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Give this serious thought....

kolanuraven

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First the question.

Let's say you had a child who had a serious illness that could be fatal in most cases. And lets say that the ONLY cure was a cure that had been developed by the use of human embryo research and this was an absolute 100% cure. Would you use this cure on your child or let the child die?


Reason for asking: I had a conversation with a person and his child suffers from a horrible case of skin eczema, now I mean to the point where her immune system and her life is challenged due to the open skin lesions, infections etc. I've seen the child and this looks almost like leprosy.

Anyhoo...the talk came around to cures and whatnot and he stated that if there was a cure and IF it was derived in any way, shape or form from embryo research he'd let her die .

I must admit I was floored by this statement. He is adamantly pro life and to a degree I've never encountered.

Thoughts please........
 

Mrs.Greg

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I know this will not go over real big because I am very pro-life :!: :!: But my thinking is as much as i HATE,and I mean HATE abortion,I think if something good can come out of it why not.I would never,ever put my childs life on the line for MY belief...thats just me and MHO
 

Bullhauler

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All i know is when the day comes that cures are found alot of these people that have been fighting against stem cell research will be first in line for a cure. The rich ones will be flying overseas for a cure cuz that is where all the research is taking place now. This issue has never has had anything to do with abortion it it simply another wedge issue to fire up the extreme right.
 

kolanuraven

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Abortion, the word, NEVER came into the conversation.

He meant that he'd not use any drugs, cures, etc that came from EMBRYO research. Using the cells from collected eggs, either in clinics that won't be used or cells created from existing stem cell lines.

Of course all that is a fine line of semantics I suppose.

I was stunned by his response!!!
 

Judith

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O Boy that is a tough call because I know alot of extreme pro-lifers that will not have anything to do with this line of research. But I am a sucker for children and could not bear to lose my son because of my personal beliefs. He may not share those beliefs. The choice would be his.
 

Mrs.Greg

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kolanuraven said:
Abortion, the word, NEVER came into the conversation.

He meant that he'd not use any drugs, cures, etc that came from EMBRYO research. Using the cells from collected eggs, either in clinics that won't be used or cells created from existing stem cell lines.

Of course all that is a fine line of semantics I suppose.

I was stunned by his response!!!
Oops sorry,I wasn't reading it properly...but comes down to the same thing in a way....I still would not force my idea on my childs life.A friend of mine is Jehova witness,and says she would not let her child have a blood transfussion if it would save the childs life because its against HER religion....I couldn't do that.
 

jigs

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I do not see how a person can put religious or political views in front of the life of their own child. I am anti abortion, and am not sold on harvesting fetus for stem cells, however, if my child were in a spot where that was the ONLY cure....hell yes, anything, at any price.
 

kolanuraven

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Well....for once I agree with you all that the ' cure' for the child would be the upmost of importance and worry about the details later.

It was just something I could not get out of my head and thought I'd throw it at you and see what the general concensus here might be.

There are alot of Jehovah Witness Churches here in the South and they against blood transfusions, etc.
 

Steve

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Kolanuraven
He meant that he'd not use any drugs, cures, etc that came from EMBRYO research. Using the cells from collected eggs, either in clinics that won't be used or cells created from existing stem cell lines.


My stance is fairly firm,... in that for much of the cures to work using embryos,.. they must have a near genetic match ,...similar to kidney, liver, bone marrow transplants, ect,.... and this will lead to embryos being made to order....

While I would commend his stand on the issues.....issues is not the point when a child's life is in the balance.,...and to not use the research to save a child seems like taking to harsh a stance on an issue...
but, as there is still no cure in existence, so it is still just an issue, and not a child's life.

When the cure is actually found then the really tough decisions have to be made. until then we are just debating.....and the child will not benefit from that either.
 

Work Hard and Study Hard

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Bullhauler said:
All i know is when the day comes that cures are found alot of these people that have been fighting against stem cell research will be first in line for a cure. The rich ones will be flying overseas for a cure cuz that is where all the research is taking place now. This issue has never has had anything to do with abortion it it simply another wedge issue to fire up the extreme right.

Jeez, finally another South Dakotan that does't get his talking points from Rush or Hannity. It's great to be able to form an opinion on an issue without listening to AM talk radio isn't it.
 

aplusmnt

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There is two kinds of approaches to issues like this. Is the person a radical that will not allow any type of treatment for their child, or do they choose one treatment over another for religious beliefs?

Say with the blood issue of JW's they believe blood to be sacred and not to be eaten or injected in any way. But they do not refuse medical treatment. Most do not realize there is usually alternatives, like when choosing blood many times you can go the route of blood expander's or thinners instead of actual blood. When the scare of Aids became at its peak many choose these same alternatives that were not JW's.

In the end most people would not refuse treatment for their children, but many will choose other alternatives versus things that go against their religious beliefs.

Just like many would take their chances of death instead of having an Abortion even if something was terribly wrong with the pregnancy. Some call that stupid some call it strong religious convictions.
 

jigs

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Work Hard and Study Hard said:
Bullhauler said:
All i know is when the day comes that cures are found alot of these people that have been fighting against stem cell research will be first in line for a cure. The rich ones will be flying overseas for a cure cuz that is where all the research is taking place now. This issue has never has had anything to do with abortion it it simply another wedge issue to fire up the extreme right.

Jeez, finally another South Dakotan that does't get his talking points from Rush or Hannity. It's great to be able to form an opinion on an issue without listening to AM talk radio isn't it.

you should listen to Rush more often....might set you down the right path...
 

kolanuraven

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This was adamant....no way...no how...let nature take it's course IF any of the " cures" ( which they don't have any cures for that disease right now) were related to or derived from any type of embryo cell research.

That was what took the air out of my lungs.

To be honest, I thought to myself and almost said out loud, " You selfish bastard!"
 

Work Hard and Study Hard

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jigs said:
Work Hard and Study Hard said:
Bullhauler said:
All i know is when the day comes that cures are found alot of these people that have been fighting against stem cell research will be first in line for a cure. The rich ones will be flying overseas for a cure cuz that is where all the research is taking place now. This issue has never has had anything to do with abortion it it simply another wedge issue to fire up the extreme right.

Jeez, finally another South Dakotan that does't get his talking points from Rush or Hannity. It's great to be able to form an opinion on an issue without listening to AM talk radio isn't it.

you should listen to Rush more often....might set you down the right path...

Yeah Rush really is a beacon of morality isn't he.
 

RoperAB

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I heard a couple of months ago on AM radia that they can now get stem cells from birthing fliud and that it looks like they dont or wont need aborted babys in the future?
To be honest I lean to the pro life crowd in my views, but there is nothing I would not do to save or help one of my own children.
Now on the news this morning they showed two Ontario teenagers who are parilized from the waste down. They just got back from China where they had Stem cell injections into their spinal cords. They say it will take 6 months before they can both walk again but the one girl has some movement in her legs already.
I tell you whats scary. #1 China right now is ahead of us in medical research. #2 This morning China shot down with a missile one of there own satelites that was in space. Just think about how screwed our military will be if they can shoot down satelites.
We are losing our edge like a third generation rich kid.
 

jigs

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China is a big concern of mine. they are a force to be reckoned with. I imagine they are sitting back watching us in Iraq, waiting for the time to pounce.....can we stop them???
 

RoperAB

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I dont see any concern of war with them right today or tommorow. But future clashes over world resouces or of Chinas interests in different regions of the world sure could happen. Maybe a different regime will have different ideas about expansion of communism or of chinas borders?
My biggest concern is that China keeps getting stronger and the US keeps getting weaker. The balance of world power is steadily slipping away from the US.
Canada and other allied nations that are truly friends like Australia and the UK really dont have much to offer.
Its not only China but even Packistan and India have the potential to be real players in the future.
How can we have real trade with China when our small businesses are expected to compete against government owned chinesse companies with unlimited resources, slave labour and no enviriomental laws to worry about?
In the short term we are getting cheap goods but we are hurting ourselves in the long run.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Brought this up because I have a question one of you may have the answer to,recently in Canada a B.C couple had sextuplits{sp}three have died already and the parents want to sue because the government over ruled thier Jehova witness belief of no blood transfusions and went ahead and gave three of the babies blood transfusions.Also this weekend one of my co-workers got a needle stick and went through our protocol for needle sticks,one of the other girls that work in the same building had a huge fit hoping this girl wouldn't need a blood transfusion{not part of the protocol} Shes also Jehova......Ok my question is Why the fear of transfusions among Jehovas,what is the reasoning behind this,anyone know??? Thx
 

Mrs.Greg

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/medical.htm


I googled and found this site.
Thanks Kola.....what really interested me was the reaction this girl had to my co-worker...she was horrified at the chance she might need a transfusion,said the blood was FULL of things :???: Anyway I stopped the conversation when I told her niether me or my daughter would be alive without the transfusions we recieved after my daughters birth.Shes a good friend but we do not talk her religion.

Interesting site you gave me a bit more insite into my friends ideas :)
 
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