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Today 11/22/2006 2:06:00 PM


USDA Pledges Livestock ID Program To Remain Voluntary



WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The debate on whether or not the national livestock identification and tracking program will eventually become mandatory is over now that the U.S. Department of Agriculture is pledging it will be a permanently voluntary system, Undersecretary Bruce Knight said Wednesday.



Knight said livestock sector concerns over a mandatory National Animal Identification System has only slowed down progress and the USDA is in a hurry to meet self-imposed deadlines.



The goal of the massive effort to eventually be able to track any animal to its source in a 48-hour time frame in the event of disease outbreak is on track, Knight told reporters.



The first deadline is January, 2007, when USDA is trying to get 25% of all livestock-producing premises registered in data-bases that the federal government could access in the event of a disease outbreak.



So far, 332,032 premises out of 1.4 million have been registered, according to USDA data. That is about 24% and it means USDA has a "fighting chance" of meeting its January goal.



USDA hopes to have 70% of premises and 40% of livestock registered by January 2008. By January 2009, USDA wants 100% of all premises registered, 100% of all newborn animals identified and 60% of all animals under a year old documented.



The 100% goal laid out by USDA might not be attainable, Knight said, because of the decision to keep the program voluntary, but he stressed that will not hamper the government's ultimate goal.



Even though 100% premise registration may not be possible, Knight said, "we do believe by 2009 we can have a critical mass of participation out there of premises as well as livestock in the event of a disease outbreak."



"We're going to make this successful as a voluntary program," Knight said. "The key thing here is to have a system that will achieve our objectives of traceability in 48 hours."



To make that happen, though, Knight and the USDA will have to convince producers and Congress members that have raised concerns over the program.



Knight said he has already met with Rep. Collin Peterson, D-Minn., an outspoken critic of USDA's livestock identification program. Peterson is expected to take over as chairman of the House Agriculture Committee in January now that Democrats have taken control of Congress. Knight said he would be happy to testify if Peterson holds hearings on the issue.



But USDA also has to convince livestock producers, many of whom are worried about submitting details of their herds into databases that the federal government has access to.



The USDA, in a 65-page user guide on the National Animal Identification System released Wednesday, lays out what it considers adequate protection of the data it is collecting.



Information, the document says, can be entered into databases maintained by local states or private companies. Federal officials will only be able to access the data "to respond to an animal health emergency," according to the user guide. "Federal law protects individuals' private information and confidential business information from public disclosure."



Source: Bill Tomson; Dow Jones Newswires; 202-646-0088; [email protected]
 
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The first deadline is January, 2007, when USDA is trying to get 25% of all livestock-producing premises registered in data-bases that the federal government could access in the event of a disease outbreak.

So far, 332,032 premises out of 1.4 million have been registered, according to USDA data. That is about 24% and it means USDA has a "fighting chance" of meeting its January goal.




Previously, NAIS used a total premises number count from the National Agriculture Statistics Survey (NASS) of 2.1 million livestock farms in the United States.

Have we lost 700,000 livestock owners in the US in the last year- or could we again be seeing a government agency juggle figures around so that their percentages fit and things appear better than they really are :???: The American Horse Council says there is over 2 million horse owners alone in the US...

Yep- USDA blowing smoke at us again :roll:
 
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Oldtimer said:
The first deadline is January, 2007, when USDA is trying to get 25% of all livestock-producing premises registered in data-bases that the federal government could access in the event of a disease outbreak.

So far, 332,032 premises out of 1.4 million have been registered, according to USDA data. That is about 24% and it means USDA has a "fighting chance" of meeting its January goal.




Previously, NAIS used a total premises number count from the National Agriculture Statistics Survey (NASS) of 2.1 million livestock farms in the United States.

Have we lost 700,000 livestock owners in the US in the last year- or could we again be seeing a government agency juggle figures around so that their percentages fit and things appear better than they really are :???: The American Horse Council says there is over 2 million horse owners alone in the US...

Yep- USDA blowing smoke at us again :roll:


Here's USDA explanation- either way it sure makes you wonder if they still know if they are coming or going......

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Total U.S. Premises Count Reduced To 1.4 Million



BEEF

Nov 27, 2006 4:41 PM



USDA revised its total premises count for U.S. livestock farms - for National Animal Identification System (NAIS) purposes - from 2.1 million total premises to 1.4 million. The 2.1-million figure had been based on figures from the National Agriculture Statistics Survey (NASS), which USDA says it learned counted locations for each species a producer owned. Thus, the 2.1-million figure included duplications for operations of more than one livestock commodity.



After a NASS recalculation of the statistics to remove duplications, USDA says the resulting estimate of 1,433,582 livestock farms in the U.S. offers a more accurate figure for the purposes of NAIS.



Under the new NASS estimates, number of livestock operations by state includes: Alabama, 35,336; Alaska, 307; Arizona, 5,163; Arkansas, 37,417; California, 32,340; Colorado, 22,909; Connecticut, 2,506; Delaware, 1,541; Florida, 28,062; Georgia, 35,349;



Hawaii, 1,335; Idaho, 18,687; Illinois, 30,011; Indiana, 34,758; Iowa, 47,246; Kansas, 39,333; Kentucky, 61,184; Louisiana, 19,311; Maine, 4,150; Maryland, 7,799; Massachusetts, 3,427; Michigan, 28,953; Minnesota, 44,109; Mississippi, 28,917; Montana, 78,966;



Nebraska, 30,815; Nevada, 2,518; New Hampshire, 2,265; New Jersey, 5,286; New Mexico, 11,241; New York, 25,440; North Carolina, 35,990; North Dakota, 14,080; Ohio, 48,013; Oklahoma, 71,388; Oregon 28,545; Pennsylvania, 42,071; Rhode Island, 489;



South Carolina, 16,087; South Dakota, 22,351; Tennessee, 67,903; Texas, 187,006; Utah, 12,436; Virginia, 37,532; Vermont, 4,429; Washington, 21,853; Wisconsin, 51,193; West Virginia, 17,634; and Wyoming; 8,211.



Animal owners can voluntarily participate by registering their premises with their State, Tribe, or Territorial animal health authority online, by telephone, or by mail. Register online at: animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/premises_id/register.shtml.



-- Joe Roybal



beef-mag.com
 
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Talk about speaking with a forked tongue, I thought you "M"COOL proponents were preaching that consumers should have a right to know where their beef comes from???

What's up with that?

Who's speaking with a forked tongue OT?

As usual, it's you blamers.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Talk about speaking with a forked tongue, I thought you "M"COOL proponents were preaching that consumers should have a right to know where their beef comes from???

What's up with that?

Who's speaking with a forked tongue OT?

As usual, it's you blamers.


~SH~

We think they should know what country it comes from - knowing which pasture really is a bit much.
 
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Sandbag: "We think they should know what country it comes from - knowing which pasture really is a bit much."

WE??? You still speaking for that turd you carry around in your pocket?

The last time you spoke for "WE", you were claiming that "WE" (R-CULT) didn't want a BURDENSOME TRACEBACK when I was telling you that R-CULT didn't want traceback, PERIOD because they didn't want to be "BURDENED WITH TRACEBACK". You were wrong again which was revealed in R-CULT's vote. Why are you still thinking you speak for the majority of R-CULTERS?

Give me an example of a traceback system that traces cattle to the individual pasture. You made the claim now back it up.......

Watch the diversion AGAIN ............

As far as tracing to an individual country, that will still require traceback of all cattle going in and all beef coming out of the plant unless you designate certain plants to process only imported beef. I'd fully expect you to be that arrogant in regards to dictating to the processing industry how they should conduct business.


Forked tongue.........

"Don't consumers have a right to know where their beef comes from"
"Don't burden me with traceback"

"We are in the cattle industry, not the beef industry"
"We support Country of Origin Labeling of beef"

"USDA does not care about food safety" (when Canada had bse)
"Canadian beef is contaminated and high risk due to bse" (when Canada had bse)
"We have the safest beef in the world due to our bse firewalls (when the US had bse)"

Fact: BSE firewalls in Canada and the US are virtually the same.


R-CULTers speaking about forked tongues to ease their filthy consciences. How ironic!


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
SH, "Watch the diversion AGAIN ............ As far as tracing to an individual country, that will still require traceback of all cattle going in and all beef coming out of the plant unless you designate certain plants to process only imported beef. I'd fully expect you to be that arrogant in regards to dictating to the processing industry how they should conduct business"

OK, Scotty. Visualize this..... you're in a packer's lot. You look at all the cattle in the pens. You look at all the cattle coming off the trucks. Now tell me why you can't tell me where every single head is from? Other than being an idiot, why wouldn't you be able to tell?
 

Econ101

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
SH, "Watch the diversion AGAIN ............ As far as tracing to an individual country, that will still require traceback of all cattle going in and all beef coming out of the plant unless you designate certain plants to process only imported beef. I'd fully expect you to be that arrogant in regards to dictating to the processing industry how they should conduct business"

OK, Scotty. Visualize this..... you're in a packer's lot. You look at all the cattle in the pens. You look at all the cattle coming off the trucks. Now tell me why you can't tell me where every single head is from? Other than being an idiot, why wouldn't you be able to tell?

How about this: Cattle come into the country and have to be kept track of until slaughter and then through to the retailer and labeled as to the country of origin.

Same thing with boxed beef. If the USDA can't track foreign imports, how would they ever be able to track it from the pasture to the plate with MID.

Maybe scoring ag could help them.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
SH, "Watch the diversion AGAIN ............ As far as tracing to an individual country, that will still require traceback of all cattle going in and all beef coming out of the plant unless you designate certain plants to process only imported beef. I'd fully expect you to be that arrogant in regards to dictating to the processing industry how they should conduct business"

OK, Scotty. Visualize this..... you're in a packer's lot. You look at all the cattle in the pens. You look at all the cattle coming off the trucks. Now tell me why you can't tell me where every single head is from? Other than being an idiot, why wouldn't you be able to tell?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you must of either missed this or are still thinking, even thought I know neither is the case.
 

William Kanitz

Well-known member
SH,Give me an example of a traceback system that traces cattle to the individual pasture.
There is only one ScoringAg.
ScoringAg Food Labels to Provide Traceback Records - 2/16/2006



OMAHA (DTN) -- According to a company release, leading the food industry's
interest in product traceability, ScoringAg, a division of ScoringSystem,
Inc., has developed a product labeling system that provides access to complete
product source and traceback records at the time of purchase by scanning the
product's traceback barcode label, which can be designed as an exclusive micro-brand,
boosting product recognition and consumer confidence.
ScoringAg provides the consumer with complete product source information
at the time of purchase from the label code, creating consumer confidence
and adding value to the product. ScoringAg accomplishes this by producing
traceback barcodes for product labels (with or without RFID chips) to allow
the buyer to access specific product traceback records in just seconds, using
ScoringAg's web-based database.
This Point-to-Point Traceback information can be displayed at any point
during food production and handling, right up to retail. The information in
the barcode can be accessed in the field or at any point during the food handling
process with a barcode scanner, even at retail with a ScoringSystem Traceback
Terminal, or with any PC with online access in the Public Search window of
ScoringAg.com.
Any of these methods access ScoringAg, which displays the product's complete
traceback record. Private product labeling has been raised to a new level
of credibility with this new type of barcode labeling and database information
access for food products, from field to fork for each individual product.
This new labeling allows complete traceback and source verification for every
handler in the food chain, increasing the product's value and building consumer
confidence at all sales levels.
The SSI-EID traceback code and/or barcode can be incorporated into existing
product label designs or can be designed to create a micro-branded product.
Since customer loyalty has been vanishing from the marketplace recently,
this new marketing tool is essential to give the buyer and consumer reliable,
verifiable knowledge and information. The direct labeling brings greater product
visibility that is clear, honest, and simple.
ScoringAg.com and its traceback and traceup system for agriculture products,
featuring Site-Specific Recordkeeping and PIDC location codes,
is one of the many divisions of ScoringSystem, Inc. Located in Sarasota, Florida
USA, the company specializes in providing solutions with mobile data, via
wireless PDAs, laptops, and Semacode-programmed Nokia, Siemens, and Sony Ericsson
cell phones.
With the use of RFID and barcodes for traceup and traceback records of
livestock, fish, poultry, crops, produce or tracking transport containers
or perishable meats and other food consumer goods. www.ScoringAg.com makes
managing data easier -- and does it in an extremely cost effective manner
from "Field-to-Fork."
 

mrj

Well-known member
William Kanitz said:
SH,Give me an example of a traceback system that traces cattle to the individual pasture.
There is only one ScoringAg.
ScoringAg Food Labels to Provide Traceback Records - 2/16/2006



OMAHA (DTN) -- According to a company release, leading the food industry's
interest in product traceability, ScoringAg, a division of ScoringSystem,
Inc., has developed a product labeling system that provides access to complete
product source and traceback records at the time of purchase by scanning the
product's traceback barcode label, which can be designed as an exclusive micro-brand,
boosting product recognition and consumer confidence.
ScoringAg provides the consumer with complete product source information
at the time of purchase from the label code, creating consumer confidence
and adding value to the product. ScoringAg accomplishes this by producing
traceback barcodes for product labels (with or without RFID chips) to allow
the buyer to access specific product traceback records in just seconds, using
ScoringAg's web-based database.
This Point-to-Point Traceback information can be displayed at any point
during food production and handling, right up to retail. The information in
the barcode can be accessed in the field or at any point during the food handling
process with a barcode scanner, even at retail with a ScoringSystem Traceback
Terminal, or with any PC with online access in the Public Search window of
ScoringAg.com.
Any of these methods access ScoringAg, which displays the product's complete
traceback record. Private product labeling has been raised to a new level
of credibility with this new type of barcode labeling and database information
access for food products, from field to fork for each individual product.
This new labeling allows complete traceback and source verification for every
handler in the food chain, increasing the product's value and building consumer
confidence at all sales levels.
The SSI-EID traceback code and/or barcode can be incorporated into existing
product label designs or can be designed to create a micro-branded product.
Since customer loyalty has been vanishing from the marketplace recently,
this new marketing tool is essential to give the buyer and consumer reliable,
verifiable knowledge and information. The direct labeling brings greater product
visibility that is clear, honest, and simple.
ScoringAg.com and its traceback and traceup system for agriculture products,
featuring Site-Specific Recordkeeping and PIDC location codes,
is one of the many divisions of ScoringSystem, Inc. Located in Sarasota, Florida
USA, the company specializes in providing solutions with mobile data, via
wireless PDAs, laptops, and Semacode-programmed Nokia, Siemens, and Sony Ericsson
cell phones.
With the use of RFID and barcodes for traceup and traceback records of
livestock, fish, poultry, crops, produce or tracking transport containers
or perishable meats and other food consumer goods. www.ScoringAg.com makes
managing data easier -- and does it in an extremely cost effective manner
from "Field-to-Fork."


That all sounds very nice. Can you tell us, who is the watchdog over this system?

How do they verify that the information they are given at each step of the procedure is accurate?

If this is the only company doing this service, isn't that a monopoly......which come on this site believe is a very bad thing?

MRJ
 

Econ101

Well-known member
MRJ, are you a nut or something? Do you think scoring ag is using its information to control the market?

I thought you were into making fun of conspiracy nuts. Now you are the biggest, but on cases where it just doesn't make sense. Can you get a grip?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker said:
SH, "Watch the diversion AGAIN ............ As far as tracing to an individual country, that will still require traceback of all cattle going in and all beef coming out of the plant unless you designate certain plants to process only imported beef. I'd fully expect you to be that arrogant in regards to dictating to the processing industry how they should conduct business"

OK, Scotty. Visualize this..... you're in a packer's lot. You look at all the cattle in the pens. You look at all the cattle coming off the trucks. Now tell me why you can't tell me where every single head is from? Other than being an idiot, why wouldn't you be able to tell?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you must of either missed this or are still thinking, even thought I know neither is the case.

Figured it out yet?
 

mrj

Well-known member
Econ101 said:
MRJ, are you a nut or something? Do you think scoring ag is using its information to control the market?

I thought you were into making fun of conspiracy nuts. Now you are the biggest, but on cases where it just doesn't make sense. Can you get a grip?


This is strange! The biggest conspiracy buff calling me one when I question what, by accounts on this site, is a true monopoly, and more especially, when I question why you who seems to hate such monopoly sees nothing wrong with this one.

I DO find it strange that you and others shout "foul" every time USDA acts, yet you unquestionningly tout Scoring Systems as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

You whine about monopolies, market power abuses, and more, yet you do not question a single company with an apparent lock on worldwide labels for food systems, from producer to consumer and every step between?

Don't any of you wonder just a bit if there should be some form of verification of the information by independent sources?

It actually sounds like a wonderful system, IF there is verification and checks and ballances so we have reason to trust it.

Do they have it all locked up in patents so no one else can do what they do, or is there some other reason no other company is doing the same thing?

Porker, you are the self-proclaimed expert on Scoring Systems, so why should I waste my dime on a phone call to them?

MRJ
 

Econ101

Well-known member
MRJ said:
Econ101 said:
MRJ, are you a nut or something? Do you think scoring ag is using its information to control the market?

I thought you were into making fun of conspiracy nuts. Now you are the biggest, but on cases where it just doesn't make sense. Can you get a grip?


This is strange! The biggest conspiracy buff calling me one when I question what, by accounts on this site, is a true monopoly, and more especially, when I question why you who seems to hate such monopoly sees nothing wrong with this one.

I DO find it strange that you and others shout "foul" every time USDA acts, yet you unquestionningly tout Scoring Systems as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

You whine about monopolies, market power abuses, and more, yet you do not question a single company with an apparent lock on worldwide labels for food systems, from producer to consumer and every step between?

Don't any of you wonder just a bit if there should be some form of verification of the information by independent sources?

It actually sounds like a wonderful system, IF there is verification and checks and ballances so we have reason to trust it.

Do they have it all locked up in patents so no one else can do what they do, or is there some other reason no other company is doing the same thing?

Porker, you are the self-proclaimed expert on Scoring Systems, so why should I waste my dime on a phone call to them?

MRJ

MRJ, does scoring ag have a monopoly and are they selling their information as inside information?

Are they major buyers or control any bottleneck in the industry and are they using that bottleneck to extract extra profits?

You just have to think about it before you make yourself out to be a bigger fool than you already are.
 
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Sandcheska: "OK, Scotty. Visualize this..... you're in a packer's lot. You look at all the cattle in the pens. You look at all the cattle coming off the trucks. Now tell me why you can't tell me where every single head is from?"

Unless those cattle are branded and have the individual state brand papers to prove it or unless those cattle are ID'd and logged into an ID program, there is no way to know where they are from.

You obviously haven't figured that out yet.

Creating "ILLUSIONS" again, as usual!


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Sandcheska: "OK, Scotty. Visualize this..... you're in a packer's lot. You look at all the cattle in the pens. You look at all the cattle coming off the trucks. Now tell me why you can't tell me where every single head is from?"

Unless those cattle are branded and have the individual state brand papers to prove it or unless those cattle are ID'd and logged into an ID program, there is no way to know where they are from.

You obviously haven't figured that out yet.

Creating "ILLUSIONS" again, as usual!


~SH~

You don't know much. Just how many US producers do you think run the "CAN" brand?
 
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Sandcheska: "Just how many US producers do you think run the "CAN" brand?"

You tell me little Sandcheska!

Then you can tell me just how many "CAN" brands are legible without shaving the brands.

You and your simplistic banker solutions.


~SH~
 
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