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Former WH talking head speaks up again

Tam

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Gibbs is saying the employer mandate is not going to go into affect and it is just a small part of the LAW OF THE LAND that will not change much if it is taken out!!!! :shock:
 

Mike

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They want ObamaCare to crash, then they can try for the single payer system that they really want.

We will officially be a Socialism then.............
 

Tam

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They could not get what they wanted in the first place and what they did get they had to LIE to everyone to get it passed on a complete partisan vote. Will any Dem facing the voters ever support a single payer, that they would not support with a super majority in both houses, after the voters witnessed just how screwed up the Big Government healthcare push worked out for the LYING Liberal left?
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Gibbs is saying the employer mandate is not going to go into affect and it is just a small part of the LAW OF THE LAND that will not change much if it is taken out!!!! :shock:

This follows the original Republican layout of the Health Care Mandate plan... In Nixons original plan there were both an individual and an employee mandate... In fact Nixons original plan put the employee mandate as the primary part....

Then the conservative Heritage Foundation and Republicans tweaked the plan and backpeddled some on the employee mandate and put an emphasis on the individual mandate to make everyone accept responsibility...
So if this is the direction it goes- it will be playing right into the conservatives original plan.... :wink:

Conservatives Sowed Idea of Health Care Mandate, Only to Spurn It Later

By MICHAEL COOPER

Published: February 14, 2012


It can be difficult to remember now, given the ferocity with which many Republicans assail it as an attack on freedom, but the provision in President Obama’s health care law requiring all Americans to buy health insurance has its roots in conservative thinking.

The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.

The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals — like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.

“In 1993, in fighting ‘Hillarycare,’ virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do,” Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, said at a debate in December, casting his past support of a mandate as an antidote to the health care overhaul proposed by Hillary Rodham Clinton during her husband’s administration.


Since then the politics of health care have grown more twisted and tangled than the two snakes entwined around the staff in a caduceus, which is sometimes used as a symbol of medicine. It is now Republicans and conservatives who oppose the individual mandate, arguing that it is unconstitutional, while Democrats, who were long resistant to it, are its biggest defenders.

Democratic health care analysts have been taken aback by the speed with which Republicans have made the individual mandate a symbol of socialist totalitarianism to much of their base.

“I noted the irony of a Republican idea being the source of Republican opposition,” said Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress, a liberal research group, who served in the Obama administration and as the policy director for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2008. And longtime supporters of the mandate, who for years had believed the biggest obstacle to enacting it was attracting Democratic support, saw Democrats become its last supporters. “It totally flipped,” said Peter Harbage, a health care analyst who has advised Democratic and Republican supporters of individual mandates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/health/policy/health-care-mandate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html?_r=0
 

Mike

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Yea but............."you could keep your plan if you wanted to" and "you could keep your Doctor, if you wanted to".

Plus, old women wouldn't have been required to pay for maternity benefits......................



The list goes on. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Yea but............."you could keep your plan if you wanted to" and "you could keep your Doctor, if you wanted to".

Plus, old women wouldn't have been required to pay for maternity benefits......................



The list goes on. :roll:

I never saw where the plan got that specific...Would you post the link for that info....
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Yea but............."you could keep your plan if you wanted to" and "you could keep your Doctor, if you wanted to".

Plus, old women wouldn't have been required to pay for maternity benefits......................



The list goes on. :roll:

I never saw where the plan got that specific...Would you post the link for that info....

http://townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/2013/11/08/obamas-obamacare-lies-were-chronicled-from-the-beginning-n1742541/page/full
 
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Anonymous

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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Yea but............."you could keep your plan if you wanted to" and "you could keep your Doctor, if you wanted to".

Plus, old women wouldn't have been required to pay for maternity benefits......................



The list goes on. :roll:

I never saw where the plan got that specific...Would you post the link for that info....

http://townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/2013/11/08/obamas-obamacare-lies-were-chronicled-from-the-beginning-n1742541/page/full

NO- I mean on the Republicans mandate plan.... I hadn't realized the Republicans had ever gotten so specific as Mike says...
Shows even more how great they thought the "mandate" idea was...
 

ranch hand

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During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama expressed opposition to a mandate requiring all Americans to buy health care insurance. In a Feb. 28, 2008, interview on the Ellen DeGeneres show, Obama sought to distinguish himself from then-candidate Hillary Clinton by saying, "Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care.

"She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it," Obama said. "So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn't."

In 2010, Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that put into place an individual mandate.
 

Tam

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ranch hand said:
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama expressed opposition to a mandate requiring all Americans to buy health care insurance. In a Feb. 28, 2008, interview on the Ellen DeGeneres show, Obama sought to distinguish himself from then-candidate Hillary Clinton by saying, "Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care.

"She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it," Obama said. "So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn't."

In 2010, Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that put into place an individual mandate.

Well in 2008 Obama also said this :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q

He said Bush was unpatriotic to put 4 trillion on the national debt in 8 years by going from 5 trillion to 9 trillion, what will it be when he leaves office, it is already over 17 trillion and he has 3 years left?

I guess the better question is, where is the outrage from the likes of Oldtimer, that b*tched about Bush's spending but is silent on Obama doubling down? Oh yea he hated Bush as he spent the money on wars approved and supported by the Dems. But then isn't Obama still in a war and didn't Obama give foreign aid to the Muslim Brotherhood that hates the US. ANd didn't Obama spent US money on invading Libya WITHOUT Congressional approval? But BUSH BAD OBAMA GOOD :roll:

Oh and just to save Oldtimer, Obama spent money on the US yep but what did he get for his money. NO SHOVEL READY JOBS AND A GLITCHED RIDDEN WEBSITE for a bill that a majority of Americans want repealed. GREAT USE OF TAX PAYER MONEY. BUT hey all his campaign donors are happy with their pay backs some with Tax Payer money and some with Ambassadorships to countries they have never visited before being appointed to them.

What I find COMICAL about Gibbs is he would have followed the White House talking point if he was still there just like Carney does everyday, but he is out from under Valerie Jarrett's thumb so now he is letting the truth slip out every once and awhile. He said the mandate will not survive and Carney is still pushing the idea it will not be delayed again and it will not be cut from the Bill. But if it was completely cut from the bill by Obama would that not be an impeachable offense since he is to enact the passed bill as written, delaying is one thing but taking the mandate completely out is quite another after fighting in the SCOTUS that it had to be in the bill to make the law work.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
You're not smart enough to know sarcasm when you see it? :roll:

So you were just making it up -eh? Some folks call that lying.... :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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April 4, 2014

Boehner: “I Don’t Want to Live in a World Where Seven Million People Get Affordable Health Care”

Posted by Andy Borowitz


WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—A riveting scene unfolded in Congress today as a tearful Speaker John Boehner took to the floor of the House to tell his colleagues, “I don’t want to live in a world where seven million people get affordable health care.”

Tears streaming down his cheeks, Rep. Boehner appeared unable to maintain his composure as he delivered a speech interrupted by blubbering and sharp intakes of breath.

“What kind of a world is it where anyone can go on the Internet and get health care they can afford?” he said. “Not a world I’d care to live in, or leave to my children.”


“It’s not right… and it’s not America,” he said, breaking down.

Later, dabbing his eyes, a still-sobbing Boehner apologized to reporters for “losing it up there.”

“I don’t like to get so emotional,” he said. “But when seven million people signed up for Obamacare, a part of me died.”
 

ranch hand

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OT is a typical democrat as he can't argue with facts so brings up race or some Borowitz guy to change the subject. We have had many democrats on this site and how many use Borowitz? Little OT and Big OT...who are the same or father and son.
This country is in deep trouble OT and you don't have the brains to see it.
This link is how your side is.

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/04/02/rep-gowdy-doubles-down-says-pelosi-needs-to-see-mental-health-professional-video/
 
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ranch hand said:
OT is a typical democrat as he can't argue with facts so brings up race or some Borowitz guy to change the subject. We have had many democrats on this site and how many use Borowitz? Little OT and Big OT...who are the same or father and son.
This country is in deep trouble OT and you don't have the brains to see it.
This link is how your side is.

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/04/02/rep-gowdy-doubles-down-says-pelosi-needs-to-see-mental-health-professional-video/

Yep- I read that article before... And altho I can't stand Pelosi- it made me both very sad and mad... That in what used to be a very prestigious body of government like the U.S. House of Representatives that partisan politics could get so bad that Gowdy could do such a thing to a fellow elected Congressman.... Blog type namecalling...
This isn't the British Parliament- this is the U.S. Congress where for years these Congressmen sat side by side and worked out their differences- not make false accusations about each other by namecalling... That's something you expect from the Hoppy's, Larrry's and Loopy's of the world- not U.S. Congressmen...
But the writing was on the wall when Mitch McConnell said that their top priority was to deny President Obama a second term... Not build the economy, not help the citizens have a better life, not rebuild the infrastructure, no positive priorities except promote partisan politics... :( :x
 

hopalong

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Was what you read from borowitz oldtimer..

told any truths today oldtimer??? or just the same old LIES.....

So you were just making it up -eh? Some folks call that lying.... Wink

You of all people accusing some one of lying... you nose has grown so much from lying you could build a house from the lumber and have enough left over to build a barn :roll:
 

ranch hand

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But in your sick little mind they can call Sarah Palin dirty names, call people racist (like you do trying to make someone mad). Call the republicans murders and on and on. You scare me that this generation is going to grow up with more people with your thinking. People waiting in line for "free stuff", calling people racist, tea baggers, and etc just because they don't want to do their job ( kind of like Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Where have you once except maybe now showed any interest in getting rid of the name calling? You are one of the worst on here to name call when you don't have facts to back up your opinion (99% of the time). But will give you a pass as we didn't elect you. I wished Gowdy was our president.
 

Faster horses

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" I wished Gowdy was our president."



:agree:

He has become my favorite politician,
The man makes sense and tries to make others accountable for their corruption.
He's got a HUGE job staying on top of things.
He is getting some national attention as I see him being
interviewed on television fairly regularly.
 
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