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Funny Stuff About The Boy In Boat

Mike

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Have read that the boat owner saw the tarp on his boat moving and blood on his boat. He got a ladder and saw the wounded kid laying there.

He then called 911 and 2-3,000 gung-ho lawmen come running.

Meanwhile, a helicopter equipped with Thermal-Imaging verified someone was laying in the boat.

WAIT!!! WHAT? The homeowner just said he saw the bloody boy laying in the boat!

Read this, but don't believe they wouldn't have gotten him without this technology.
:lol: :lol:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-marathon-bomber-heat-imaging-20130420,0,5731013.story
 

Tam

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Bloodied from an earlier gun battle with police, Tsarnaev, 19, had crawled into a plastic-covered boat that was stored in the backyard of a Watertown, Mass., home. After the homeowner tipped off police, the helicopter was called in to assist.
"There was movement from that point on," Alben said. "The helicopter was able to direct the tactical teams over to that area."


Really, 9000 law enforcement officers needed a chopper with heat imagine technology to assist them in finding him after the homeowner called 911 and told them where he was. :roll: Glad to see money was no object when it comes to finding a terrorist after they have already carried out their attack. Too Bad they hadn't used some of that money to investigate the brother when the foreign country tipped them off to him it might have saved some lives. :x
 

Mike

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The breakthrough came when a man in a Watertown neighborhood saw blood on a boat parked in a yard and pulled back the tarp to see a man covered in blood, authorities said. The resident called 911 and when police arrived, they tried to talk the suspect into getting out of the boat, said Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis.

"He was not communicative," Davis said.
:roll:
 

Mike

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Tam said:
Bloodied from an earlier gun battle with police, Tsarnaev, 19, had crawled into a plastic-covered boat that was stored in the backyard of a Watertown, Mass., home. After the homeowner tipped off police, the helicopter was called in to assist.
"There was movement from that point on," Alben said. "The helicopter was able to direct the tactical teams over to that area."


Really, 9000 law enforcement officers needed a chopper with heat imagine technology to assist them in finding him after the homeowner called 911 and told them where he was. :roll: Glad to see money was no object when it comes to finding a terrorist after they have already carried out their attack. Too Bad they hadn't used some of that money to investigate the brother when the foreign country tipped them off to him it might have saved some lives. :x

The boat owner who spotted him had actually lifted up the tarp on the boat and saw the suspect. He told Team 5 Investigates that Tsarnaev didn't move so he thought he was dead, and that's when a massive law enforcement presence swarmed the neighborhood.

There was a massive exchange of gunfire. The FBI hostage rescue team was on hand in case negotiation or communication was needed. Unmanned robots were on scene and the state police helicopter used infrared technology from above and picked up a heat signal under the tarp of the boat.

Sources told Team 5 police used several tactics to try to move the tarp. There was a large amount of blood but the suspect was still alive and moving. Police asked the suspect to surrender and all of a sudden he pulled himself up. Law enforcement ordered Tsarnaev to lift his shirt up to make sure he didn't have any bombs strapped to his body. The tactical teams moved in and placed him under arrest.

Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigative/Watertown-boat-owner-spots-bombing-suspect-hiding-in-vessel/-/12520878/19826082/-/20eb0bz/-/index.html#ixzz2R7YY6jiZ

When he was taken into custody, the official said, Tsarnaev was not armed and no explosives were found in his possession.

Jay Blitzman, 63, a juvenile court judge who lives about a block away, said he was walking in the direction of Henneberry's house after police first allowed residents out of their homes when a stream of police vehicles rushed down the street.

"Then we heard rapid gunfire - it sounded like automatic gunfire," and police ordered everyone back inside, Blitzman said.

How could there have been an "EXCHANGE" of gunfire if the kid was unarmed?

Seems they could have been as bloodthirsty as the ones who shot his brother?
 

Tam

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Mike said:
The boat owner who spotted him had actually lifted up the tarp on the boat and saw the suspect. He told Team 5 Investigates that Tsarnaev didn't move so he thought he was dead, and that's when a massive law enforcement presence swarmed the neighborhood.

There was a massive exchange of gunfire
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When he was taken into custody, the official said, Tsarnaev was not armed and no explosives were found in his possession.

"Then we heard rapid gunfire - it sounded like automatic gunfire," and police ordered everyone back inside, Blitzman said.

How could there have been an "EXCHANGE" of gunfire if the kid was unarmed?

Very good question Mike. :nod: if it was reported he was bloodied and thought to be dead by the person that found him in the boat what was the need for a heat seeking chopper and the rapid gun fire? If the perp was unarmed then he was not provoking any response from the officers on the scene.
Maybe our resident ex deputy dog and his side kick Kola would like to provide an answer to why there was a one sided gun fight? But I'm guessing all we are going to get from them is their regular insults as they are still pizzed it wasn't a rightwing ********* blowing up Boston because it was TAX DAY. like Obama's team tried to claim. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Of course, he and his brother were in a big shoot-out," said Miller. "But [investigators are] saying that wound to the back of the neck is very possibly a suicide attempt. They say it appears from the wound that he might have stuck a gun in his mouth, and fired and actually just went out the back of his neck without killing him. That's one of the reasons he's unable to communicate, but he can understand what they're saying. And they believe there will be a point where he will be able to talk to him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57580608/boston-bombing-suspect-in-serious-condition/
 

Steve

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I listened to the police commissioner/chief in Watertown mass explain the first part of the shoot out.. where the older brother was killed..

and haven't heard or seen an official account of the younger brother last few minutes..

and it appeared like nothing was out of the ordinary from the police actions on the scene..

basically they were pursuing two suspects.. the car stopped and opened fire on the first police car.. it reversed away from the scene.

as it backed up,.. the pair started shooting and throwing grenades

as several other police arrived they started responding to the gunfire.. (shooting back) (about 4 to 6 officers)

soon after one officer was hit and is critical...

at one point more grenades and a pressure cooker bomb were thrown at police..

the older suspect scarring the street.

the older son at one point stood up and walked towards the officers shooting.. but soon ran out of ammo.. he had been shot already..

the police tackled him.. and was cuffing him when the younger brother drove at the officers.. and ran over the older brother killing him... and rammed past the other police cars..

at this point the police stopped the pursuit and dealt with the wounded officer and the older brother..


where was the gestapo?.. where was the excessive response?..


as for the number of officers involved.. there are easily 6- 7 thousand officers in the larger Boston metropolitan area.. 2000 to 2500 state police officers.. and supposedly national guard and federal assets assigned to assist..

most of the 9000 would be there anyways in one way or another..

it is not abnormal to call up more then needed to make sure enough officers are in place if needed..

most probably didn't see or do much.. I can honestly say when you get assigned to a detail it is usually about the most boring several days of your life..

most of the on scene officers ..(those called in to the actual scenes) are those with special skills..

some of these scenes take days to process.. especially if a life is taken.. as every little detail must be documented.

that alone takes dozens of officers.. with special training.



sure there are always a few gloryhounds who rush to the scene and try to make a name for them selves.. with rambo like efforts..

they usually get noticed for it.. and not in a good way..

to throw out gestapo and compare this to Waco or other law enforcement mistakes is wrong and unfair to the thousands of officers who went and did their duty and did it well..
 
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Steve said:
I listened to the police commissioner/chief in Watertown mass explain the first part of the shoot out.. where the older brother was killed..

and haven't heard or seen an official account of the younger brother last few minutes..

and it appeared like nothing was out of the ordinary from the police actions on the scene..

basically they were pursuing two suspects.. the car stopped and opened fire on the first police car.. it reversed away from the scene.

as it backed up,.. the pair started shooting and throwing grenades

as several other police arrived they started responding to the gunfire.. (shooting back) (about 4 to 6 officers)

soon after one officer was hit and is critical...

at one point more grenades and a pressure cooker bomb were thrown at police..

the older suspect scarring the street.

the older son at one point stood up and walked towards the officers shooting.. but soon ran out of ammo.. he had been shot already..

the police tackled him.. and was cuffing him when the younger brother drove at the officers.. and ran over the older brother killing him... and rammed past the other police cars..

at this point the police stopped the pursuit and dealt with the wounded officer and the older brother..


where was the gestapo?.. where was the excessive response?..


as for the number of officers involved.. there are easily 6- 7 thousand officers in the larger Boston metropolitan area.. 2000 to 2500 state police officers.. and supposedly national guard and federal assets assigned to assist..

most of the 9000 would be there anyways in one way or another..

it is not abnormal to call up more then needed to make sure enough officers are in place if needed..

most probably didn't see or do much.. I can honestly say when you get assigned to a detail it is usually about the most boring several days of your life..

most of the on scene officers ..(those called in to the actual scenes) are those with special skills..

some of these scenes take days to process.. especially if a life is taken.. as every little detail must be documented.

that alone takes dozens of officers.. with special training.



sure there are always a few gloryhounds who rush to the scene and try to make a name for them selves.. with rambo like efforts..

they usually get noticed for it.. and not in a good way..

to throw out gestapo and compare this to Waco or other law enforcement mistakes is wrong and unfair to the thousands of officers who went and did their duty and did it well..

AMEN- your description hits the nail on the head and besides Kola's is the first sane post I've seen come out of this bunch of anarchist conspiracists....
 

Tam

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Well Steve maybe you would care to explain the rapid gun fire reported by witnesses on the streets of Waterton that night, especially when the perp was reportedly laying in a boat covered in blood and thought to be dead by the guy that found him and called his location into the police?

HE apparently was not shooting at these Specially trained scene officers since he was found to be UNARMED so are these Specially Trained Officers trained to open fire first and ask questions later?

BTW according to you the larger Boston Metro. has 6 to 7 thousand cops so if they were, according to the media, all on the streets in Waterton looking for one guy who was on the streets in the rest of the larger Boston Metro protecting citizens from day to day crime? :?

Just saying the whole thing seems to be a bit of overkill by law enforcement, media and government officials when you consider the reaction to any other normal NON TERRORIST LABELED crime.
 

Tam

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Whitewing said:
I've read the entire thread but can't find Kola's post. Can you link it or was it something you saw on C-Span?

I read back through the whole thread too and what I didn't notice was anyone doing this.
to throw out gestapo and compare this to Waco or other law enforcement mistakes is wrong and unfair to the thousands of officers who went and did their duty and did it well..

Nowhere did I see Gestapo or Waco mentioned so I'm guessing you can no longer question any actions of the law enforcement without risking someone confusing your comments to Other Law enforcement mistakes. :roll:
 
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Tam said:
Well Steve maybe you would care to explain the rapid gun fire reported by witnesses on the streets of Waterton that night, especially when the perp was reportedly laying in a boat covered in blood and thought to be dead by the guy that found him and called his location into the police?

HE apparently was not shooting at these Specially trained scene officers since he was found to be UNARMED so are these Specially Trained Officers trained to open fire first and ask questions later?

TAM-- was that gunfire or flashbangs.. When I first heard it I thought it was gunfire- but later heard them describe it as flashbangs.... They have flashbangs that sound like a Ma Deuce in your backyard.... Sounds like 100 firecrackers- or one of those big fourth of July rockets that keeps banging for several seconds...
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Well Steve maybe you would care to explain the rapid gun fire reported by witnesses on the streets of Waterton that night, especially when the perp was reportedly laying in a boat covered in blood and thought to be dead by the guy that found him and called his location into the police?

HE apparently was not shooting at these Specially trained scene officers since he was found to be UNARMED so are these Specially Trained Officers trained to open fire first and ask questions later?

TAM-- was that gunfire or flashbangs.. When I first heard it I thought it was gunfire- but later heard them describe it as flashbangs.... They have flashbangs that sound like a Ma Deuce in your backyard.... Sounds like 100 firecrackers- or one of those big fourth of July rockets that keeps banging for several seconds...

When the Gestapo first approached the boat, there was an "Exchange Of Gunfire" (according to the Police Chief). This was said much before they admitted he was unarmed.

Later, when everyone gathered their senses & had the helicopter determine someone was laying in the Boat ( :lol: ) they threw flash-bangs in to flush him out..................

Why did they shoot first?
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Well Steve maybe you would care to explain the rapid gun fire reported by witnesses on the streets of Waterton that night, especially when the perp was reportedly laying in a boat covered in blood and thought to be dead by the guy that found him and called his location into the police?

HE apparently was not shooting at these Specially trained scene officers since he was found to be UNARMED so are these Specially Trained Officers trained to open fire first and ask questions later?

TAM-- was that gunfire or flashbangs.. When I first heard it I thought it was gunfire- but later heard them describe it as flashbangs.... They have flashbangs that sound like a Ma Deuce in your backyard.... Sounds like 100 firecrackers- or one of those big fourth of July rockets that keeps banging for several seconds...

The boat owner who spotted him had actually lifted up the tarp on the boat and saw the suspect. He told Team 5 Investigates that Tsarnaev didn't move so he thought he was dead, and that's when a massive law enforcement presence swarmed the neighborhood.

There was a massive exchange of gunfire. The FBI hostage rescue team was on hand in case negotiation or communication was needed. Unmanned robots were on scene and the state police helicopter used infrared technology from above and picked up a heat signal under the tarp of the boat.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
I listened to the police commissioner/chief in Watertown mass explain the first part of the shoot out.. where the older brother was killed..

and haven't heard or seen an official account of the younger brother last few minutes..

and it appeared like nothing was out of the ordinary from the police actions on the scene..

basically they were pursuing two suspects.. the car stopped and opened fire on the first police car.. it reversed away from the scene.

as it backed up,.. the pair started shooting and throwing grenades

as several other police arrived they started responding to the gunfire.. (shooting back) (about 4 to 6 officers)

soon after one officer was hit and is critical...

at one point more grenades and a pressure cooker bomb were thrown at police..

the older suspect scarring the street.

the older son at one point stood up and walked towards the officers shooting.. but soon ran out of ammo.. he had been shot already..

the police tackled him.. and was cuffing him when the younger brother drove at the officers.. and ran over the older brother killing him... and rammed past the other police cars..

at this point the police stopped the pursuit and dealt with the wounded officer and the older brother..


where was the gestapo?.. where was the excessive response?..


as for the number of officers involved.. there are easily 6- 7 thousand officers in the larger Boston metropolitan area.. 2000 to 2500 state police officers.. and supposedly national guard and federal assets assigned to assist..

most of the 9000 would be there anyways in one way or another..

it is not abnormal to call up more then needed to make sure enough officers are in place if needed..

most probably didn't see or do much.. I can honestly say when you get assigned to a detail it is usually about the most boring several days of your life..

most of the on scene officers ..(those called in to the actual scenes) are those with special skills..

some of these scenes take days to process.. especially if a life is taken.. as every little detail must be documented.

that alone takes dozens of officers.. with special training.



sure there are always a few gloryhounds who rush to the scene and try to make a name for them selves.. with rambo like efforts..

they usually get noticed for it.. and not in a good way..

to throw out gestapo and compare this to Waco or other law enforcement mistakes is wrong and unfair to the thousands of officers who went and did their duty and did it well..

AMEN- your description hits the nail on the head and besides Kola's is the first sane post I've seen come out of this bunch of anarchist conspiracists....

So we are now anarchist conspiracists because we dare ask why rapid gun fire was heard when the perp was apparently not returning fire as he was bleeding and had no gun. :roll:


Police Brutality: The Use of Excessive Force"

David Mangan

Drury University

Introduction:

Members of the police force are government officials who enforce the laws and maintain order. They are engaged in a dangerous and stressful occupation that can involve violent situations that must be controlled. In many of these confrontations with the public it may become necessary for the police to administer force to take control of a situation. Sometimes this force takes the form of hand-to-hand combat with a suspect who resists being arrested. The police do have strict guidelines to follow when using force. Force should be used in only the minimum amount needed to achieve a legitimate purpose. The New York Police Department has these five stages set through which the use of force can progress. 1) verbal persuasion, 2) unarmed physical force, 3) force using non-lethal weapons, 4) force using impact weapons, 5) deadly force (AIUSAPolice Brutality 1999:2). They also have many tools at their disposal when the need for using force arises. These include the police baton, mace, tasers, handcuffs, police dogs, and firearms. An officer of the law can be properly trained to administer the law in an unbiased way that will not violate a citizen’s rights, however, this is not happening across the United States.

According to a recent Amnesty International study, there are thousands of reports each year of assault and ill treatment against officers who use excessive force and violate the human rights of their victims (AIUSA Rights 1999:1). Police officers are injuring and even killing people through the use of excessive force and brutal treatment. A significant problem in this area is that police behavior is abusive of civilian rights, but it is also considered necessary and appropriate police procedure (Geller, 1996:7). In many cases police go too far when they excessively punch, kick, beat, and shoot people who pose no threat. Injuries and sometimes death result from the police use of restraints, chemical sprays, electro-shock weapons, batons, dogs, flashlights, radios, and guns (AIUSA Rights 1999:1-3). Police brutality cases have received more attention due to some of the high profile cases that reach the media. The use of excessive force is a criminal act, it is in fact a type of white collar crime.

To understand the causes of police brutality requires an interdisciplinary approach. The criminal justice system, police profession and the psychology profession ought to work together to identify these possible causes and their prevention and law treatment. As I will discuss later there is difficulty in pursuing brutality offenders because there is a lack of coordination between the justice system and police organizations. The justice system wants to punish offenders, but the police structure seems to encourage excessive use of force. The police profession must come to recognize that brutality is a crime and all three of the professions must work to discourage future acts.

Oldtimer you might want to bury your head in the sandbox and deny law enforcement officers sometimes go overboard in the heat of the moment but it happens all the time and some people are not as forgiving to it as YOU. RIOTS have started and property destroyed due to Law Enforcements abuse of power. The problem only worsens when people don't question their actions and rein them in before they cross that line.

I hope the young terrorist doesn't get off as he deserves to be treated like what he is a TERRORIST but his family already believes their sons were set up so the question is will they be looking at the media coverage for anything that might help defend their living son?

Do you think the media reports of rapid gun fire just before their unarmed bleeding son was taken into custody is going to go un-noticed by their defence team? :roll:

Just to clarify I'm not saying they used undue force I'M ASKING WERE THEY USING JUST FORCE CONSIDERING THE REPORTS OF THE PERPS CONDITION AND THE FACT HE WAS UNARMED.

If we all remember right Zimmerman in Florida is going on trial because he shot an unarmed teenager that was coming after him in the intent of killing him by bashing his head into the ground. ANd Trayvons family just walked away with a big settlement in that case.
 

Mike

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Good job, Tam, but I just want to know why they shot holes in the man's boat? That was a nice boat! :???: :???:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Well Steve maybe you would care to explain the rapid gun fire reported by witnesses on the streets of Waterton that night, especially when the perp was reportedly laying in a boat covered in blood and thought to be dead by the guy that found him and called his location into the police?

HE apparently was not shooting at these Specially trained scene officers since he was found to be UNARMED so are these Specially Trained Officers trained to open fire first and ask questions later?

TAM-- was that gunfire or flashbangs.. When I first heard it I thought it was gunfire- but later heard them describe it as flashbangs.... They have flashbangs that sound like a Ma Deuce in your backyard.... Sounds like 100 firecrackers- or one of those big fourth of July rockets that keeps banging for several seconds...

Since neither you or I were there Oldtimer :wink: I would have to take the word of those on the ground in Boston to what they heard and according to them and the 24/7 media coverage it was automatic gun fire. :roll: But I'm sure with your trained ear you could teach all those that live in the Watertown neighborhood how they misheard what was going on in their backyard. :roll:

Jay Blitzman, 63, a juvenile court judge who lives about a block away, said he was walking in the direction of Henneberry's house after police first allowed residents out of their homes when a stream of police vehicles rushed down the street.

"Then we heard rapid gunfire - it sounded like automatic gunfire," and police ordered everyone back inside, Blitzman said.
 

Tam

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Mike said:
Good job, Tam, but I just want to know why they shot holes in the man's boat? That was a nice boat! :???: :???:

Maybe the boat owner will have a case of undue force on the killing of his boat :wink:

Did you notice how Oldtimer came after me when all I was doing was quoting your post, I guess he didn't want to know why you thought it was rapid gun fire. :wink:
 

Mike

Well-known member
Tam said:
Mike said:
Good job, Tam, but I just want to know why they shot holes in the man's boat? That was a nice boat! :???: :???:

Maybe the boat owner will have a case of undue force on the killing of his boat :wink:

Did you notice how Oldtimer came after me when all I was doing was quoting your post, I guess he didn't want to know why you thought it was rapid gun fire. :wink:

The only thing I notice he does is act stupid.
A friend of Henneberry's who lives nearby, told ABC News that Henneberry discovered Tsarnaev when he went outside "to get some fresh air."



Boat owner won't be happy if craft now has bullet holes

WATERTOWN, Mass. — The man who found the Boston bombing suspect in his boat Friday night may be a hero, but he's an angry hero if the boat got shot up in the gunfire that preceded the fugitive's capture, one of his neighbors said.

The boat owner, David Henneberry a retired New England Telephone worker, noticed that the shrink-wrap cover on the trailered boat in his backyard had been disturbed. He looked inside, saw what looked like a body lying there and called police, his stepson and a neighbor told reporters. Neighbors said they heard dozens of shots Friday night around the time Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was taken into custody.

The boat "is his pride and joy," said Chris Kelly, 63, of Manchester by the Sea, Mass., who owns an unoccupied rental property two houses away. "He'll be (ticked) as hell if it has bullet holes in it."

Police allowed Kelly to check on his property Saturday afternoon. He said he saw Henneberry's boat. It was covered not with the white-shrink wrap that protected it all winter but with a dark green tarp. Around it, people in black FBI jackets searched for evidence on their hands and knees and marked places with little orange flags, Kelly said.


Robert Duffy, Henneberry's stepson, told the New York Daily News that Henneberry on Friday evening noticed one of the straps on the tarp had been cut.

George Pizzuto, a friend of Henneberry's who lives nearby, told ABC News that Henneberry discovered Tsarnaev when he went outside "to get some fresh air" after Gov. Deval Patrick lifted a curfew imposed on Boston-area residents, and in Watertown in particular, while police conducted an intense door-to-door manhunt.

"He went up a ladder, pulled up the zip cover and thought he saw what looked like a body lying in the boat," Pizzuto said.

Until the owner of the boat called police to alert them to the discovery of the bloody suspect, investigators did not know where Tsarnaev was and were concerned about losing his trail.

"We just didn't know,'' a federal law enforcement official said. "And we didn't know how far he could go. We couldn't find him, and there was concern as every hour passed.''

The official, who has been briefed on the matter but is not authorized to comment publicly, said authorities were considering other possible locations away from the Watertown neighborhood, when the owner of the boat called with the stunning discovery.

"He was very key to this,'' the official said of the owner's alert to police.

When police arrived, the official said they were able to make contact with the suspect in the boat, while a helicopter equipped with infra-red technology detected movement inside the boat.

The official did not know what the suspect told the officers, but there was discussion about whether the suspect was armed.


This image from CBS News Friday shows Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, after he was found hiding in a boat in the Boston suburb of Watertown.(Photo: CBS News via AFP/Getty Images)
When he was taken into custody, the official said, Tsarnaev was not armed and no explosives were found in his possession.

Jay Blitzman, 63, a juvenile court judge who lives about a block away, said he was walking in the direction of Henneberry's house after police first allowed residents out of their homes when a stream of police vehicles rushed down the street.

"Then we heard rapid gunfire — it sounded like automatic gunfire," and police ordered everyone back inside, Blitzman said.

Pizzuto said there also were loud explosive sounds, but he didn't know whether they were caused by police or the suspect. Police were hesitant to enter the boat because they feared the man inside could be wired with explosives, he said.

Police interviewed Henneberry extensively and he was shaken by the whole experience, Pizzuto said.

Henneberry might get his boat out on the water again, though.

Dozens of people on Twitter had sent messages congratulating him for his role in Tsarnaev's capture. Many said they want to raise money to replace or restore his boat.

"We need to get Dave Henneberry a new boat," said Joseph Houk, @jwhouk, who describes himself in Twitter profile as "a Cheesehead Sports fan and Philosopher" from the Great North Woods of Wisconsin.
 

hypocritexposer

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Maybe this wasn't an act of terrorism...could be that the stress of college loans etc. is too much.

Kind of like "workplace violence"

Don't be too quick to jump to conclusions and group all terrorists together. :roll:
 
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