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get ready to disclose your personal health info to the IRS

garn

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The hospital cann't tell your next door neighbor if you are in the hospital, but get ready to disclose your personal health information to the IRS.

http://www.atr.org/new-obamacare-tax-form-mandates-americans-a7285
 

TSR

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Man I hope so. As I stated earlier, while in the ER a young man came in that said he was having trouble seeing (although he drove himself to the ER) due to his welding job. He had to miss work and had no insurance. Now at least they will have some skin in the game, increasing each yr. being deducted from their tax returns. BTW a lot of these who don't have insurance make pretty decent money and could afford it. The other day I heard a woman who called in to C-Span griping about her monthly insurance premium for her family of four "going up to $527 monthly" her husband was a physical therapist. Maybe they can scrape by somehow. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
Man I hope so. As I stated earlier, while in the ER a young man came in that said he was having trouble seeing (although he drove himself to the ER) due to his welding job. He had to miss work and had no insurance. Now at least they will have some skin in the game, increasing each yr. being deducted from their tax returns. BTW a lot of these who don't have insurance make pretty decent money and could afford it. The other day I heard a woman who called in to C-Span griping about her monthly insurance premium for her family of four "going up to $527 monthly" her husband was a physical therapist. Maybe they can scrape by somehow. :roll:


How do you know he didn't pay cash for the visit?

someone else paying for only the services they take advantage of, lowers your insurance premiums.

Having everyone insured for services they don't need, raises everyone elses premiums.
 
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Anonymous

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TSR said:
Man I hope so. As I stated earlier, while in the ER a young man came in that said he was having trouble seeing (although he drove himself to the ER) due to his welding job. He had to miss work and had no insurance. Now at least they will have some skin in the game, increasing each yr. being deducted from their tax returns. BTW a lot of these who don't have insurance make pretty decent money and could afford it. The other day I heard a woman who called in to C-Span griping about her monthly insurance premium for her family of four "going up to $527 monthly" her husband was a physical therapist. Maybe they can scrape by somehow. :roll:

Yep- I agree-- and I hope these cheap skate unresponsibles that can afford insurance are tracked down and made to pay... As it is now-- about the only ones that can be tracked down thru most state and federal agencies are dead beat Dads skipping out on child support... Those not being responsible and paying their fair share for their or their families health insurance should be included...
Especially since many of these- as transient construction/oil patch workers are some of the top wage earners in many areas....
 

TSR

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hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
Man I hope so. As I stated earlier, while in the ER a young man came in that said he was having trouble seeing (although he drove himself to the ER) due to his welding job. He had to miss work and had no insurance. Now at least they will have some skin in the game, increasing each yr. being deducted from their tax returns. BTW a lot of these who don't have insurance make pretty decent money and could afford it. The other day I heard a woman who called in to C-Span griping about her monthly insurance premium for her family of four "going up to $527 monthly" her husband was a physical therapist. Maybe they can scrape by somehow. :roll:


How do you know he didn't pay cash for the visit?

someone else paying for only the services they take advantage of, lowers your insurance premiums.

Having everyone insured for services they don't need, raises everyone elses premiums.

How did I know he didn't pay cash??? I know the guy! There are 1000's like him. Tell me how having everyone insured (and paying something) such as the guy that came in the ER when I was there, will raise my premium as opposed to them paying nothing?
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
Man I hope so. As I stated earlier, while in the ER a young man came in that said he was having trouble seeing (although he drove himself to the ER) due to his welding job. He had to miss work and had no insurance. Now at least they will have some skin in the game, increasing each yr. being deducted from their tax returns. BTW a lot of these who don't have insurance make pretty decent money and could afford it. The other day I heard a woman who called in to C-Span griping about her monthly insurance premium for her family of four "going up to $527 monthly" her husband was a physical therapist. Maybe they can scrape by somehow. :roll:


How do you know he didn't pay cash for the visit?

someone else paying for only the services they take advantage of, lowers your insurance premiums.

Having everyone insured for services they don't need, raises everyone elses premiums.



So this "young man" who you know now, got a bill in the mail, which he refused to pay?

Is that what you are saying?
 

TSR

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hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
How do you know he didn't pay cash for the visit?

someone else paying for only the services they take advantage of, lowers your insurance premiums.

Having everyone insured for services they don't need, raises everyone elses premiums.



So this "young man" who you know now, got a bill in the mail, which he refused to pay?

Is that what you are saying?

Are you saying this doesn't happen?
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
So this "young man" who you know now, got a bill in the mail, which he refused to pay?

Is that what you are saying?

Are you saying this doesn't happen?


sure it happens. But you are claiming that it happened in this case, but offer no evidence of the fact.

If you are offering up a hypothetical, say so.

But quit lying, in an attempt to support your agenda.
 
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Anonymous

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TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
So this "young man" who you know now, got a bill in the mail, which he refused to pay?

Is that what you are saying?

Are you saying this doesn't happen?

Happens everyday-- and often it is folks earning $100,000 + a year-- out for their night off - get drunk- in a wreck--- run up a several hundred thousand dollar bill--- then when released from hospital just skip out on the bill- move to the next big dollar construction/oil patch/etal area-- and under current law unless it involves skipped out child support have little way of being tracked...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
Are you saying this doesn't happen?

Happens everyday-- and often it is folks earning $100,000 + a year-- out for their night off - get drunk- in a wreck--- run up a several hundred thousand dollar bill--- then when released from hospital just skip out on the bill- move to the next big dollar construction/oil patch/etal area-- and under current law unless it involves skipped out child support have little way of being tracked...


Happens everyday in Canada too.

People going to the doctor or hospital when there is no need. Doctors and hospitals still charge, which raises the cost to the governmnet, which we as taxpayers are billed for.

Our medical costs are rising by the same % as in the US.

If you guys were correct, that having everyone insured , lowers costs, to the insured, Canada's costs would be going down, not up.
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
Are you saying this doesn't happen?

Happens everyday-- and often it is folks earning $100,000 + a year-- out for their night off - get drunk- in a wreck--- run up a several hundred thousand dollar bill--- then when released from hospital just skip out on the bill- move to the next big dollar construction/oil patch/etal area-- and under current law unless it involves skipped out child support have little way of being tracked...

OT talking about "drunks" makes me snicker.
 

TSR

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
TSR said:
Happens everyday-- and often it is folks earning $100,000 + a year-- out for their night off - get drunk- in a wreck--- run up a several hundred thousand dollar bill--- then when released from hospital just skip out on the bill- move to the next big dollar construction/oil patch/etal area-- and under current law unless it involves skipped out child support have little way of being tracked...


Happens everyday in Canada too.

People going to the doctor or hospital when there is no need. Doctors and hospitals still charge, which raises the cost to the governmnet, which we as taxpayers are billed for.

Our medical costs are rising by the same % as in the US.

If you guys were correct, that having everyone insured , lowers costs, to the insured, Canada's costs would be going down, not up.

Who in Canada pays nothing towards health insurance???
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
Who in Canada pays nothing towards health insurance???


Who, or how many?

I doubt I can gather all their names, but I'm pretty sure I can get some numbers together for you.

I don't know the same "young men", or later friends, that you know the financials of, and whether they pay their bils or not, but...

...if Health Care is paid through taxes, then it would be pretty eaasy to find out the number of people that don't pay taxes, I would think.

How many won't pay for Health insurance, under obamacare?

Will non-citiens, that don't pay taxes/ Will those that refuse to pay their bills? Will those under the age of 26? Will those that make under a certain amount of income?


And what will they not be paying for? Free birth control? Free abortions? Free face lifts and breast augmentation? How about Dental and eye care? Free hospital stays?

Maybe you should find what is covered in Canada, before you start comparing the 2 systems.

Then take into accounnt demand. when you start giving out things for "free", supply starts to take a hit.

wait times
quality of service
etc.

We in Canada are going the other way. a more hybrid system, with morre private and reduced government.

you are trying to re-invent the wheel and criticizing/demonizing and mocking those that are trying to give you sound advice.


Have you alwys had a hard time learning? Or is it something you have only learned after becoming a progressive?
 

smalltime

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All my life Larry :D Do you realy think so hopalong?I have friends and family who work in the oil and coal fields.I take offence when some rich Venazualean farmer starts calling my children names.If it werent for that so called trash all you high and mighty,s like to run down,You would all be sitting in the cold dark wishing your tractor would run.
 

hopalong

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LOL at the clueless little one!!!!
Since when does poor white trash make sure my tractor runs, or one of my planes fly.
And yes I think you are LIBERAL.
When did anyone call your chidren names, or are you taking after oldtimer and making up false accuastions ??
 
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