Tam said:Gibbs is saying the employer mandate is not going to go into affect and it is just a small part of the LAW OF THE LAND that will not change much if it is taken out!!!! :shock:
Conservatives Sowed Idea of Health Care Mandate, Only to Spurn It Later
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: February 14, 2012
It can be difficult to remember now, given the ferocity with which many Republicans assail it as an attack on freedom, but the provision in President Obama’s health care law requiring all Americans to buy health insurance has its roots in conservative thinking.
The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.
The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals — like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.
“In 1993, in fighting ‘Hillarycare,’ virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do,” Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, said at a debate in December, casting his past support of a mandate as an antidote to the health care overhaul proposed by Hillary Rodham Clinton during her husband’s administration.
Since then the politics of health care have grown more twisted and tangled than the two snakes entwined around the staff in a caduceus, which is sometimes used as a symbol of medicine. It is now Republicans and conservatives who oppose the individual mandate, arguing that it is unconstitutional, while Democrats, who were long resistant to it, are its biggest defenders.
Democratic health care analysts have been taken aback by the speed with which Republicans have made the individual mandate a symbol of socialist totalitarianism to much of their base.
“I noted the irony of a Republican idea being the source of Republican opposition,” said Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress, a liberal research group, who served in the Obama administration and as the policy director for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2008. And longtime supporters of the mandate, who for years had believed the biggest obstacle to enacting it was attracting Democratic support, saw Democrats become its last supporters. “It totally flipped,” said Peter Harbage, a health care analyst who has advised Democratic and Republican supporters of individual mandates.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/health/policy/health-care-mandate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html?_r=0
Mike said:Yea but............."you could keep your plan if you wanted to" and "you could keep your Doctor, if you wanted to".
Plus, old women wouldn't have been required to pay for maternity benefits......................
The list goes on. :roll:
Oldtimer said:Mike said:Yea but............."you could keep your plan if you wanted to" and "you could keep your Doctor, if you wanted to".
Plus, old women wouldn't have been required to pay for maternity benefits......................
The list goes on. :roll:
I never saw where the plan got that specific...Would you post the link for that info....
Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:Mike said:Yea but............."you could keep your plan if you wanted to" and "you could keep your Doctor, if you wanted to".
Plus, old women wouldn't have been required to pay for maternity benefits......................
The list goes on. :roll:
I never saw where the plan got that specific...Would you post the link for that info....
http://townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/2013/11/08/obamas-obamacare-lies-were-chronicled-from-the-beginning-n1742541/page/full
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama expressed opposition to a mandate requiring all Americans to buy health care insurance. In a Feb. 28, 2008, interview on the Ellen DeGeneres show, Obama sought to distinguish himself from then-candidate Hillary Clinton by saying, "Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care.
"She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it," Obama said. "So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn't."
In 2010, Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that put into place an individual mandate.
ranch hand said:During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama expressed opposition to a mandate requiring all Americans to buy health care insurance. In a Feb. 28, 2008, interview on the Ellen DeGeneres show, Obama sought to distinguish himself from then-candidate Hillary Clinton by saying, "Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care.
"She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it," Obama said. "So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn't."
In 2010, Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that put into place an individual mandate.
Mike said:You're not smart enough to know sarcasm when you see it? :roll:
Oldtimer said:Some folks call that lying.... :wink:
April 4, 2014
Boehner: “I Don’t Want to Live in a World Where Seven Million People Get Affordable Health Care”
Posted by Andy Borowitz
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—A riveting scene unfolded in Congress today as a tearful Speaker John Boehner took to the floor of the House to tell his colleagues, “I don’t want to live in a world where seven million people get affordable health care.”
Tears streaming down his cheeks, Rep. Boehner appeared unable to maintain his composure as he delivered a speech interrupted by blubbering and sharp intakes of breath.
“What kind of a world is it where anyone can go on the Internet and get health care they can afford?” he said. “Not a world I’d care to live in, or leave to my children.”
“It’s not right… and it’s not America,” he said, breaking down.
Later, dabbing his eyes, a still-sobbing Boehner apologized to reporters for “losing it up there.”
“I don’t like to get so emotional,” he said. “But when seven million people signed up for Obamacare, a part of me died.”
ranch hand said:OT is a typical democrat as he can't argue with facts so brings up race or some Borowitz guy to change the subject. We have had many democrats on this site and how many use Borowitz? Little OT and Big OT...who are the same or father and son.
This country is in deep trouble OT and you don't have the brains to see it.
This link is how your side is.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/04/02/rep-gowdy-doubles-down-says-pelosi-needs-to-see-mental-health-professional-video/