sake I think that if Canadian hospitals had to run like a business, they would become alot more efficient but as long as they are paid for by our tax dollars they can waste money just like the rest of the government does.

If hospitals were privately owned would it cost the public more then it does now for them to get medical help?
By MORE do you mean more money or more PAIN The problem with Canada is people seem to think our health care is FREE. But it isn't, it is paid for with hugh tax bills, Another problem is in some cases you don't even get what you have paid for with that hugh manditory tax bill, some have to mortgage their homes and go to the US to get the treatment to save their lives. BTW YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR nonothing.

Would big companies pay for the best doctors or the cheapest ones so as to maintain a healtheir profiet?
The Big Companies are paying the best now the problem is they are not businesses IN CANADA. Why do you think we have a doctor shortage? and guess who our government is paying so they can claim they pay less for health care than the US.

Would they even put hospitals in rural Canada if the number of people was below the break even line?
What would be the difference we don't have hospitals in Rural Sask now. we have health clinics that have to refer patients to larger hospitals in the cities for everything now. If they do draw blood on you, it takes a week to get the results as the sample has to be sent to the city for testing.

Tam Feel free to elaborate on hospitals for profit in Canada..
Well I'd guess there aren't many hospitals that make a profit in Canada because I can only quess they are about as efficent as any other arm of the Government. But in other juridictions they seem to beable to set a pay scale for fees so they can provide the services required at a cost people can pay and still stay in business. Gee I think this is how it is done in the US Why don't you think it would work here?
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Tam said:
I'm BACK

nonothing said:
Tam since you seem to know it all about Canada's terrible health care I find you the best person to ask these questions too..

If goverment was not involved in health care.who would own our hospitals?...
The COMMUNITY or a Private Business, Ask yourself nonothing What private business is run with the same waste as you find in anything the government runs, and survives? If the Community owns the hospital don't you think they are going to make sure it is taken care of, as it is THEIR HEALTH AT RISK.

No i think profit would out wiegh quality..just like a bank even the ink in the pens will be a cost to you.....

Who would pay the doctors and nurses salaries?
I would guess from the fees they charge the people getting service at said hospital.

Right so a busier hospital would charge less then a rual medi center as number of visits would be much higher...Cost just to have heat,light and water would bankrupt smaller centers....

who would buy the needed equipment to maintain a level of satisfaction.?
I just hear that the General Hospital in Regina is raising funds for patient monitors for their hospital so what would be the different if it was community owned. Fund raising is being done now in Canada for equipment. If it was Private owned, any good business manager knows that you have to charge a fee that covers the cost of providing a service. If that service needs equipment then that cost will be included in the fee they charge just like the fee they have to have to pay the Doctors and nurses. http://www.hrfhomelottery.com/winners/winpage.php

yes I understand that charity is part and parcel with goverment funds,but it will not be enough on its own....If you need to fly to regina cause your to sick to drive.who pays,you?..

Would hospitals have to become money makesr,as I could not imagine anyone wanting to own a hospital that loses money?
Yes businesses are meant to make profits for god sake I think that if Canadian hospitals had to run like a business, they would become alot more efficient but as long as they are paid for by our tax dollars they can waste money just like the rest of the government does.

What makes them ineffient now?...what more can be done to make them more effient...Less pay for doctors maybe?More rooms but no one can afford to use them?

If hospitals were privately owned would it cost the public more then it does now for them to get medical help?
By MORE do you mean more money or more PAIN The problem with Canada is people seem to think our health care is FREE. But it isn't, it is paid for with hugh tax bills, Another problem is in some cases you don't even get what you have paid for with that hugh manditory tax bill, some have to mortgage their homes and go to the US to get the treatment to save their lives. BTW YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR nonothing.

Yes I understand that but to privatise the health industry would then make it impossible for sick Canadians to afford health care.Recieving quality care would go out the window and the price of mediction would skyrocket....Any senior would be stuck paying for 100% pharmacutical products that they just can not afford.........the number one thing in business is profit ,the more the better.You think care will be at the forefront,you are fooling yourself...

Would big companies pay for the best doctors or the cheapest ones so as to maintain a healtheir profiet?
The Big Companies are paying the best now the problem is they are not businesses IN CANADA. Why do you think we have a doctor shortage? and guess who our government is paying so they can claim they pay less for health care than the US.

I happen to think My GP is a fantastic doctor and if he charged more he could but he would see less people and therfore make less money...

Would they even put hospitals in rural Canada if the number of people was below the break even line?
What would be the difference we don't have hospitals in Rural Sask now. we have health clinics that have to refer patients to larger hospitals in the cities for everything now. If they do draw blood on you, it takes a week to get the results as the sample has to be sent to the city for testing.

So your saying if you had to pay for the blood to be shipped to another place and back it would be faster...I do not see how lab work can go any faster ...All your doing is paying more for it to be done....

Tam Feel free to elaborate on hospitals for profit in Canada..
Well I'd guess there aren't many hospitals that make a profit in Canada because I can only quess they are about as efficent as any other arm of the Government. But in other juridictions they seem to beable to set a pay scale for fees so they can provide the services required at a cost people can pay and still stay in business. Gee I think this is how it is done in the US Why don't you think it would work here?

because it is not working there in my opinion..If companies stopped paying health care benifits to their employees in America....What would happen then?......The health care of America is on the back of big business,without that perk,most folks would be screwed.....As I said people complain about big corperate taxes,but not one of those same folks complain about the cost of employee benifits put on that same overly taxed business......
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
I'm BACK

nonothing said:
Tam since you seem to know it all about Canada's terrible health care I find you the best person to ask these questions too..

If goverment was not involved in health care.who would own our hospitals?...
The COMMUNITY or a Private Business, Ask yourself nonothing What private business is run with the same waste as you find in anything the government runs, and survives? If the Community owns the hospital don't you think they are going to make sure it is taken care of, as it is THEIR HEALTH AT RISK.

No i think profit would out wiegh quality..just like a bank even the ink in the pens will be a cost to you.....

Who would pay the doctors and nurses salaries?
I would guess from the fees they charge the people getting service at said hospital.

Right so a busier hospital would charge less then a rual medi center as number of visits would be much higher...Cost just to have heat,light and water would bankrupt smaller centers....

who would buy the needed equipment to maintain a level of satisfaction.?
I just hear that the General Hospital in Regina is raising funds for patient monitors for their hospital so what would be the different if it was community owned. Fund raising is being done now in Canada for equipment. If it was Private owned, any good business manager knows that you have to charge a fee that covers the cost of providing a service. If that service needs equipment then that cost will be included in the fee they charge just like the fee they have to have to pay the Doctors and nurses. http://www.hrfhomelottery.com/winners/winpage.php

yes I understand that charity is part and parcel with goverment funds,but it will not be enough on its own....If you need to fly to regina cause your to sick to drive.who pays,you?..

Would hospitals have to become money makesr,as I could not imagine anyone wanting to own a hospital that loses money?
Yes businesses are meant to make profits for god sake I think that if Canadian hospitals had to run like a business, they would become alot more efficient but as long as they are paid for by our tax dollars they can waste money just like the rest of the government does.

What makes them ineffient now?...what more can be done to make them more effient...Less pay for doctors maybe?More rooms but no one can afford to use them?

If hospitals were privately owned would it cost the public more then it does now for them to get medical help?
By MORE do you mean more money or more PAIN The problem with Canada is people seem to think our health care is FREE. But it isn't, it is paid for with hugh tax bills, Another problem is in some cases you don't even get what you have paid for with that hugh manditory tax bill, some have to mortgage their homes and go to the US to get the treatment to save their lives. BTW YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR nonothing.

Yes I understand that but to privatise the health industry would then make it impossible for sick Canadians to afford health care.Recieving quality care would go out the window and the price of mediction would skyrocket....Any senior would be stuck paying for 100% pharmacutical products that they just can not afford.........the number one thing in business is profit ,the more the better.You think care will be at the forefront,you are fooling yourself...

Would big companies pay for the best doctors or the cheapest ones so as to maintain a healtheir profiet?
The Big Companies are paying the best now the problem is they are not businesses IN CANADA. Why do you think we have a doctor shortage? and guess who our government is paying so they can claim they pay less for health care than the US.

I happen to think My GP is a fantastic doctor and if he charged more he could but he would see less people and therfore make less money...

Would they even put hospitals in rural Canada if the number of people was below the break even line?
What would be the difference we don't have hospitals in Rural Sask now. we have health clinics that have to refer patients to larger hospitals in the cities for everything now. If they do draw blood on you, it takes a week to get the results as the sample has to be sent to the city for testing.

So your saying if you had to pay for the blood to be shipped to another place and back it would be faster...I do not see how lab work can go any faster ...All your doing is paying more for it to be done....

Tam Feel free to elaborate on hospitals for profit in Canada..
Well I'd guess there aren't many hospitals that make a profit in Canada because I can only quess they are about as efficent as any other arm of the Government. But in other juridictions they seem to beable to set a pay scale for fees so they can provide the services required at a cost people can pay and still stay in business. Gee I think this is how it is done in the US Why don't you think it would work here?

because it is not working there in my opinion..If companies stopped paying health care benifits to their employees in America....What would happen then?......The health care of America is on the back of big business,without that perk,most folks would be screwed.....As I said people complain about big corperate taxes,but not one of those same folks complain about the cost of employee benifits put on that same overly taxed business......

Employees in America provide Health Insurance as a perk. My wife is a Respiratory therapist her position is in demand. If the company she works for that does home health care quit providing insurance then she would go get a job at a hospital or some other place that provided it. Her employer provides it as a draw to get employees and good ones.

By the same token I have a business and do not provide Health Insurance to my employees. And at times I suffer through less quality employees.

No one makes employers care this load they do it to attract good employees. But that may change under Obama!
 

hopalong

Well-known member
nonothing said:
per said:
Sorry to butt in Nono, while you wait for Tam a question for you. How many private MRI's in Canada compared to public ones are there?

I will wait for Tam to answer...then go from there...

Translation for he/she hasn't a clue!!! :wink: :wink:
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
hopalong said:
nonothing said:
per said:
Sorry to butt in Nono, while you wait for Tam a question for you. How many private MRI's in Canada compared to public ones are there?

I will wait for Tam to answer...then go from there...

Translation for he/she hasn't a clue!!! :wink: :wink:

No, he means that this post was for Tam, and he is waiting for her to answer. It is a fairly simple concept.
 

Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
I'm BACK

nonothing said:
Tam since you seem to know it all about Canada's terrible health care I find you the best person to ask these questions too..

If goverment was not involved in health care.who would own our hospitals?...
The COMMUNITY or a Private Business, Ask yourself nonothing What private business is run with the same waste as you find in anything the government runs, and survives? If the Community owns the hospital don't you think they are going to make sure it is taken care of, as it is THEIR HEALTH AT RISK.

No i think profit would out wiegh quality..just like a bank even the ink in the pens will be a cost to you.....

Who would pay the doctors and nurses salaries?
I would guess from the fees they charge the people getting service at said hospital.

Right so a busier hospital would charge less then a rual medi center as number of visits would be much higher...Cost just to have heat,light and water would bankrupt smaller centers....

who would buy the needed equipment to maintain a level of satisfaction.?
I just hear that the General Hospital in Regina is raising funds for patient monitors for their hospital so what would be the different if it was community owned. Fund raising is being done now in Canada for equipment. If it was Private owned, any good business manager knows that you have to charge a fee that covers the cost of providing a service. If that service needs equipment then that cost will be included in the fee they charge just like the fee they have to have to pay the Doctors and nurses. http://www.hrfhomelottery.com/winners/winpage.php

yes I understand that charity is part and parcel with goverment funds,but it will not be enough on its own....If you need to fly to regina cause your to sick to drive.who pays,you?..

Would hospitals have to become money makesr,as I could not imagine anyone wanting to own a hospital that loses money?
Yes businesses are meant to make profits for god sake I think that if Canadian hospitals had to run like a business, they would become alot more efficient but as long as they are paid for by our tax dollars they can waste money just like the rest of the government does.

What makes them ineffient now?...what more can be done to make them more effient...Less pay for doctors maybe?More rooms but no one can afford to use them?

If hospitals were privately owned would it cost the public more then it does now for them to get medical help?
By MORE do you mean more money or more PAIN The problem with Canada is people seem to think our health care is FREE. But it isn't, it is paid for with hugh tax bills, Another problem is in some cases you don't even get what you have paid for with that hugh manditory tax bill, some have to mortgage their homes and go to the US to get the treatment to save their lives. BTW YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR nonothing.

Yes I understand that but to privatise the health industry would then make it impossible for sick Canadians to afford health care.Recieving quality care would go out the window and the price of mediction would skyrocket....Any senior would be stuck paying for 100% pharmacutical products that they just can not afford.........the number one thing in business is profit ,the more the better.You think care will be at the forefront,you are fooling yourself...

Would big companies pay for the best doctors or the cheapest ones so as to maintain a healtheir profiet?
The Big Companies are paying the best now the problem is they are not businesses IN CANADA. Why do you think we have a doctor shortage? and guess who our government is paying so they can claim they pay less for health care than the US.

I happen to think My GP is a fantastic doctor and if he charged more he could but he would see less people and therfore make less money...

Would they even put hospitals in rural Canada if the number of people was below the break even line?
What would be the difference we don't have hospitals in Rural Sask now. we have health clinics that have to refer patients to larger hospitals in the cities for everything now. If they do draw blood on you, it takes a week to get the results as the sample has to be sent to the city for testing.

So your saying if you had to pay for the blood to be shipped to another place and back it would be faster...I do not see how lab work can go any faster ...All your doing is paying more for it to be done....

Tam Feel free to elaborate on hospitals for profit in Canada..
Well I'd guess there aren't many hospitals that make a profit in Canada because I can only quess they are about as efficent as any other arm of the Government. But in other juridictions they seem to beable to set a pay scale for fees so they can provide the services required at a cost people can pay and still stay in business. Gee I think this is how it is done in the US Why don't you think it would work here?

because it is not working there in my opinion.

Why should it matter what your opinion is about the US health Care system you don't seem to care about US citizens having an opinion on our Health care system? Maybe their OPINION is they would rather get treatment at a higher cost as to risk dieing on a WAITING LIST like we do here.

If companies stopped paying health care benifits to their employees in America....What would happen then?.. Since we are working with Opinions and not facts now, :wink: In my opinion the employees should take some of the money the employer is saving and buy their own insurance so they feel safe.

The health care of America is on the back of big business,without that perk,most folks would be screwed.. And you think it will not be on the backs of the rich and big businesses and small business Middle class and poor when Obama gets his way. :shock: The problem is that if the experts are right about the effect of Obamacare most folks are going to be screwed worse as some will LOOSE THE COVERAGE THEY HAVE and they will be looking at HIGHER TAXES TO PAY FOR RATIONED CARE AND WAITING LISTS JUST LIKE CANADA AND THE UK.


...As I said people complain about big corperate taxes,but not one of those same folks complain about the cost of employee benifits put on that same overly taxed business....Ok if the employer is getting hit now and that seems to bother you then why should they be getting hit with even HIGHER TAXES so they can pay for people THEY DON"T EMPLOY? :?..
 

Tam

Well-known member
Sorry I didn't see these comments so I will address them now.
"nonothing
No i think profit would out wiegh quality..just like a bank even the ink in the pens will be a cost to you.....
Again with the I think and In MY opinion. :roll: Nonothing look at what is happening in our system now, the GOVERNMENT is cutting the cost and by doing so they are affecting the QUALITY OF CARE. If a private business who was in competition with another hospital cut the quality of their care provided as much as this government has been forced to to keep down cost they would be out of business as nobody would walk through their doors as they would be going down the street to the better hospital just like Canadians are now going to the US for the care they need to save their lives. [/b]


Right so a busier hospital would charge less then a rual medi center as number of visits would be much higher...Cost just to have heat,light and water would bankrupt smaller centers....
Why are they busier Nonothing could it be they are the hospital that are providing the quality of care the patients want. If the smaller clinic want to survive they are going to have to COMPETE just like small business compete to grow and become bigger that's the FREE MARKET WORLD way. Problem with you socialists you don't want anyone to have to work to better themselves you just want to take from the rich to prop up the inefficient.


yes I understand that charity is part and parcel with government funds,but it will not be enough on its own....If you need to fly to regina cause your to sick to drive.who pays,you?..
First of all we don't fly as we do not have that option in Sask. :wink: But went I ride in and ambulance YES I pay, or at least my insurance company does as you see nonothing that is not part of our universal health care. It may be in BC and Alberta where Mrs Greg lives but not here in Sask where 1 million Sask citizens live. So much for UNIVERSAL CARE. Does our health care pay for people going to the US to get the treatment they need NO the patient is required to pay full amount for something that the Government here couldn't provide in time to save the persons life. IS that right, when the person already paid the tax bill that should have covered the cost of the treatment here in Canada??????? That person got hit twice and that doesn't seem to bother you but yet somebody in the US having to pay once for their health care sure seems to. :roll:


What makes them ineffient now?...what more can be done to make them more effient...Less pay for doctors maybe?More rooms but no one can afford to use them?
Since I have never seen the books of a hospital all I could give is my opinion but since that is all you work in is opinion here's mine. :wink: Take a long hard look at the government bureaucracy that we have running our system Would we need all those pencil pushers if we had Private run or Community run Health care. Just what do you think they cost compared to a few more good doctors and a few more beds filled with PAYING PATIENTS would cost?

Yes I understand that but to privatise the health industry would then make it impossible for sick Canadians to afford health care.Recieving quality care would go out the window and the price of mediction would skyrocket....Any senior would be stuck paying for 100% pharmacutical products that they just can not afford.........the number one thing in business is profit ,the more the better.You think care will be at the forefront,you are fooling yourself...
INSURANCE nonothing ever heard of it. Everyone needs to take care of themselves by buying insurance to cover all their health care needs . And you seem to forget One of the biggest problems we have is sick Canadians that are not getting the treatment they need and they have already PAID FOR IT :roll: They are going to the US and paying AGAIN can they afford that? Answer me nonothing you keep ducking this fact, can Canadians afford to pay TWICE for life saving health care treatment. BTW isn't not impossible to get care as it is provided to those who need it in the US and they don't have Universal health care.


I happen to think My GP is a fantastic doctor and if he charged more he could but he would see less people and therfore make less money...
If he is so fantastic why do you want to limit his pay scale? Don't you care about him as much as he apparently cares about you? :? My guess is that if he is so fantastic if he was charging a higher fee you might not pay it but one of the 4 million that don't have a doctor in Canada would pay for his services. Again nonothing you get what you pay for. And in a free market world if you don't pay someone will, that is supply and demand. I doubt the doctor would be making less he would be the winner. And we might see more doctors sticking around verses heading south where they can charge for the services they provide. :wink:
So your saying if you had to pay for the blood to be shipped to another place and back it would be faster...I do not see how lab work can go any faster ...All your doing is paying more for it to be done....
BINGO I have had the exact same test done in the US, had the test results back in about ten minutes and paid for ONE OFFICE VISIT , In Canada the blood it shipped away with a cost of shipping and handling, then results are sent back and I had to return to the doctor a week later to get the results which resulted in a second office visit to be charged to the Government. If I had been working in an office somewhere I would have had to have a second day off to get the results which is an inconvenience to my employer. Which way was cost efficient nonothing, Ten minutes and one office visit charge or a week and time off for two office visits?
 

Tam

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Gee here I thought that when nonothing called me out to ask me a bunch of questions once I answered them then he would return the favor by answering mine. But here he is letting this thread he started to drop off the bottom without reply. I guess he really doesn't have any answers or facts to back his opinion. :wink: :lol:
 

nonothing

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Tam said:
Sorry I didn't see these comments so I will address them now.
"nonothing
No i think profit would out wiegh quality..just like a bank even the ink in the pens will be a cost to you.....
Again with the I think and In MY opinion. :roll: Nonothing look at what is happening in our system now, the GOVERNMENT is cutting the cost and by doing so they are affecting the QUALITY OF CARE. If a private business who was in competition with another hospital cut the quality of their care provided as much as this government has been forced to to keep down cost they would be out of business as nobody would walk through their doors as they would be going down the street to the better hospital just like Canadians are now going to the US for the care they need to save their lives. [/b]

Why would anyone want their health care handled by a big business mentality...Boittom line dollar not,care will always be the answer...They just built a big brand new regional hospital and cancer hospital here in BC ...If they were cutting cost why the new hospital?....And it is huge....


Right so a busier hospital would charge less then a rual medi center as number of visits would be much higher...Cost just to have heat,light and water would bankrupt smaller centers....
Why are they busier Nonothing could it be they are the hospital that are providing the quality of care the patients want. If the smaller clinic want to survive they are going to have to COMPETE just like small business compete to grow and become bigger that's the FREE MARKET WORLD way. Problem with you socialists you don't want anyone to have to work to better themselves you just want to take from the rich to prop up the inefficient.

The busier hospitals are busier Tam simply on population numbers around them,there are just more people that would need it,not because the hospital is any better..A small town hospital cannot maintain the same care as a city hospital because of shear volumes of those that could pay into each as a community based hospital....Why should a bigger community pay for smaller community users if thats how hospitals are funded......and if you pay your small health center community fees yet need to be sent else where,should you not be charged more for your stay at the city hospital as you have not paid a cent to use that facilty under the community owned you are now on plan?


yes I understand that charity is part and parcel with government funds,but it will not be enough on its own....If you need to fly to regina cause your to sick to drive.who pays,you?..
First of all we don't fly as we do not have that option in Sask. :wink: But went I ride in and ambulance YES I pay, or at least my insurance company does as you see nonothing that is not part of our universal health care. It may be in BC and Alberta where Mrs Greg lives but not here in Sask where 1 million Sask citizens live. So much for UNIVERSAL CARE. Does our health care pay for people going to the US to get the treatment they need NO the patient is required to pay full amount for something that the Government here couldn't provide in time to save the persons life. IS that right, when the person already paid the tax bill that should have covered the cost of the treatment here in Canada??????? That person got hit twice and that doesn't seem to bother you but yet somebody in the US having to pay once for their health care sure seems to. :roll:

Yes our health care will pay if a doctor sends them to the usa for medical assitance...Well Tam I would suggest to you ,before you go down to the USA on your death bed like so many around you must be.try comming to bc and show up to emergency and they will take you in and save your life ...If you are to sick to go on,you will be taken care of here...Over the millions of positive stories our sytems creates everyday,I guess i should not be surprised that a few sad stories still happen along the way....Yes thats not fair and hopefully it one day will have no sad stories....


What makes them ineffient now?...what more can be done to make them more effient...Less pay for doctors maybe?More rooms but no one can afford to use them?
Since I have never seen the books of a hospital all I could give is my opinion but since that is all you work in is opinion here's mine. :wink: Take a long hard look at the government bureaucracy that we have running our system Would we need all those pencil pushers if we had Private run or Community run Health care. Just what do you think they cost compared to a few more good doctors and a few more beds filled with PAYING PATIENTS would cost?

You would have less beds and more decisions about saving lifes in the hands of board members then doctors....Profit would become number one.Care would become secondary..More work for less people ,causing more errors .The poor would become sicker,the spread of decease would run rampant and prifit hospitals would do nothing to stop th
Yes I understand that but to privatise the health industry would then make it impossible for sick Canadians to afford health care.Recieving quality care would go out the window and the price of mediction would skyrocket....Any senior would be stuck paying for 100% pharmacutical products that they just can not afford.........the number one thing in business is profit ,the more the better.You think care will be at the forefront,you are fooling yourself...
INSURANCE nonothing ever heard of it. Everyone needs to take care of themselves by buying insurance to cover all their health care needs . And you seem to forget One of the biggest problems we have is sick Canadians that are not getting the treatment they need and they have already PAID FOR IT :roll: They are going to the US and paying AGAIN can they afford that? Answer me nonothing you keep ducking this fact, can Canadians afford to pay TWICE for life saving health care treatment. BTW isn't not impossible to get care as it is provided to those who need it in the US and they don't have Universal health care.

You talk about goverment pencil pushers try sorting through a pleathra of insurance companies every day...Hospital papper work would rise a 100% and they would charge for the pencil pushing time...Plus any precondtioned person would in some cases not even quailfy for insurance or be forced to pay higher costs,thats not fair to a little child with asthma...
Goverment subsidizes pentioners medication under our system the elderly would have to pay for their own medication under big business rule.....


I happen to think My GP is a fantastic doctor and if he charged more he could but he would see less people and therfore make less money...
If he is so fantastic why do you want to limit his pay scale? Don't you care about him as much as he apparently cares about you? :? My guess is that if he is so fantastic if he was charging a higher fee you might not pay it but one of the 4 million that don't have a doctor in Canada would pay for his services. Again nonothing you get what you pay for. And in a free market world if you don't pay someone will, that is supply and demand. I doubt the doctor would be making less he would be the winner. And we might see more doctors sticking around verses heading south where they can charge for the services they provide. :wink:
No as most patients would not be able to pay his costs they,would not go in.......They would wait till they got sick enough and the go to hospital.....Gp's would become a thing of the past..the middle would become elminated as there would be zero money for it to survive...


So your saying if you had to pay for the blood to be shipped to another place and back it would be faster...I do not see how lab work can go any faster ...All your doing is paying more for it to be done....
BINGO I have had the exact same test done in the US, had the test results back in about ten minutes and paid for ONE OFFICE VISIT , In Canada the blood it shipped away with a cost of shipping and handling, then results are sent back and I had to return to the doctor a week later to get the results which resulted in a second office visit to be charged to the Government. If I had been working in an office somewhere I would have had to have a second day off to get the results which is an inconvenience to my employer. Which way was cost efficient nonothing, Ten minutes and one office visit charge or a week and time off for two office visits?

Well here its two days till you can go back back for the results and you are only called if there is an issue,so going back is not an un needed visit.....I happen to know personally that getting to a speacilist when it is vastly important to see them you can get in the same day if need.
 
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