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Goodpasture

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They never heard of Lilith......if you don't read anything except what you have to, to be accepted by the pew fillers, you don't get to understand much about anything else anywhere else.

Hey guys, try googling "Adam and Lilith" see ifyou can find it in some of the old Hebrew texts and stories.....stuff that Esubius and Constantine didn't think was appropriate to mention.
 

P Joe

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Believe what you want. Sounds to me like mostly Jewish forklore, or the start of vampires. However you want to look at it. Below is the best few paragraphs I found that explain both views.

Lilith is believed by some to be the first wife of Adam, a woman who existed prior to the creation of Eve. The story basically states that Adam and Lilith were each created from dust. Lilith’s dust was dirtier than Adam’s. When Adam approached her for the purpose of having sex, Lilith refused to be subservient to him, questioning why she should be made to lie beneath him. When Adam attempted to force her, she called upon the secret name of God and fled from Eden to the banks of the Red Sea. There, she mated with demons and gave birth to demons until God sent three angels to make her return to Adam.

Lilith claimed that due to the things she had done since leaving him she could not return to Adam. The angels told her that if she did not return to Adam, she would die. Again Lilith argued, stating that she had been created immortal, a being which could not die. The angels then told Lilith that one hundred of her children would be slain for each day that she refused to return to Adam. In response, Lilith vowed to kill one unprotected child for every one of her children that was destroyed. An arrangement was reached and God created Eve for Adam while Lilith became the first vampire and slipped into the role of being Queen of the Demons, alternately seducing men and eating children, and making guest appearances throughout history.

Those who have read the Bible, however, may know that there is no mention of any such person as Lilith in the book of Genesis, although she is mentioned in the book of Isaiah (34:14). There is also no mention of Adam ever having had a first wife. Delving a bit deeper, one may discover a Lilith mentioned in the Midrash. Further investigation will show the recurrence of the tale of the first wife of Adam in the Talmud. For those who are unfamiliar with these books, the Midrash is a collection of Hebrew legends, and the Talmud is a Hebrew text, written by rabbis as a type of written interpretation of oral traditions associated with the Torah. The Old Testament of the Bible is essentially the Christian version of the Torah and therefore the Torah and its associated books become a good resource for researching Biblical mythology.

In returning to our topic, we see repeated in the Midrash the belief that Adam had a wife before Eve. Lilith is never named as this first wife. She is However, mentioned four times in the Talmud as a longhaired demon. Since this is the form that Adams first wife is reported to have taken after leaving him, we can reasonably assume that the two myths have become intertwined over time, making Lilith the first wife of Adam. The belief that Adam had a first wife at all is based on the fact that the creation of man and woman is described twice in the story of creation. The first description, “as man and woman He created them,” varies greatly from the second description, “God formed man from the dust... and the Lord fashioned into a woman the rib, which He had taken from the man.” The reasoning of the rabbis who wrote the Midrash was that the variations in the two descriptions meant that they were actually related to two separate incidents. It is important to note however, that this line of reasoning is flawed by two major arguments.

The first of these arguments is the fact that each of these descriptions tells not only of the creation of a woman, but also of a man. If the rabbis had been correct in reaching their conclusion, then one must assume that God did not merely create one man and two women. The implication would be that God created two women and two men. The second argument involves the fact that both descriptions of creation also explain the populating by God of a planet with plants and animals. To follow the thinking of the rabbis, one must in fact accept the theory that God created not only two men and two women, but also two entire planets, each containing oceans, rivers and atmospheres, and each thriving with life.

So where did the story of Lilith come from and how did it come to be so closely related to the story of creation? The answer to that question comes in understanding a bit about the early Hebrews. The Hebrews believed that their god was the one true God and that all other gods worshipped by their neighboring nations were in fact demons. They incorporated this belief into their teachings by associating the gods of other nations with demons in their own religion. It is in this manner that the Babylonian god Baal becomes Baalzbub (or Beelzebub). The same is true of Lilith. She is not in herself a character relevant to Judaism; she is a fragment of other religions, which was incorporated into Judaic tradition to give name to a demon created out of the misunderstanding of the two parts of the story of creation.
 

Goodpasture

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and that was after I suggest folks google the subject.


I wonder, pj, did you read anything about how Eve, when she was trying to atone for eating the wrong fruit, blew her purification ceremony and ended up causing God to shut the gates to eden for all time?

One of the points this raises, is that the creation story in the Bible is NOT the totality of the creation story, but a part of it. The Biblical story of creation talks about Adams kids getting married and having families, but incest was a major taboo in the Hebrew faith......so where did the wives come from?
 

P Joe

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katrina said:
Way to go PJoe!!!!!!!! How's things looking in your part of South Dakota???

Not too bad. Crazy year, 1st we drown, then we bake, now the rain come-ith again. Should shape up to be a good year maybe :D
 

P Joe

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kolanuraven said:
He cut and pasted... :? :? :? :?

You just never have nothing nice to say do you? :???: :shock:

I cut and pasted what I thought best explained both views. I read a lot more than that. I don't have the time to type out 5 paragraphs. Have you never used google before to look up things??? Why curse me for it?
 

kolanuraven

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P Joe said:
kolanuraven said:
He cut and pasted... :? :? :? :?

You just never have nothing nice to say do you? :???: :shock:

I cut and pasted what I thought best explained both views. I read a lot more than that. I don't have the time to type out 5 paragraphs. Have you never used google before to look up things??? Why curse me for it?


I didn't curse you for it.

FYI:I'll use a lot of ###,@@@,!!!!,^^^,****'s when I curse!

It just seemed that some didn't realize that you HAD cut and pasted. I LOVE Google...helles belles I even got stock in that outfit...best move I EVER made.
 

P Joe

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Goodpasture said:
and that was after I suggest folks google the subject.

One of the points this raises, is that the creation story in the Bible is NOT the totality of the creation story, but a part of it. The Biblical story of creation talks about Adams kids getting married and having families, but incest was a major taboo in the Hebrew faith......so where did the wives come from?

Pretty impatient to wait an hour for an answer. When I looked at this thread, you and kola had already posted those things. Sorry that I have a life beyond a "internet" forum!

There are many books that were left out of the old testament. Why??? No one may never really know. If you follow logic and Science, The story of creation could never work, but neither could evolution. Simply because each one would have to had some form of incest. That is why everyone can believe what they want to.

Me, I don't believe that Adam had 2 wives. To me if you believe that, than that makes God faillible. And Relgion is based on the principle that God is infaillible. So.......... to believe in that idea, would be not believing in God.
 

P Joe

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katrina said:
Are you going to Mitchell the 21 to 23? :wink: My family wouldn't miss it... :roll: :D :D

I may find my way down that way. Might have to start cutting silage, We'll see how green things get after our recent weather.
 

cowgirl2u

Active member
:lol: :lol: :lol:

No, no. no. no. Lilith :twisted: was hard for Adam to forget --- "naughty" ones are, you know.

He was the first polygamist :shock: , along with being the first "everything else".

So he convinced Eve that they should invite Lilith into their family as a "sister wife", just to help Eve with the housework, of course. :wink:

Lilith's children and Eve's children married. So it was just "incest once removed". .... or would that be "half incest". :?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

kolanuraven

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cowgirl2u said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

No, no. no. no. Lilith :twisted: was hard for Adam to forget --- "naughty" ones are, you know.

He was the first polygamist :shock: , along with being the first "everything else".

So he convinced Eve that they should invite Lilith into their family as a "sister wife", just to help Eve with the housework, of course. :wink:

Lilith's children and Eve's children married. So it was just "incest once removed". .... or would that be "half incest". :?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Hey, very few get the marriage thing right the first time anyway!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

These folks could've been from GA!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Soapweed

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My child-like faith doesn't allow me to get blown away by garbage. I believe what the Bible says, period. I don't need or want additions or supplements that go above and beyond. All they do is confuse the issues. :)

Sometimes too much "educated knowledge" (and I use the term loosely) just muddies the water. :wink:
 
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