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Frog walking Tyson

Mike

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Why Aren't the Feds Frog-Walking Tyson Foods Executives?
By Jim Kouri CPP (05/01/2006)

Recently, Department of Homeland Security's Secretary Michael Chertoff made a big deal out of federal agents arresting seven current and former managers of IFCO Systems North American, Inc. for conspiring to transport, harbor, and encourage and induce illegal aliens to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain.

Chertoff noted that the conspiracy charge carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for each alien they're responsible for hiring. Two other IFCO employees were arrested on criminal charges relating to fraudulent documents.

Under the current administration, interior and work site enforcement have been virtually abandoned with the exception of extremely isolated and highly publicized raids such as the IFCO busts.

Since the day Bush took office his people have steadfastly refused to enforce a variety of immigration laws. Now President Bush wants to create the impression that our immigration laws can't be enforced by convincing the American public that the only alternative to
amnesty and guest workers is mass deportation.

Now, I'm not going to denigrate DHS's efforts to enforce immigration laws. However, when we have companies such as Tyson Foods closing plants because they expect their illegal alien workers to partake in protests, boycotts and demonstrations, why aren't the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents swarming all over their facilities?

Perhaps the reason Tyson Foods openly hires illegal aliens is that it's head honchos are tight with the Clintons and President George W. Bush.

Tyson Foods' financial records show that they had been funding former US president Bill Clinton in many of his political campaigns, beginning back at the time when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. Don Tyson was one of Bill Clinton's closest friends and biggest supporters, according to grand jury testimony concerning Tyson's political misconduct. And Don Tyson was Bill Clinton's top fundraiser during his governorship and presidential elections.

Joe Henrickson, a former Tyson airplane pilot, admitted to transporting endless envelopes of cash from Tyson corporate offices to Governor Clinton, money that doesn't figure in the annual accounting system.

Also, Tyson Foods was fined $6 million as a result of confessing their donation of at least $12,000 in cash and gifts to former US Agricultural Secretary, Mike Espy, up until his swift departure in early 1994. A Wall Street Journal article noted that, "Espy had been "feted" by Don Tyson at a football game and had outlined several regulatory decisions that seemed to benefit Tyson Foods." In another instance, inside information supplied by Tyson Foods chief counsellor James Blair to Hilary Clinton on a swine futures market deal enabled the First Lady to make an overnight profit of approximately $100,000.

More recent records show that Tyson was a big contributer to President Bush's campaigns, as well. More importantly, President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at US citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Truth be told, the worksite enforcement program has been a low priority under both INS and ICE. For example, in fiscal year 1999 INS devoted about 9 percent of its total investigative agents' time to worksite enforcement, while in fiscal year 2003 it allocated about 4 percent. ICE officials claim that the agency has experienced difficulties in proving employer violations and setting and collecting fine amounts that meaningfully deter employers from knowingly hiring unauthorized workers.

In addition, INS and then ICE shifted its worksite enforcement focus to critical infrastructure protection after September 11, 2001. DHS also developed new written procedures and acted to ensure that immigration investigators are aware of all individuals with revoked visas who may be in the country.

However, weaknesses remain. For example, State Department and DHS procedures are not fully coordinated and lack performance standards, such as specific time frames, for completing each step of the process. Outstanding legal and policy issues continue to exist regarding the removal of individuals based solely on their visa revocation.

As part of its mission to ensure national security, DHS is charged with enforcing the laws requiring employers to employ only individuals authorized to work in the United States. The Form I-9 requirement stems from Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act and implementing regulations, which require all U.S. employers (including agricultural associations or employers who recruit or refer persons for employment for a fee) to verify on the Form I-9 the identity and employment eligibility of all employees -- including U.S. citizens -- hired to work in the United States after November 6, 1986.

Completed Forms I-9 are not filed with the federal government. Instead, they must be retained by the employer in its own files and made available for inspection by DHS, the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, or the Department of Labor for three years after the date of hire or one year after the date the employee's employment is terminated, whichever is later.

Recruiters or referrers for a fee are required to retain the Form I-9 records for three years after the date of the hire. Failure to properly complete and retain the Form I-9 subjects the employer to civil penalties ranging from $110 to $1,100. Hardly a penalty for companies making millions of dollars in profits due to low wages paid to illegal aliens.
 

agman

Well-known member
Mike said:
Why Aren't the Feds Frog-Walking Tyson Foods Executives?
By Jim Kouri CPP (05/01/2006)

Recently, Department of Homeland Security's Secretary Michael Chertoff made a big deal out of federal agents arresting seven current and former managers of IFCO Systems North American, Inc. for conspiring to transport, harbor, and encourage and induce illegal aliens to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain.

Chertoff noted that the conspiracy charge carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for each alien they're responsible for hiring. Two other IFCO employees were arrested on criminal charges relating to fraudulent documents.

Under the current administration, interior and work site enforcement have been virtually abandoned with the exception of extremely isolated and highly publicized raids such as the IFCO busts.

Since the day Bush took office his people have steadfastly refused to enforce a variety of immigration laws. Now President Bush wants to create the impression that our immigration laws can't be enforced by convincing the American public that the only alternative to
amnesty and guest workers is mass deportation.

Now, I'm not going to denigrate DHS's efforts to enforce immigration laws. However, when we have companies such as Tyson Foods closing plants because they expect their illegal alien workers to partake in protests, boycotts and demonstrations, why aren't the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents swarming all over their facilities?

Perhaps the reason Tyson Foods openly hires illegal aliens is that it's head honchos are tight with the Clintons and President George W. Bush.

Tyson Foods' financial records show that they had been funding former US president Bill Clinton in many of his political campaigns, beginning back at the time when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. Don Tyson was one of Bill Clinton's closest friends and biggest supporters, according to grand jury testimony concerning Tyson's political misconduct. And Don Tyson was Bill Clinton's top fundraiser during his governorship and presidential elections.

Joe Henrickson, a former Tyson airplane pilot, admitted to transporting endless envelopes of cash from Tyson corporate offices to Governor Clinton, money that doesn't figure in the annual accounting system.

Also, Tyson Foods was fined $6 million as a result of confessing their donation of at least $12,000 in cash and gifts to former US Agricultural Secretary, Mike Espy, up until his swift departure in early 1994. A Wall Street Journal article noted that, "Espy had been "feted" by Don Tyson at a football game and had outlined several regulatory decisions that seemed to benefit Tyson Foods." In another instance, inside information supplied by Tyson Foods chief counsellor James Blair to Hilary Clinton on a swine futures market deal enabled the First Lady to make an overnight profit of approximately $100,000.

More recent records show that Tyson was a big contributer to President Bush's campaigns, as well. More importantly, President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at US citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Truth be told, the worksite enforcement program has been a low priority under both INS and ICE. For example, in fiscal year 1999 INS devoted about 9 percent of its total investigative agents' time to worksite enforcement, while in fiscal year 2003 it allocated about 4 percent. ICE officials claim that the agency has experienced difficulties in proving employer violations and setting and collecting fine amounts that meaningfully deter employers from knowingly hiring unauthorized workers.

In addition, INS and then ICE shifted its worksite enforcement focus to critical infrastructure protection after September 11, 2001. DHS also developed new written procedures and acted to ensure that immigration investigators are aware of all individuals with revoked visas who may be in the country.

However, weaknesses remain. For example, State Department and DHS procedures are not fully coordinated and lack performance standards, such as specific time frames, for completing each step of the process. Outstanding legal and policy issues continue to exist regarding the removal of individuals based solely on their visa revocation.

As part of its mission to ensure national security, DHS is charged with enforcing the laws requiring employers to employ only individuals authorized to work in the United States. The Form I-9 requirement stems from Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act and implementing regulations, which require all U.S. employers (including agricultural associations or employers who recruit or refer persons for employment for a fee) to verify on the Form I-9 the identity and employment eligibility of all employees -- including U.S. citizens -- hired to work in the United States after November 6, 1986.

Completed Forms I-9 are not filed with the federal government. Instead, they must be retained by the employer in its own files and made available for inspection by DHS, the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, or the Department of Labor for three years after the date of hire or one year after the date the employee's employment is terminated, whichever is later.

Recruiters or referrers for a fee are required to retain the Form I-9 records for three years after the date of the hire. Failure to properly complete and retain the Form I-9 subjects the employer to civil penalties ranging from $110 to $1,100. Hardly a penalty for companies making millions of dollars in profits due to low wages paid to illegal aliens.

Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
agman said:
Mike said:
Why Aren't the Feds Frog-Walking Tyson Foods Executives?
By Jim Kouri CPP (05/01/2006)

Recently, Department of Homeland Security's Secretary Michael Chertoff made a big deal out of federal agents arresting seven current and former managers of IFCO Systems North American, Inc. for conspiring to transport, harbor, and encourage and induce illegal aliens to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain.

Chertoff noted that the conspiracy charge carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for each alien they're responsible for hiring. Two other IFCO employees were arrested on criminal charges relating to fraudulent documents.

Under the current administration, interior and work site enforcement have been virtually abandoned with the exception of extremely isolated and highly publicized raids such as the IFCO busts.

Since the day Bush took office his people have steadfastly refused to enforce a variety of immigration laws. Now President Bush wants to create the impression that our immigration laws can't be enforced by convincing the American public that the only alternative to
amnesty and guest workers is mass deportation.

Now, I'm not going to denigrate DHS's efforts to enforce immigration laws. However, when we have companies such as Tyson Foods closing plants because they expect their illegal alien workers to partake in protests, boycotts and demonstrations, why aren't the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents swarming all over their facilities?

Perhaps the reason Tyson Foods openly hires illegal aliens is that it's head honchos are tight with the Clintons and President George W. Bush.

Tyson Foods' financial records show that they had been funding former US president Bill Clinton in many of his political campaigns, beginning back at the time when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. Don Tyson was one of Bill Clinton's closest friends and biggest supporters, according to grand jury testimony concerning Tyson's political misconduct. And Don Tyson was Bill Clinton's top fundraiser during his governorship and presidential elections.

Joe Henrickson, a former Tyson airplane pilot, admitted to transporting endless envelopes of cash from Tyson corporate offices to Governor Clinton, money that doesn't figure in the annual accounting system.

Also, Tyson Foods was fined $6 million as a result of confessing their donation of at least $12,000 in cash and gifts to former US Agricultural Secretary, Mike Espy, up until his swift departure in early 1994. A Wall Street Journal article noted that, "Espy had been "feted" by Don Tyson at a football game and had outlined several regulatory decisions that seemed to benefit Tyson Foods." In another instance, inside information supplied by Tyson Foods chief counsellor James Blair to Hilary Clinton on a swine futures market deal enabled the First Lady to make an overnight profit of approximately $100,000.

More recent records show that Tyson was a big contributer to President Bush's campaigns, as well. More importantly, President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at US citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Truth be told, the worksite enforcement program has been a low priority under both INS and ICE. For example, in fiscal year 1999 INS devoted about 9 percent of its total investigative agents' time to worksite enforcement, while in fiscal year 2003 it allocated about 4 percent. ICE officials claim that the agency has experienced difficulties in proving employer violations and setting and collecting fine amounts that meaningfully deter employers from knowingly hiring unauthorized workers.

In addition, INS and then ICE shifted its worksite enforcement focus to critical infrastructure protection after September 11, 2001. DHS also developed new written procedures and acted to ensure that immigration investigators are aware of all individuals with revoked visas who may be in the country.

However, weaknesses remain. For example, State Department and DHS procedures are not fully coordinated and lack performance standards, such as specific time frames, for completing each step of the process. Outstanding legal and policy issues continue to exist regarding the removal of individuals based solely on their visa revocation.

As part of its mission to ensure national security, DHS is charged with enforcing the laws requiring employers to employ only individuals authorized to work in the United States. The Form I-9 requirement stems from Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act and implementing regulations, which require all U.S. employers (including agricultural associations or employers who recruit or refer persons for employment for a fee) to verify on the Form I-9 the identity and employment eligibility of all employees -- including U.S. citizens -- hired to work in the United States after November 6, 1986.

Completed Forms I-9 are not filed with the federal government. Instead, they must be retained by the employer in its own files and made available for inspection by DHS, the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, or the Department of Labor for three years after the date of hire or one year after the date the employee's employment is terminated, whichever is later.

Recruiters or referrers for a fee are required to retain the Form I-9 records for three years after the date of the hire. Failure to properly complete and retain the Form I-9 subjects the employer to civil penalties ranging from $110 to $1,100. Hardly a penalty for companies making millions of dollars in profits due to low wages paid to illegal aliens.

Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post.

I think the hiring process is not in question here, Agman. The results of the hiring practice is the problem, no matter how it is sugar coated. This post isn't slanderous---it is a little conservative to what is actually happening. Tyson did not close the plants they did just for fun. They were afraid they plants wouldn't run with all the illegals supporting the effort and not at the plant.

Tyson was only aquitted of their illegal alien smuggling ring, not because they didn't do it, but because no one would testify to what had happened in conjuction with the tapes the FBI had. In addition, the manager they scapegoated the whole thing to (which is typical of how Tyson tries to limit liability--blame it on underlings and say the corporation had nothing to do with it) was found dead in a field not far from the Shelbyville plant. It had a very chilling effect on any other witnesses. It was said that he killed himself with a rifle. This was after he had bought a new place, had a new job, and also had a young family at home to raise.

Tyson had a little help with that one and some orders high up in the FBI of not doing a real investigation on the so called suicide that many think was a murder or something else (which I will not go into).

There was no stomach for anyone to convict Tyson on the charges because the case was pre-911 and many were (and still are) sympathetic to the illegal aliens.

There was a political fix put in on those events. You just may not know about it. Call it slanderous if you want, I call it hidden information.

Tyson is going over the line on many, many, many issues and too many politicos are helping the bureaucratic wheels of justice not to grind.

Like I said before, we have the Mexicanization of our poltical system as much as Mexicans in the U.S. Some people are just tired of it.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Agman, "Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post."

Are you talking about their official written policy or the one they actually follow? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

agman

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post."

Are you talking about their official written policy or the one they actually follow? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why don't you tell me what they actually follow. I am quite certain from your small local you know everything about Tyson's hiring practices. Heck, you can ask Herman if you have any doubts. That is the same Herman who stated during testimony he knew of producers who had to leave the cattle business due to the boxed beef reporting error. However when he was asked to list some names he suddenly had a lapse of memory!!!!

List Tyson's actual hiring procedures for all of us to read.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
agman said:
Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post."

Are you talking about their official written policy or the one they actually follow? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why don't you tell me what they actually follow. I am quite certain from your small local you know everything about Tyson's hiring practices. Heck, you can ask Herman if you have any doubts. That is the same Herman who stated during testimony he knew of producers who had to leave the cattle business due to the boxed beef reporting error. However when he was asked to list some names he suddenly had a lapse of memory!!!!

List Tyson's actual hiring procedures for all of us to read.

Sandhusker and I both do not care about procedures on this one, Agman. We care about the "results" that you champion. It seems you only want to champion "results" that are favorable to Tyson, no matter who else gets hurt.

The fact that Tyson had to shut as many plants as it did speaks to the results they are getting, no matter what their "procedures" happen to be.
 

agman

Well-known member
Econ101 said:
agman said:
Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post."

Are you talking about their official written policy or the one they actually follow? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why don't you tell me what they actually follow. I am quite certain from your small local you know everything about Tyson's hiring practices. Heck, you can ask Herman if you have any doubts. That is the same Herman who stated during testimony he knew of producers who had to leave the cattle business due to the boxed beef reporting error. However when he was asked to list some names he suddenly had a lapse of memory!!!!

List Tyson's actual hiring procedures for all of us to read.

Sandhusker and I both do not care about procedures on this one, Agman. We care about the "results" that you champion. It seems you only want to champion "results" that are favorable to Tyson, no matter who else gets hurt.

The fact that Tyson had to shut as many plants as it did speaks to the results they are getting, no matter what their "procedures" happen to be.

That is skirting the question and implication which is par for both of you. Since everyone has extreme confidence in everything you state so why don't you tell us what you know about the results!!?!! However, lies are not acceptable. That eliminates anything you might have to say.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
agman said:
Econ101 said:
agman said:
Why don't you tell me what they actually follow. I am quite certain from your small local you know everything about Tyson's hiring practices. Heck, you can ask Herman if you have any doubts. That is the same Herman who stated during testimony he knew of producers who had to leave the cattle business due to the boxed beef reporting error. However when he was asked to list some names he suddenly had a lapse of memory!!!!

List Tyson's actual hiring procedures for all of us to read.

Sandhusker and I both do not care about procedures on this one, Agman. We care about the "results" that you champion. It seems you only want to champion "results" that are favorable to Tyson, no matter who else gets hurt.

The fact that Tyson had to shut as many plants as it did speaks to the results they are getting, no matter what their "procedures" happen to be.

That is skirting the question and implication which is par for both of you. Since everyone has extreme confidence in everything you state so why don't you tell us what you know about the results!!?!! However, lies are not acceptable. That eliminates anything you might have to say.

In case you had a hard time with what I wrote, I will post it again verbatum:

"The fact that Tyson had to shut as many plants as it did speaks to the results they are getting, no matter what their "procedures" happen to be."

Where is the "lie", Agman? Is everything that you don't agree with a "lie"?

You and SH are two peas in a pod.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
agman said:
Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post."

Are you talking about their official written policy or the one they actually follow? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why don't you tell me what they actually follow. I am quite certain from your small local you know everything about Tyson's hiring practices. Heck, you can ask Herman if you have any doubts. That is the same Herman who stated during testimony he knew of producers who had to leave the cattle business due to the boxed beef reporting error. However when he was asked to list some names he suddenly had a lapse of memory!!!!

List Tyson's actual hiring procedures for all of us to read.

Oh, Puleeeeze, Agman. You don't think Tyson hires wetbacks??
 

Mike

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Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post.

I only posted that because I like the title: "Frog Walking". :lol: :lol:


Immigration Group Pickets Tyson Foods
By John T. Anderson
The Morning News

Donald Carter of Rogers marches Monday outside Tyson Foods’ Northwest Arkansas Employment Center in Lowell. Carter, affiliated with Patriots on Watch, said he chose the meat company because, “We want them to know we’ll be watching.” Carter opposes the practice of hiring illegal immigrants.
Neemah A. Esmaeilpour, The Morning News
Demonstrators outside Tyson Foods' employment office in Lowell, as well as managers inside, agree on at least one thing: Better hiring controls are needed to help businesses screen job applicants.

Picketers with the newly formed Patriots On Watch said companies such as Tyson should be forced to better police their hiring practices.

Tyson representatives said more government training is needed to aid companies in that screening process.

Three people showed up for the Patriots On Watch demonstration in front of offices that serve as Tyson's hiring center for its meat-processing plants in Northwest Arkansas. Donald Carter of Rogers said his group is trying to raise awareness of illegal immigrants and the companies who hire them.

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"We want the American laws enforced," Carter said. "We are not accusing Tyson of (anything) ... We want them to know we are going to be watching and making sure they don't hire illegal (workers)."

Afterward, Tyson, which employs about 8,700 people in Benton and Washington counties, held its own news event, of sorts.

Gary Mickelson, a Tyson spokesman, and three people who worked in the Tyson personnel office, explained that companies walk a tightrope -- with employee screening requirements on one side and discrimination laws on the other -- when hiring job applicants.

Tyson has "zero tolerance" for employing illegal workers, Mickelson said. The company voluntarily bought into the government's Basic Pilot program in 1998, which screens applicants through the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Cathy Johnson, vice president of Tyson for employment compliance, said the company hammered out its own in-house training four years ago to show human resource personnel how to comply with the program.

"We have pulled together our own resources," Johnson said. "We couldn't wait."

But Johnson admitted there are holes in the system. An impostor could use someone else's Social Security number and picture identification, if both people appear similar, and become employed.

Those holes could be filled, according to Carter, who works as a truck driver. He said when he was hired, he was required to give fingerprints along with photo identification and a Social Security number. He wants to know why all companies are not forced to require fingerprints from applicants.

Mickelson, when asked that question, said Tyson is exploring many options to improve hiring practices. He did not have specific information concerning the idea of requiring fingerprints from newly hired personnel.
 

mrj

Well-known member
Mike said:
Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post.

I only posted that because I like the title: "Frog Walking". :lol: :lol:


Immigration Group Pickets Tyson Foods
By John T. Anderson
The Morning News

Donald Carter of Rogers marches Monday outside Tyson Foods’ Northwest Arkansas Employment Center in Lowell. Carter, affiliated with Patriots on Watch, said he chose the meat company because, “We want them to know we’ll be watching.” Carter opposes the practice of hiring illegal immigrants.
Neemah A. Esmaeilpour, The Morning News
Demonstrators outside Tyson Foods' employment office in Lowell, as well as managers inside, agree on at least one thing: Better hiring controls are needed to help businesses screen job applicants.

Picketers with the newly formed Patriots On Watch said companies such as Tyson should be forced to better police their hiring practices.

Tyson representatives said more government training is needed to aid companies in that screening process.

Three people showed up for the Patriots On Watch demonstration in front of offices that serve as Tyson's hiring center for its meat-processing plants in Northwest Arkansas. Donald Carter of Rogers said his group is trying to raise awareness of illegal immigrants and the companies who hire them.

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"We want the American laws enforced," Carter said. "We are not accusing Tyson of (anything) ... We want them to know we are going to be watching and making sure they don't hire illegal (workers)."

Afterward, Tyson, which employs about 8,700 people in Benton and Washington counties, held its own news event, of sorts.

Gary Mickelson, a Tyson spokesman, and three people who worked in the Tyson personnel office, explained that companies walk a tightrope -- with employee screening requirements on one side and discrimination laws on the other -- when hiring job applicants.

Tyson has "zero tolerance" for employing illegal workers, Mickelson said. The company voluntarily bought into the government's Basic Pilot program in 1998, which screens applicants through the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Cathy Johnson, vice president of Tyson for employment compliance, said the company hammered out its own in-house training four years ago to show human resource personnel how to comply with the program.

"We have pulled together our own resources," Johnson said. "We couldn't wait."

But Johnson admitted there are holes in the system. An impostor could use someone else's Social Security number and picture identification, if both people appear similar, and become employed.

Those holes could be filled, according to Carter, who works as a truck driver. He said when he was hired, he was required to give fingerprints along with photo identification and a Social Security number. He wants to know why all companies are not forced to require fingerprints from applicants.

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Mickelson, when asked that question, said Tyson is exploring many options to improve hiring practices. He did not have specific information concerning the idea of requiring fingerprints from newly hired personnel.

Would that even be legal? Haven't we read that business is grossly handicapped in the questions allowed to be asked of prospective employees?

Does anyong know the facts on that situation, I mean, questions that legally may or may not be asked in a job interview?

MRJ
 

Mike

Well-known member
Would that even be legal? Haven't we read that business is grossly handicapped in the questions allowed to be asked of prospective employees?

Does anyong know the facts on that situation, I mean, questions that legally may or may not be asked in a job interview?

MRJ

It is perfectly legal to ask for fingerprints. (I presume that is what your question is about)

You can also require drug tests, perform a criminal background check, etc.

The main question you cannot ask is......if they are handicapped. Only if they are able to do the job you are interviewing for.

The main one you CAN ask is.........ARE YOU A U.S. CITIZEN? and require proof.
 

agman

Well-known member
Econ101 said:
agman said:
Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post."

Are you talking about their official written policy or the one they actually follow? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why don't you tell me what they actually follow. I am quite certain from your small local you know everything about Tyson's hiring practices. Heck, you can ask Herman if you have any doubts. That is the same Herman who stated during testimony he knew of producers who had to leave the cattle business due to the boxed beef reporting error. However when he was asked to list some names he suddenly had a lapse of memory!!!!

List Tyson's actual hiring procedures for all of us to read.

Sandhusker and I both do not care about procedures on this one, Agman. We care about the "results" that you champion. It seems you only want to champion "results" that are favorable to Tyson, no matter who else gets hurt.

The fact that Tyson had to shut as many plants as it did speaks to the results they are getting, no matter what their "procedures" happen to be.

Your conclusion is born out of ignorance, not fact. Do you honestly believe all those who participated in the march are illegal? The fact is that they chose not to run the plants not knowing the extent of participation. They did not forbid workers from participating in the march. That is a RESULT.

You have failed to tell me what their hiring procedures are-WHY?
 

agman

Well-known member
Econ101 said:
agman said:
Mike said:
Why Aren't the Feds Frog-Walking Tyson Foods Executives?
By Jim Kouri CPP (05/01/2006)

Recently, Department of Homeland Security's Secretary Michael Chertoff made a big deal out of federal agents arresting seven current and former managers of IFCO Systems North American, Inc. for conspiring to transport, harbor, and encourage and induce illegal aliens to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain.

Chertoff noted that the conspiracy charge carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for each alien they're responsible for hiring. Two other IFCO employees were arrested on criminal charges relating to fraudulent documents.

Under the current administration, interior and work site enforcement have been virtually abandoned with the exception of extremely isolated and highly publicized raids such as the IFCO busts.

Since the day Bush took office his people have steadfastly refused to enforce a variety of immigration laws. Now President Bush wants to create the impression that our immigration laws can't be enforced by convincing the American public that the only alternative to
amnesty and guest workers is mass deportation.

Now, I'm not going to denigrate DHS's efforts to enforce immigration laws. However, when we have companies such as Tyson Foods closing plants because they expect their illegal alien workers to partake in protests, boycotts and demonstrations, why aren't the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents swarming all over their facilities?

Perhaps the reason Tyson Foods openly hires illegal aliens is that it's head honchos are tight with the Clintons and President George W. Bush.

Tyson Foods' financial records show that they had been funding former US president Bill Clinton in many of his political campaigns, beginning back at the time when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. Don Tyson was one of Bill Clinton's closest friends and biggest supporters, according to grand jury testimony concerning Tyson's political misconduct. And Don Tyson was Bill Clinton's top fundraiser during his governorship and presidential elections.

Joe Henrickson, a former Tyson airplane pilot, admitted to transporting endless envelopes of cash from Tyson corporate offices to Governor Clinton, money that doesn't figure in the annual accounting system.

Also, Tyson Foods was fined $6 million as a result of confessing their donation of at least $12,000 in cash and gifts to former US Agricultural Secretary, Mike Espy, up until his swift departure in early 1994. A Wall Street Journal article noted that, "Espy had been "feted" by Don Tyson at a football game and had outlined several regulatory decisions that seemed to benefit Tyson Foods." In another instance, inside information supplied by Tyson Foods chief counsellor James Blair to Hilary Clinton on a swine futures market deal enabled the First Lady to make an overnight profit of approximately $100,000.

More recent records show that Tyson was a big contributer to President Bush's campaigns, as well. More importantly, President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at US citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Truth be told, the worksite enforcement program has been a low priority under both INS and ICE. For example, in fiscal year 1999 INS devoted about 9 percent of its total investigative agents' time to worksite enforcement, while in fiscal year 2003 it allocated about 4 percent. ICE officials claim that the agency has experienced difficulties in proving employer violations and setting and collecting fine amounts that meaningfully deter employers from knowingly hiring unauthorized workers.

In addition, INS and then ICE shifted its worksite enforcement focus to critical infrastructure protection after September 11, 2001. DHS also developed new written procedures and acted to ensure that immigration investigators are aware of all individuals with revoked visas who may be in the country.

However, weaknesses remain. For example, State Department and DHS procedures are not fully coordinated and lack performance standards, such as specific time frames, for completing each step of the process. Outstanding legal and policy issues continue to exist regarding the removal of individuals based solely on their visa revocation.

As part of its mission to ensure national security, DHS is charged with enforcing the laws requiring employers to employ only individuals authorized to work in the United States. The Form I-9 requirement stems from Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act and implementing regulations, which require all U.S. employers (including agricultural associations or employers who recruit or refer persons for employment for a fee) to verify on the Form I-9 the identity and employment eligibility of all employees -- including U.S. citizens -- hired to work in the United States after November 6, 1986.

Completed Forms I-9 are not filed with the federal government. Instead, they must be retained by the employer in its own files and made available for inspection by DHS, the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, or the Department of Labor for three years after the date of hire or one year after the date the employee's employment is terminated, whichever is later.

Recruiters or referrers for a fee are required to retain the Form I-9 records for three years after the date of the hire. Failure to properly complete and retain the Form I-9 subjects the employer to civil penalties ranging from $110 to $1,100. Hardly a penalty for companies making millions of dollars in profits due to low wages paid to illegal aliens.

Mike in your haste to blame Tyson for a crime someone else may be guilty of you could not even describe Tyson's hiring process. If you did you would not make such a meaningless and slanderous post.

I think the hiring process is not in question here, Agman. The results of the hiring practice is the problem, no matter how it is sugar coated. This post isn't slanderous---it is a little conservative to what is actually happening. Tyson did not close the plants they did just for fun. They were afraid they plants wouldn't run with all the illegals supporting the effort and not at the plant.

Tyson was only aquitted of their illegal alien smuggling ring, not because they didn't do it, but because no one would testify to what had happened in conjuction with the tapes the FBI had. In addition, the manager they scapegoated the whole thing to (which is typical of how Tyson tries to limit liability--blame it on underlings and say the corporation had nothing to do with it) was found dead in a field not far from the Shelbyville plant. It had a very chilling effect on any other witnesses. It was said that he killed himself with a rifle. This was after he had bought a new place, had a new job, and also had a young family at home to raise.

Tyson had a little help with that one and some orders high up in the FBI of not doing a real investigation on the so called suicide that many think was a murder or something else (which I will not go into).

There was no stomach for anyone to convict Tyson on the charges because the case was pre-911 and many were (and still are) sympathetic to the illegal aliens.

There was a political fix put in on those events. You just may not know about it. Call it slanderous if you want, I call it hidden information.

Tyson is going over the line on many, many, many issues and too many politicos are helping the bureaucratic wheels of justice not to grind.

Like I said before, we have the Mexicanization of our poltical system as much as Mexicans in the U.S. Some people are just tired of it.

With all the brilliant legal minds you claim to know why don't you pursue the case or are you afraid of being trapped in your own mountain of lies again?!!! Be a real hero for the cause if you actually know of foul play... and your sources of information are?

If you do know and don't act what does that make you? If you don't ACTUALLY know of foul play then what does that make you??? I know what such accusation makes you and I have confidence most readers on this forum also know. You have truly qualified yourself as someone who cannot be believed under any circumstance.
 

Econ101

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agman said:
Econ101 said:
agman said:
Why don't you tell me what they actually follow. I am quite certain from your small local you know everything about Tyson's hiring practices. Heck, you can ask Herman if you have any doubts. That is the same Herman who stated during testimony he knew of producers who had to leave the cattle business due to the boxed beef reporting error. However when he was asked to list some names he suddenly had a lapse of memory!!!!

List Tyson's actual hiring procedures for all of us to read.

Sandhusker and I both do not care about procedures on this one, Agman. We care about the "results" that you champion. It seems you only want to champion "results" that are favorable to Tyson, no matter who else gets hurt.

The fact that Tyson had to shut as many plants as it did speaks to the results they are getting, no matter what their "procedures" happen to be.

Your conclusion is born out of ignorance, not fact. Do you honestly believe all those who participated in the march are illegal? The fact is that they chose not to run the plants not knowing the extent of participation. They did not forbid workers from participating in the march. That is a RESULT.

You have failed to tell me what their hiring procedures are-WHY?

Their hiring procedures are your question, not mine. Answer it yourself. When you ask questions just to divert from the discussion, they fall on you to answer, not anyone else. If you have a point and know a little something, just post it. I feel no need to answer your silly questions. The answer may not (in this case it was not) relevant to the conclusions.

Are you saying that there are no illegals at those plants? Yes or no.

The whole trial in TN I mentioned earlier was about Tyson managers coyoteing Mexicans from Mexico, not just hiring them. It was not just one manager in one complex either. The man that was killed in TN was not all that involved in the coyoteing part. He was just a scapegoat who was killed.

Whatever Tyson's current policy on hiring, they were involved in smuggling Mexicans from Mexico, not just hiring them.

I have nothing against any of those immigrants. They were all just looking for a better life. My point here is that Tyson seems to break many laws and continually puts up the get out of jail free card. Sometimes, as the one Tyson manager found out, the cost isn't always free----but Tyson doesn't seem to pay the price.

Bribing sitting presidents, both dems. and reps., along with some congress men, seems to get you a few too many of those get out of jail free cards.

It isn't supposed to work that way. Big business isn't supposed to operate mafia style in the U.S. and good citizens--or judges, or federal agents---give them the free pass all the time.
 

agman

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Econ101 said:
agman said:
Econ101 said:
Sandhusker and I both do not care about procedures on this one, Agman. We care about the "results" that you champion. It seems you only want to champion "results" that are favorable to Tyson, no matter who else gets hurt.

The fact that Tyson had to shut as many plants as it did speaks to the results they are getting, no matter what their "procedures" happen to be.

Your conclusion is born out of ignorance, not fact. Do you honestly believe all those who participated in the march are illegal? The fact is that they chose not to run the plants not knowing the extent of participation. They did not forbid workers from participating in the march. That is a RESULT.

You have failed to tell me what their hiring procedures are-WHY?

Their hiring procedures are your question, not mine. Answer it yourself. When you ask questions just to divert from the discussion, they fall on you to answer, not anyone else. If you have a point and know a little something, just post it. I feel no need to answer your silly questions. The answer may not (in this case it was not) relevant to the conclusions.

Are you saying that there are no illegals at those plants? Yes or no.

The whole trial in TN I mentioned earlier was about Tyson managers coyoteing Mexicans from Mexico, not just hiring them. It was not just one manager in one complex either. The man that was killed in TN was not all that involved in the coyoteing part. He was just a scapegoat who was killed.

Whatever Tyson's current policy on hiring, they were involved in smuggling Mexicans from Mexico, not just hiring them.

I have nothing against any of those immigrants. They were all just looking for a better life. My point here is that Tyson seems to break many laws and continually puts up the get out of jail free card. Sometimes, as the one Tyson manager found out, the cost isn't always free----but Tyson doesn't seem to pay the price.

Bribing sitting presidents, both dems. and reps., along with some congress men, seems to get you a few too many of those get out of jail free cards.

It isn't supposed to work that way. Big business isn't supposed to operate mafia style in the U.S. and good citizens--or judges, or federal agents---give them the free pass all the time.

Another stream of baseless claims from the intellectual midget-Econ. You cannot answer my questions because you don't know the answer. Rather you divert with your baseless and slanderous claims-how truly pathetic.

What I am saying is that they do not knowingly hire illegals and you have absolutely no evidence to the contrary. Can some get through the screening procedures which they implement which you know nothing about-yes. Even the program that is handled for them by a government agency is subject to being abused. Unfortunately there are means for immigrants to get forged documents. There are folks who make counterfeit money in case you have not learned. Are you guilty of counterfeiting if one of those bills is passed on to you?

Who bribes you, since you are quick and adept at always accussing others of being bribed, to put out the crap you constantly spew? It is one false allegation after another from you all absent factual support. What a sorry situation.

I learned at a very young age that those who always believe they are being taken advantage of are the ones doing the taking. You continually take from people the opportunity for truth with your stream of phony accusations.
 
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Agman- You are probably correct- Corporate America and Packer World no longer have to send up reefer loads and bus loads of illegals- they now have the best government money can buy that is letting them come across in droves and simply not enforcing the laws on the books involving the counterfeiting of documents and fraudulent illegal worker papers- or any resemblance of an attempt to round up these people who have illegally invaded our country.....

It's shameful what our government has done in the last 10-15 years concerning picking and choosing which laws to enforce as favors for certain people and organizations... :(
 

PORKER

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The meat packers are confirming what we know," says University of Maryland economics professor Peter Morici, "and that is that this large group of illegal aliens in the United States is lowering the wage rate of semiskilled workers, people who are high school dropouts or high school graduates with minimal training."

In fact, a meat-packing job paid $19 an hour in 1980, but today that same job pays closer to $9 an hour, according to the Labor Department. That's entirely consistent with what we've been reporting -- that illegal aliens depress wages for U.S. workers by as much as $200 billion a year in addition to placing a tremendous burden on hospitals, schools and other social services.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
agman said:
Econ101 said:
agman said:
Your conclusion is born out of ignorance, not fact. Do you honestly believe all those who participated in the march are illegal? The fact is that they chose not to run the plants not knowing the extent of participation. They did not forbid workers from participating in the march. That is a RESULT.

You have failed to tell me what their hiring procedures are-WHY?

Their hiring procedures are your question, not mine. Answer it yourself. When you ask questions just to divert from the discussion, they fall on you to answer, not anyone else. If you have a point and know a little something, just post it. I feel no need to answer your silly questions. The answer may not (in this case it was not) relevant to the conclusions.

Are you saying that there are no illegals at those plants? Yes or no.

The whole trial in TN I mentioned earlier was about Tyson managers coyoteing Mexicans from Mexico, not just hiring them. It was not just one manager in one complex either. The man that was killed in TN was not all that involved in the coyoteing part. He was just a scapegoat who was killed.

Whatever Tyson's current policy on hiring, they were involved in smuggling Mexicans from Mexico, not just hiring them.

I have nothing against any of those immigrants. They were all just looking for a better life. My point here is that Tyson seems to break many laws and continually puts up the get out of jail free card. Sometimes, as the one Tyson manager found out, the cost isn't always free----but Tyson doesn't seem to pay the price.

Bribing sitting presidents, both dems. and reps., along with some congress men, seems to get you a few too many of those get out of jail free cards.

It isn't supposed to work that way. Big business isn't supposed to operate mafia style in the U.S. and good citizens--or judges, or federal agents---give them the free pass all the time.

Another stream of baseless claims from the intellectual midget-Econ. You cannot answer my questions because you don't know the answer. Rather you divert with your baseless and slanderous claims-how truly pathetic.

What I am saying is that they do not knowingly hire illegals and you have absolutely no evidence to the contrary. Can some get through the screening procedures which they implement which you know nothing about-yes. Even the program that is handled for them by a government agency is subject to being abused. Unfortunately there are means for immigrants to get forged documents. There are folks who make counterfeit money in case you have not learned. Are you guilty of counterfeiting if one of those bills is passed on to you?

Who bribes you, since you are quick and adept at always accussing others of being bribed, to put out the crap you constantly spew? It is one false allegation after another from you all absent factual support. What a sorry situation.

I learned at a very young age that those who always believe they are being taken advantage of are the ones doing the taking. You continually take from people the opportunity for truth with your stream of phony accusations.

I am familiar with their system, Agman. You jumping to the conclusion that I am not is part of the proble you continuously exhibit. Tyson not only has a get out of jail free card, but they implement the lets fix it when we get caught so we won't get in trouble for it in the future and they can't hold us accountable for the past. You yourself have asked me "how did you know" so they could implement this strategy.

As I said, I am familiar with their procedures. I am also familiar with the results. It is you who are willing to ignore the evidence in favor for your bias.

Sandhusker asked you, "Oh, Puleeeeze, Agman. You don't think Tyson hires wetbacks??"

Are you so willing to go to bat for them that you will continually make excuses?

As you have said before, sometimes it is the results that count.

I find it ironic that there is a very hard right wing element of Republican Party that wants a hard line on illegal entry into this country on one hand and the wink and nod Republicans on the other that allow it for their business buddies.

As I said before, the best solution to this problem is a U.S. government that encourages change within countries with their international policy INCLUDING TRADE POLICIES. We should not "share the wealth" of trade with foreign oligarchs just because it makes money for Walmart and supresses inflation and the effects of poor fiscal policy. It is the responsibility part of bringing democracy to the world.

As for your allegation of me taking "bribes", the answer is no. I am not getting paid in any way that I know of, nor is anyone in my family. It is funny that you should attempt to copy the very thing you rail on me about. The difference is my allegations have foundation, yours do not.

Sometimes I do feel like the FBI agent that was warning of the terrorist activities in the U.S. that the policy makers did not heed. We have so many dots that draw out the picture. They must only be connected by those who can.
 
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PORKER said:
The meat packers are confirming what we know," says University of Maryland economics professor Peter Morici, "and that is that this large group of illegal aliens in the United States is lowering the wage rate of semiskilled workers, people who are high school dropouts or high school graduates with minimal training."

In fact, a meat-packing job paid $19 an hour in 1980, but today that same job pays closer to $9 an hour, according to the Labor Department. That's entirely consistent with what we've been reporting -- that illegal aliens depress wages for U.S. workers by as much as $200 billion a year in addition to placing a tremendous burden on hospitals, schools and other social services.

Porker- Thats what we saw in our area...Montana at one time had many small slaughter plants... The local one hired locals, paid good wages and benefits-- had more of a family working for him.....Had to close the doors- couldn't compete with the BIG boys, who were cutting costs by using illegals and cutting every corner whether it was legal or not- Local manager refused to use pay offs to officials... (SH's being more efficient)

Plant sold for a dime on the dollar to one of the Stanko operations- Reefer truckloads of Nicaurauguans, Mexicans etc. started arriving-Operated for a couple years with nothing put into upkeep....Illegals lived in squalid company housing- without even running water... Depressed the local economy with social costs, rather than adding to it...The new ownership took what they could out of the facility- then walked away leaving the county the building and the cost of cleanup....

Building still standing- now is mechanics shop and junkyard......
 
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