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Shaking my head in disgust. There is a big lesson for the rest of the world.

Is there a country in the whole world that is self sufficient and governed by a tyrannical black?
 

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the story needs a bit of caution.. it is not for the young or liberal..

the young need to be protected from such a harsh reality and the liberals will never accept such a harsh reality...




Born with high hopes 30 years ago, Zimbabwe is now one of the poorest, saddest and most dangerous countries on earth. Decimated by economic mismanagement, brutal repression and a largely untreated AIDS epidemic, a once-proud people have been forced to their knees by Robert Mugabe’s regime. In recent years, Zimbabwe has experienced the highest inflation in recorded history and the lowest life expectancy in the world. Nearly 10 percent of the population—one million children—are AIDS orphans. International institutions rank the government as one of the most corrupt and violent on earth and up to a third of Zimbabweans have fled the country. It is one of the great catastrophes of our times. It has not abated. And yet it has faded from the popular consciousness. Today, in Zimbabwe, the Old Testament cry rings true: 'the living know that they will die ... the dead know nothing ... and even their name is forgotten'.
 
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So should we go nationbuilding in Africa now :???:

A recent poll showed almost 70% believe we should stay out of Syria- as Americans are tired of being the policemen to the world...They are tired of spending Trillions $ on false promises of it not going to cost us anything....They want to see their taxes spent at home rebuilding this country that fell apart with the Bush Bust- that partially came from the Trillions $ debt we spent nationbuilding Iraq....

Where is the rest of free world- Britain, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, etc. etc...Isn't Zimbabwe a part of what was a British Colony? I'd leave it to them to mend their screwups..

Sorry- but my conservative beliefs are old school Libertarian conservative, and that is keep our noses out the rest of the worlds civil wars....
 

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by taking the OT/Obama policy of ignore .and do nothing.. we are building a continent with appalling human rights violations..

by OT's philosophy if his neighbor was butchered it would be the former land owner who is responsible.. and the sheriff should mind his own business..




no matter how it is quoted.. it always says the same thing....



‘All that’s necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

All that is needed for the forces of evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing.

All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

In order for ‘evil’ to prevail, all that need happen is for ‘good’ people to do nothing.

All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

The surest way for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

All it will take for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

All that is necessary for the forces of evil to take root in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.

All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent.

All it takes for Evil to prevail in this world is for enough good men to do nothing.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
 

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OT if president Lyndon Johnson had stayed out of the affairs of Rhodesia, a country he no doubt had never even heared of before the declairation of UDI on 11 Nov 1965, the country might have had a chance to work out their problems internally and be the prosperous western style country it should have been, the UN being brought in by his government in support of the British prime minister Harold Wilson plunged the second largest economy, and the best policing and judicial system in Africa at the time, into civil war (aided by western countries, sponsored by Russia and China). The elections considered as free and fair by the unofficial international observers which brought Abel Muzorewa into power, was rejected by the west, including the USA, the blatantly flawed election two years later which brought Mugabe into power was accepted by the same governments, all these governments owe the victims of their political expediency some concrete support.
 
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andybob said:
OT if president Lyndon Johnson had stayed out of the affairs of Rhodesia, a country he no doubt had never even heared of before the declairation of UDI on 11 Nov 1965, the country might have had a chance to work out their problems internally and be the prosperous western style country it should have been, the UN being brought in by his government in support of the British prime minister Harold Wilson plunged the second largest economy, and the best policing and judicial system in Africa at the time, into civil war (aided by western countries, sponsored by Russia and China). The elections considered as free and fair by the unofficial international observers which brought Abel Muzorewa into power, was rejected by the west, including the USA, the blatantly flawed election two years later which brought Mugabe into power was accepted by the same governments, all these governments owe the victims of their political expediency some concrete support.


Andy- I don't doubt you- and I sympathize for your loss of your country-- but if we hadn't had WWI and the redesigning of countries all over the world (all done with the best intentions)- and then WWII with more redesign, we wouldn't have half the civil wars and internal national/tribal/ethic conflicts we now have....

But how long should the American taxpayer/American serviceman pick up the bill/task of policing these past generations old mistakes made by ALL the countries of the world :???:
 

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Oldtimer said:
but if we hadn't had WWI and the redesigning of countries all over the world (all done with the best intentions)- and then WWII with more redesign, we wouldn't have half the civil wars and internal national/tribal/ethic conflicts we now have....
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Wrong, as usual, Old Hadji.

The problem is there are too many folks like you..weak, unable, and unwilling to do the right thing, or pull out even though the job isn't done. Political correctness is now the law of the world, because, gosh, we wouldn't want to OFFEND some third world piss pot dictator. This country, and liberal folks like you, lack the resolve and the testicular fortitude to see the job through. Had we been allowed to win in Korea, Viet Nam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.....and took care of things elsewhere in the world, the ruling thugs would think twice before committing genocide and civil war amongst their fellow countrymen. Even your so-called hero Teddy Roosevelt believed in speaking softly and carrying a big stick.
 

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I don't expect any major financial outlay from any government, and certainly no military intervention, which would be politically explosive in the African context. The difference between the comprehensive sanctions and assistance to the enemies of Rhodesia, and the weak travel restrictions against the present regime (constantly flouted) is inexcusable, with the Chinese and Russians vetoing every attempt to bring pressure via the UN, the western countries need to take unilateral action to arrest these people outside of Zimbabwe and bring them before the Hague court of human rights, and prevent tha vast volume of military hardware reaching this landlocked country (all for use against the citizens)
Rhodesia sent the highest per capita nuber of soldiers to both world wars in support of the allies, all financed by the Rhodesian government (unlike the majority of colonies and countries) with high losses to both our black and white soldiers, fought for the Brits in Malaya, sent soldiers to the commonwealth contingent to Korea, offered experienced special force soldiers to the USA for service in Vietnam, keenly wanted by the military but vetoed by the politicians, and were serving with Brit forces up untill UDI, old friends should deserve some consideration.
Just for the record; outside of the political sphere of influence, over 300 USA citizens served in the Rhodesian regular army (from 1975), half of them 'Nam vets, the political attitude was not shared by the average USA citizen that knew anything of the Rhodesian/Zimbabwean situation
 

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Oldtimer said:
andybob said:
OT if president Lyndon Johnson had stayed out of the affairs of Rhodesia,


... , all these governments owe the victims of their political expediency some concrete support.





Andy- I don't doubt you- and I sympathize for your loss of your country-- but if we hadn't had WWI and the redesigning of countries all over the world (all done with the best intentions)- and then WWII with more redesign, we wouldn't have half the civil wars and internal national/tribal/ethic conflicts we now have....

But how long should the American taxpayer/American serviceman pick up the bill/task of policing these past generations old mistakes made by ALL the countries of the world :???:


I'd leave it to them to mend their screwups..

enough said....
 

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andybob said:
I don't expect any major financial outlay from any government, and certainly no military intervention, which would be politically explosive in the African context. The difference between the comprehensive sanctions and assistance to the enemies of Rhodesia, and the weak travel restrictions against the present regime (constantly flouted) is inexcusable, with the Chinese and Russians vetoing every attempt to bring pressure via the UN, the western countries need to take unilateral action to arrest these people outside of Zimbabwe and bring them before the Hague court of human rights, and prevent tha vast volume of military hardware reaching this landlocked country (all for use against the citizens)
Rhodesia sent the highest per capita nuber of soldiers to both world wars in support of the allies, all financed by the Rhodesian government (unlike the majority of colonies and countries) with high losses to both our black and white soldiers, fought for the Brits in Malaya, sent soldiers to the commonwealth contingent to Korea, offered experienced special force soldiers to the USA for service in Vietnam, keenly wanted by the military but vetoed by the politicians, and were serving with Brit forces up untill UDI, old friends should deserve some consideration.
Just for the record; outside of the political sphere of influence, over 300 USA citizens served in the Rhodesian regular army (from 1975), half of them 'Nam vets, the political attitude was not shared by the average USA citizen that knew anything of the Rhodesian/Zimbabwean situation

one thing the world should have learned long ago was not to trust the Liberals to treat a friend with respect..

I for one feel we have made mistakes.. and should like any decent country strive to make amends.. even if most of the mistakes were made by our liberals..
 
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andybob said:
I don't expect any major financial outlay from any government, and certainly no military intervention, which would be politically explosive in the African context. The difference between the comprehensive sanctions and assistance to the enemies of Rhodesia, and the weak travel restrictions against the present regime (constantly flouted) is inexcusable, with the Chinese and Russians vetoing every attempt to bring pressure via the UN, the western countries need to take unilateral action to arrest these people outside of Zimbabwe and bring them before the Hague court of human rights, and prevent tha vast volume of military hardware reaching this landlocked country (all for use against the citizens)
Rhodesia sent the highest per capita nuber of soldiers to both world wars in support of the allies, all financed by the Rhodesian government (unlike the majority of colonies and countries) with high losses to both our black and white soldiers, fought for the Brits in Malaya, sent soldiers to the commonwealth contingent to Korea, offered experienced special force soldiers to the USA for service in Vietnam, keenly wanted by the military but vetoed by the politicians, and were serving with Brit forces up untill UDI, old friends should deserve some consideration.
Just for the record; outside of the political sphere of influence, over 300 USA citizens served in the Rhodesian regular army (from 1975), half of them 'Nam vets, the political attitude was not shared by the average USA citizen that knew anything of the Rhodesian/Zimbabwean situation

We put sanctions and an embargo on Cuba over 50 years ago when Castro took over...Guess what- a Castro is still in power...
That definitely is one of the fallacies and frailties involved with embargos and the UN- as not all countries will recognize them...

As far as the World Court is concerned- it was pretty well castrated when GW backed out and would not sign the Rome Statute which went into effect in 2002- which means we refuse to refrain from such acts ourselves...(And as it turned out- if he hadn't he and Cheney would probably be facing charges before the courts themselves...)


Three of these states—Israel, Sudan and the United States—have "unsigned" the Rome Statute, indicating that they no longer intend to become states parties and, as such, they have no legal obligations arising from their former representatives' signature of the Statute.
 

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Oldtimer said:
andybob said:
We put sanctions and an embargo on Cuba over 50 years ago when Castro took over...Guess what- a Castro is still in power...
That definitely is one of the fallacies and frailties involved with embargos



Is Castro still in power oldtimer???????????On February 24, 2008, the National Assembly of People's Power unanimously chose his brother, Raúl Castro, as Fidel's successor as President of Cuba.[333] In his first speech as Fidel's successor, he proposed to the National Assembly of People's Power that Fidel continue to be consulted on matters of great importance, such as defence, foreign policy and "the socioeconomic development of the country". The proposal was immediately and unanimously approved by the 597 members of the National Assembly. Raúl described his brother as "not substitutable".[334] Castro had already given up the post of First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba on July 31, 2006.[335][336]
Since his retirement, Castro has written a regular column in Granma called "Reflections", in which he writes on world affairs, and has occasionally made pre-taped appearances on television greeting visitors such as Hugo Chávez in his room. In July 2010, he made his first public appearance greeting workers at a science centre and gave his most prominent television interview since falling ill, on the Cuban program Mesa Redonda speaking for an extended period about tensions between the United States, Iran and North Korea.[337]

Once again you show your ignorance of what goes on,,, Maybe too much time at the local water hole???? alcohol soaked brain?????

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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hopalong said:
Oldtimer said:
andybob said:
We put sanctions and an embargo on Cuba over 50 years ago when Castro took over...Guess what- a Castro is still in power...
That definitely is one of the fallacies and frailties involved with embargos



Is Castro still in power oldtimer???????????On February 24, 2008, the National Assembly of People's Power unanimously chose his brother, Raúl Castro, as Fidel's successor as President of Cuba.[333] In his first speech as Fidel's successor, he proposed to the National Assembly of People's Power that Fidel continue to be consulted on matters of great importance, such as defence, foreign policy and "the socioeconomic development of the country". The proposal was immediately and unanimously approved by the 597 members of the National Assembly. Raúl described his brother as "not substitutable".[334] Castro had already given up the post of First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba on July 31, 2006.[335][336]
Since his retirement, Castro has written a regular column in Granma called "Reflections", in which he writes on world affairs, and has occasionally made pre-taped appearances on television greeting visitors such as Hugo Chávez in his room. In July 2010, he made his first public appearance greeting workers at a science centre and gave his most prominent television interview since falling ill, on the Cuban program Mesa Redonda speaking for an extended period about tensions between the United States, Iran and North Korea.[337]

Once again you show your ignorance of what goes on,,, Maybe too much time at the local water hole???? alcohol soaked brain?????

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You ignoramus- I purposely said "a" Castro...Are you contending that Fidels brother is a more Democratic "Dictator" :???: :roll:

The Cuban Embargo and sanctions hasn't worked thru 2 generations of Dictators (Castros)....
 

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Oldtimer said:
andybob said:
OT if president Lyndon Johnson had stayed out of the affairs of Rhodesia, a country he no doubt had never even heared of before the declairation of UDI on 11 Nov 1965, the country might have had a chance to work out their problems internally and be the prosperous western style country it should have been, the UN being brought in by his government in support of the British prime minister Harold Wilson plunged the second largest economy, and the best policing and judicial system in Africa at the time, into civil war (aided by western countries, sponsored by Russia and China). The elections considered as free and fair by the unofficial international observers which brought Abel Muzorewa into power, was rejected by the west, including the USA, the blatantly flawed election two years later which brought Mugabe into power was accepted by the same governments, all these governments owe the victims of their political expediency some concrete support.


Andy- I don't doubt you- and I sympathize for your loss of your country-- but if we hadn't had WWI and the redesigning of countries all over the world (all done with the best intentions)- and then WWII with more redesign, we wouldn't have half the civil wars and internal national/tribal/ethic conflicts we now have....

Interesting thread AndyBob and I suspect you think daily of what has happened in Rhodesia.....a country and home you obviously miss.

Having said that, I am still trying to wrap my brain around the gem OT posted above. :lol:
 

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So should we go nationbuilding in Africa now

We just left Africa. No we haven't........................................ we still have boots on the ground in Libya.

How many millions did that bombing crusade cost? :roll:
 
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Mike said:
OT wrote:
So should we go nationbuilding in Africa now

We just left Africa. No we haven't........................................ we still have boots on the ground in Libya.

How many millions did that bombing crusade cost? :roll:

That bombing crusade cost was miniscule compared to Iraq...

So since we went along with the UN to Libya you think we should invade Zimbabwe? What next Sudan?- then Somalia?... How many other African countries that don't live the way we think they should?

I thought most so called conservatives opposed the UN- and the World Court...
 

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Mike said:
OT wrote:
So should we go nationbuilding in Africa now

We just left Africa. No we haven't........................................ we still have boots on the ground in Libya.

How many millions did that bombing crusade cost? :roll:

That bombing crusade cost was miniscule compared to Iraq...

So since we went along with the UN to Libya you think we should invade Zimbabwe? What next Sudan?- then Somalia?... How many other African countries that don't live the way we think they should?

I thought most so called conservatives opposed the UN- and the World Court...

Help me out here OT. Where did Mike say he was in favor of invading Zimbabwe?......or in favor of the UN or the World Court for that matter....

:roll:

I suspect he was just pointing out that your chosen one was doing something which you claim to oppose.
 

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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT wrote:

We just left Africa. No we haven't........................................ we still have boots on the ground in Libya.

How many millions did that bombing crusade cost? :roll:

That bombing crusade cost was miniscule compared to Iraq...

So since we went along with the UN to Libya you think we should invade Zimbabwe? What next Sudan?- then Somalia?... How many other African countries that don't live the way we think they should?

I thought most so called conservatives opposed the UN- and the World Court...

Help me out here OT. Where did Mike say he was in favor of invading Zimbabwe?......or in favor of the UN or the World Court for that matter....

:roll:

I suspect he was just pointing out that your chosen one was doing something which you claim to oppose.

I guess that fat sumbiatch is too stupid to comprehend what I wrote or even know what he wrote? :roll:
 

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Mike said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
That bombing crusade cost was miniscule compared to Iraq...

So since we went along with the UN to Libya you think we should invade Zimbabwe? What next Sudan?- then Somalia?... How many other African countries that don't live the way we think they should?

I thought most so called conservatives opposed the UN- and the World Court...

Help me out here OT. Where did Mike say he was in favor of invading Zimbabwe?......or in favor of the UN or the World Court for that matter....

:roll:

I suspect he was just pointing out that your chosen one was doing something which you claim to oppose.

I guess that fat sumbiatch is too stupid to comprehend what I wrote and know what he wrote? :roll:

I dont think I have ever seen anyone construct as many strawman arguments as OT. His way of arguing with himself. :lol:
 

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