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Fractures opening in the donk ranks

Whitewing

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WASHINGTON — The Democrats’ widespread losses last week have revived a debate inside the party about its fundamental identity, a long-running feud between center and left that has taken on new urgency in the aftermath of a disastrous election and in a time of deeply felt economic anxiety.

The discussion is taking place in postelection meetings, conference calls and dueling memos from liberals and moderates. But it will soon grow louder, shaping the actions of congressional Democrats in President Obama’s final two years and, more notably, defining the party’s presidential primaries in 2016.

“The debate will ultimately play out in a battle for the soul of the Clinton campaign,” said Matt Bennett, a senior official at Third Way, the centrist political group.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, should she run, will face tension between the business-friendly wing of the party, which was ascendant in the economic boom during her husband’s administration, and the populism of Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, which has gained currency of late.

“I want her to run on a raising-wages agenda and not cater to Wall Street, but to everyday people,” Richard L. Trumka, president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O., said of his expectations for Mrs. Clinton.

Straddling the two blocs could prove difficult. Progressives have been emboldened to criticize party leaders since the Republican rout, particularly given the lack of a coherent Democratic message to address the problem of stagnant wages.

Sifting through returns showing that lower-income voters either supported Republicans or did not vote, liberals argue that without a more robust message about economic fairness, the party will continue to suffer among working-class voters, particularly in the South and Midwest.

Mr. Obama’s wide popularity among activists and his attempt to transcend the traditional moderate-versus-liberal divide have largely papered over Democratic divisions on economic policy for the last six years. The party was also brought together by the passage of the health care law. But with Mr. Obama’s popularity flagging and the economic recovery largely benefiting the affluent, Democrats are clashing anew.

The donks are now in disarray with opposing forces pulling them in assorted directions. Appealing to their whacky liberal base may no longer be a winning strategy as moderates gain a stronger voice.

Could it be that this disarray will leave the party fractured and result in the pubs gliding into the white house in 2016? :???: :???: :???:

Signed WW, sitting in for the missing Pig-Eye.
 

loomixguy

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If you're sitting in for the Fatman, you should be able to go swimming in the chair you're using.

Kinda nice not having the tard around, but it's always fun to poke him with a sharp stick, though.
 

loomixguy

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Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......
 

Whitewing

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loomixguy said:
Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......

I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.
 

Larrry

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Those guys are having a blast sitting around looking at his packets, wondering how this guy could investigate anything other than opening a bourbon bottle. They are probably getting on here laughing at the oldfart

Hey you feds dont forget to go to 5barx and cattletoday for a few more chuckles
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Whitewing said:
loomixguy said:
Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......

I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.

I think he might have got a visit from the Feds. :shock:

I see he is no longer a member here at Ranchers. :eek:
 

Whitewing

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Whitewing said:
loomixguy said:
Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......

I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.

I think he might have got a visit from the Feds. :shock:

I see he is no longer a member here at Ranchers. :eek:

:lol: :lol: :lol: We're not rural enough??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Larrry

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Whitewing said:
loomixguy said:
Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......

I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.

I think he might have got a visit from the Feds. :shock:

I see he is no longer a member here at Ranchers. :eek:

They probably took his plastic badge and plastic handcuffs away from here. he was gonna end up hurting himself
 

Faster horses

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Whitewing said:
loomixguy said:
Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......

I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.

I think he might have got a visit from the Feds. :shock:

I see he is no longer a member here at Ranchers. :eek:

Wow. Who'da thunk it? :shock:

If he's not a member, he can't read Political Bull since it became closed. Right?
 

Whitewing

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Faster horses said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Whitewing said:
I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.

I think he might have got a visit from the Feds. :shock:

I see he is no longer a member here at Ranchers. :eek:

Wow. Who'da thunk it? :shock:

If he's not a member, he can't read Political Bull since it became closed. Right?

You'll be a great investigator some day. :wink: :p
 

loomixguy

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Whitewing said:
loomixguy said:
Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......

I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.

I think he might have got a visit from the Feds. :shock:

I see he is no longer a member here at Ranchers. :eek:

Not that I didn't believe BMR, but if I've learned anything here its to verify information. The Fatman's status is that of a "guest", and he doesn't show up on a member search.

Although I don't have 137 years of law enforcement experience, I predict a couple of things. One of these days, his posts will mysteriously disappear, and he will come back under a new ID, though it would mainly be for lurking purposes. He seems to be equally thought of at the other forums he frequents, so it's doubtful anybody would PM him or otherwise give him a heads up about things.

Talk about a perfect storm...the daughter in all that trouble, being fooled as thoroughly as he was by WW, the recent election and the sound trouncing of his party of choice, and another mouth coming along that will have to be fed.....he is probably about to vapor lock. He made a big noise about leaving once before, and it was a lie...now he's slinking off with his tail between his legs....but he'll be back. Count on it. :wink:
 

Mike

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Whitewing said:
loomixguy said:
Didn't Pig Eye post a while back that NOBODY, not NOBODY, was going to run him off from here? Maybe he wasn't including himself.......

I suspect that after those assorted federal agencies received their packets, OT's been busy on the lecture circuit and likely doing cold case crime-solving consulting work. Talent like that doesn't come along every day.

You know he did solve the Oklahoma City Bombing case all by his lonesome by alerting the FBI to the Ryder truck before they even knew it.

FROM 1,000's OF MILES AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:
 

Whitewing

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Trust me, he's monitoring this site.....keeping track of us skinheads, anarchists, anti-gubmint types is in his blood. It's his destiny.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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hypocritexposer said:
The group of them will connect daily on Facebook and tell one another what to say.

Kola was the most recent...

Kola's sounding more bitter with every post she makes. :D

Guess she is channeling all the pent up bitterness of OT, R2 and Alice rolled into one package or should I say "Packet". :lol:
 

loomixguy

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Poor Fatman. He's gotten kicked in the nurtz at every single turn the past couple of weeks. His only hope of ever getting wood again is if Hitlary gets elected in 2016, and even then he'd need a quadruple dose of Lie-agra to get er done.
 

Whitewing

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hypocritexposer said:
The group of them will connect daily on Facebook and tell one another what to say.

Kola was the most recent...

Sure hope they pass that grassy knoll tip on to the fatman. It's solid. :D
 

hypocritexposer

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Whitewing said:
hypocritexposer said:
The group of them will connect daily on Facebook and tell one another what to say.

Kola was the most recent...

Sure hope they pass that grassy knoll tip on to the fatman. It's solid. :D

I knew you'd say that...because I am you, that's solid too, you know it's true.

:D
 

Brad S

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I don't think OT was telling kolo what to post - that poster is breath takingly stupid. OT is a little more wylie in his ignorance. Sometimes I try to empathize with someone so misguided, but his arguments are so dishonest, it's like he wants to be misguided.

As for problems with his kids, for there but the grace of God, go I. Been good so far, but life changes soo fast.
 
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