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We need reminders like this, so we remember we are again fighting a World Wide War--like it or not......
 

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I thought maybe I would get thrown off of ranchers net. But if so, I wouldn't hang my head... I think we all need a reality check once in a while....
 

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wish my connection would let me open this and see what the fuss is about. :cry:
 

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Thanks Katrina!!!! When will the world mass ever really understand the magnitude of what will happen if we don't stop these terrorists!!!!!
 

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reader (the Second) said:
It was provocative. You probably need a certain media player for it, which usually you can download for free.

Oh come on now! It was WAYYYYYY better than "provocative"!
 

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reader (the Second) said:
Cal said:
reader (the Second) said:
It was provocative. You probably need a certain media player for it, which usually you can download for free.

Oh come on now! It was WAYYYYYY better than "provocative"!

I thought that the polarizing parts detracted from the message which was the enemy is the enemy and making whiny excuses for them is ridiculous. We should have gone after UBL in Afghanistan OURSELVES until we got him.

I hope you agree with that.

UBL? What makes you think we didn't go after OBL ourselves, and how many man hours should be devoted to something like that after the majority of his trained monkeys have been killed? Lots of caves in Afghanistan, if he's even there.
 

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reader (the Second) said:
Usama - Osama (the latter is probably closer to the Arabic). UBL is what the CIA called him. My understanding is that we paid Afghanis to go after him as we turned our attention to nation building in Afghanistan and war and nation building in Iraq. Let me know if I am wrong on this.

If you consider allied forces as "paid", I geuss you could consider that correct. Afghan is one helluva place, as the Russians found out. I don't know how we could justify exclusively devoting US forces to comb every cave and mountain looking for this towel-headed goat raper. If you think about it, the end doesn't justify the means. It makes much more sense to erode his power, which has been done. Can you find proof (verses speculation) that US allies actually let bin Laden go or had him positively located?
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"Avalanching" Bin Laden
By Stephen Brown
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 10, 2004


They are smoking the rats out of their holes.

The joint American-Pakistani military offensive, launched recently in the rugged Afghan-Pakistani border region, is making life difficult for Islamist forces. About 2,000 of the 12,000 American troops stationed in Afghanistan are involved in the action, dubbed “Operation Avalanche,” to eliminate the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and other armed Islamist groups, and to capture their leaders. The American soldiers are positioned on the Afghan side of the border in what is termed a “hammer and anvil” operation: about 70,000 Pakistani troops are acting as the hammer to drive the Islamists across the border into the waiting American anvil.

At one point it was claimed that the allied forces had surrounded Osama bin Laden, however this turned out to be premature. Nevertheless, the military offensive has already achieved some successes. Besides the jihadists forced from their Pakistani refuge back across the Afghan border, the Pakistanis claim to have captured more than 20 foreigners, including nationals from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen. As well, among their number was Khalid al-Zawahiri, son of Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who recently released a taped message that threatened more terrorist strikes against the United States. The Pakistanis have also arrested 15 people for aiding the Taliban.

The first phase of Operation Avalanche is taking place in the tribal areas of Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province. Created by the British as a buffer between pre-partition India and Afghanistan, the North-West Frontier Province is made up of seven different tribal areas and contains a population of about six million. The Pakistani government exercises little control in the province where, besides a safe haven, the Islamist groups find support and recruits among the mostly Pashtun population.

And with its long (2,400 kilometers), porous border with Afghanistan, the region has long been a thorn in the side of the American military and the Afghan government, as it was for the Soviets in the 1980s. Taliban and al-Qaeda adherents fled there after the American invasion of Afghanistan more than two years ago, where they continue to stage attacks against allied forces and UN aid workers. One hundred US soldiers alone have died in Afghanistan since the invasion.

Pakistan's President General Pervez Musharraf is cooperating in the hunt for bin Laden as well as in the battle against the new jihad forming against coalition troops in Afghanistan. Since 9/11, Pakistan has been an important ally of the United States in the War on Terror, having captured more than 550 suspected Taliban and al-Qaeda operatives. Pakistani authorities have also allowed the FBI to set up office in their country where its officials interrogate captured terrorists, listen in on the communications network and conduct other intelligence gathering operations.

After 9/11, Pakistan pretty much had to join the American side in the War on Terror or suffer such consequences as aid reduction, refused loans, and a ban on weapons sales. America granted $395 million in aid to its ally last January, while another $3 billion has been promised to the South Asian country over the next five years. In addition, America will not sanction Pakistan for its role in the recently revealed nuclear proliferation scandal involving that country, receiving instead permission for American troops to operate on Pakistani territory in the spring.

The Pakistani army, often accused of hindering efforts against the Taliban due to Islamist sympathizers in its ranks, appears to be taking Operation Avalanche seriously. It has cut off all access into and out of the region and has ordered the tribes in the affected areas to cooperate or face such punishments as home demolitions. One observer says the tribesmen now cannot even drive around with tinted windows or they face three years in jail, confiscation of their vehicles and a $1,200 fine.

The strategy of the Islamist forces under attack is simply to lie low until the spring when they can launch their own offensive, possibly against Afghan cities. They will also continue their suicide bombing campaign. The Islamists have gained ground in Afghanistan in recent months, especially in the rural, southern Pashtun areas, and are threatening to undo all the gains made since the invasion.

The American-Pakistani offensive was launched at this time due to this worsening security situation in Afghanistan, which has caused a postponement of the Afghan elections, a step regarded as crucial in the rebuilding of the country. The campaign is meant to preempt any Islamist spring attack, as well. Besides, after two years in the country American forces believe they are much better prepared, intelligence- and military-wise, for such a large operation that is expected to last many months with the destruction of the Islamist forces as its ultimate goal. The capture of Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, while a very welcome bonus, are of secondary importance.

Concurrent with military operations, efforts are also being made to split the Islamist resistance by offering certain leaders a roll in the Afghan political process if they cease their attacks. Nevertheless the current offensive, unlike others in the past, still has as its goal the complete destruction of all Islamist forces. This, it is realized, is an important prerequisite for any peaceful political solution in Afghanistan, something which that unfortunate country has long desperately needed.
 

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