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Global warming hoax

Larrry

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Satellites first started taking measurements of sea ice in 1979-1980. After 28 years of warming Arctic sea today is where it was when measurements started. Will we see news photos of Polar Bears frozen to the ice?
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/print.php?extend.76.1
Where is the media now that the Arctic ice concentration is at the same thickness as when measurements began 28 years ago? How many years of normal ice conditions will it take before they admit the Polar Bear isn't threatened? The coverage of both Arctic and Antarctic ice has been very one sided.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008



From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado


Note that the total is 10.9 million square kilometers for both years. All the while CO2 levels have gone up.

At the other side of the planet the Antarctic is still experiencing record ice. Since 1980 total ice concentration is up 35% and ice extent is up 21%.



From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado


Where is the media on this? If the Antarctic ice was down 35% it would be headline news for weeks and Congress would probably have passed the cap and trade legislation. But the popular news media is no where to be found on this. We're not even hearing how happy the Polar Bears are or whether we're getting a good bunch of bear cubs out of it. Could be that good news is never welcome news to the those wishing to use this issue for their own political agenda?
 

Goodpasture

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Another copyright violation, and this one is not attributed.

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/print.php?extend.76.1

so not only did you steal the article, you didn't bother to put it in as a quote with your own commentary, but you are claiming as your intellectual property.
 

fff

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Goodpasture said:
Another copyright violation, and this one is not attributed.

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/print.php?extend.76.1

so not only did you steal the article, you didn't bother to put it in as a quote with your own commentary, but you are claiming as your intellectual property.

"globalwarminghoax.com" No wonder he didn't attribute it to anyone. Even the federal courts are on Bush's case about global warming:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/GlobalWarming/story?id=3508197&page=1

Bush:
The US president, George Bush, today acknowledged that human activity contributed to global warming as he prepared to debate climate change with other G8 leaders.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/jul/06/usnews.development


This is what National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado really said in August 2007:

Arctic sea ice fell below all previous records for the lowest absolute minimum extent ever measured by satellite on Thursday and Friday, said scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Sea ice extent has fallen below the 2005 record low absolute minimum and is still melting, said researcher Walt Meier.

A rapid disintegration of Arctic sea ice during July has prompted scientists to warn there is a 92 percent chance that Arctic sea ice extent will hit an annual record low. Sea ice extent, the area of an ocean covered by at least 15 percent of ice, has been shrinking since the late 1970s, when satellite measurements began. The decline is believed by many researchers to be due to higher temperatures due to global warming from a buildup of greenhouse gas emissions in the Earth's atmosphere. In April, scientists at the University of Colorado-Boulder forecast a 33 percent chance that the September minimum of sea ice would set a new annual low record, but after observing what happened to the ice in July, they drastically revised that prediction.

Satellite images of the coast of eastern Siberia and the New Siberian Islands, 1,200 miles northwest of Alaska, show sea ice retreat over 42 days this summer. (Images courtesy NASA) "During the first week in July, the Arctic sea ice started to disappear at rates we had never seen before," said Sheldon Drobot, who leads the Arctic Regional Ice Forecasting System group at the Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research, CCAR.

The group at the University of Colorado-Boulder's aerospace engineering sciences department is the only group in the world making seasonal Arctic sea ice forecasts based on probability. Arctic sea ice researchers pay particular attention to the months of September and March because they generally mark the annual minimum and maximum sea ice extents respectively, said Drobot. The record low September minimum for sea ice, set in 2005, is 2.15 million square miles, Drobot said.

For 2007, the most likely minimum extent is 1.96 million square miles, he said. But there is a 25 percent chance the September sea ice extent will shrink even more - to 1.88 million square miles - said Drobot, and even a five percent chance it will fall to 1.75 million square miles, he said. Arctic sea ice is "one of the better predictors of climate change on Earth," Drobot said. "There will probably be about two-thirds as much sea this September as there was 25 years ago, a good indication that something significant is happening with the climate."

The factors triggering the unusually strong July sea-ice decline appear to be a combination of less multi-year ice and more cloud-free days, which accelerated the melting effects of solar radiation on the ice, Drobot said. "Things can really change fast, which is why we continually update our forecasts," he said. The sea ice research by the CCAR group is funded by the National Science Foundation and NASA. "We have been seeing a sharp decline in thicker, multi-year ice that has survived more than one melt season," said CCAR scientist James Maslanik. "This has been replaced in many areas by a thin, first-year layer of ice as well as by younger, thinner types of multi-year ice. The thinner ice just does not have the mass to withstand the effects of warming climate," Maslanik explained. The CCAR researchers used satellite data from the U.S. Department of Defense and temperature records from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration for the forecasts, which they have been producing for five years.

Melting sea ice, Blackhead, Newfoundland, Canada. June 2007 (Photo by Diana Cardoso) Currently, sea ice extent is particularly low in the East Siberian side of the Arctic and the Beaufort Sea north of Alaska. Ice in the Canadian Archipelago is also quite low, the scientists said. Along the Atlantic side of the Arctic Ocean, sea ice extent is not as strikingly low, but is still less than normal.

Over the past few years, the Arctic sea ice decline has been sharpest in the western Arctic, said Drobot. Such regional variation is of interest to the maritime industry, including government agencies, international shipping companies, energy exploration corporations and tourism cruise lines active in the far North, he said. "This type of information is useful for ship operators trying to plan activities several months out," Drobot said. "It's also useful for short-term operational planning, including cruise ship excursions."

Assuming the sea ice decline continues in the Arctic, there probably will be intercontinental "Northwest Passage" type of transit from North America to places like Europe in the coming decades, Drobot projected. A seasonal or year-round, ice-free channel through Arctic waters would be shorter and cost less than shipping through the Panama Canal.

Find more information on CU-Boulder's Arctic Regional Ice Forecasting System group at: http://ccar.colorado.edu/arifs . View a website with continuous updates on Arctic sea ice conditions maintained by researchers at CU-Boulder's National Snow and Ice Data Center.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6590
 
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Anonymous

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More open and transparent Government according to Bush/Cheney!!! If the report or the science doesn't fit your purpose- just delete it or change it- and then LIE, LIE, LIE- and DECEIVE..... :( :( :???:

In the hearings on the FDA, USDA, EPA, CPSC, etc. this has been shown to be the pattern of all the testimony coming out...Science, Facts, or the Truth mean nothing to this Crew- even if it was presented by their own employees..They just changed it to fit what they wanted.....

EPA Official: Cheney Wanted Climate Report Altered

Tuesday, July 8, 2008 2:22 PM

Vice President Dick Cheney's office pushed for major deletions in congressional testimony on the public health consequences of climate change, fearing the presentation by a leading health official might make it harder to avoid regulating greenhouse gases, a former EPA official maintains.


When six pages were cut from testimony on climate change and public health by the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last October, the White House insisted the changes were made because of reservations raised by White House advisers about the accuracy of the science.


But Jason K. Burnett, until last month the senior adviser on climate change to Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen Johnson, says that Cheney's office was deeply involved in getting nearly half of the CDC's original draft testimony removed.


"The Council on Environmental Quality and the office of the vice president were seeking deletions to the CDC testimony (concerning) ... any discussions of the human health consequences of climate change," Burnett has told the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee.
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The letter by Burnett for the first time suggests that Cheney's office was deeply involved in downplaying the impacts of climate change as related to public health and welfare, Senate investigators believe.


Cheney's office also objected last January over congressional testimony by Administrator Johnson that "greenhouse gas emissions harm the environment."


An official in Cheney's office "called to tell me that his office wanted the language changed" with references to climate change harming the environment deleted, Burnett said. Nevertheless, the phrase was left in Johnson's testimony.


Cheney's office and the White House Council on Environmental Quality worried that if key health officials provided detailed testimony about global warming's consequences on public health or the environment, it could make it more difficult to avoid regulating carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, Burnett believes.
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Nowhere were these White House concerns more apparent than when CDC Director Julie Gerberding, the head of the government's premier public health watchdog, testified about climate change and public health before Boxer's committee last October. The White House deleted six of the original 14 pages of Gerberding's testimony, including a list of likely public health impacts of global warming.


The White House, at the urging of Cheney's office, "requested that I work with CDC to remove from the testimony any discussion of the human health consequences of climate change," wrote Burnett.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/cheney_climate_testimony/2008/07/08/110938.html
 
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Anonymous

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Cal said:
Good job Larry, exposing global warming for the scam it is really freaks 'em out.

Is this the "new Neocon Republican" position- that science no longer means anything... :???: Or that if the science of the day tells you something that goes against your position or where you want to go-- you can just change it, or hide it- or lie about it :???:

Now don't get me wrong- I believe (like 95% of the scientists) when they say we are in a perod of global warming and climate change- BUT I don't buy the Gore theory- that man is the major cause of it...While our actions/inactions can influence climate to some degree , I believe the major cause is that we are in a normal warming and cooling cycle that scientists say has taken place for millions of years....But either way we are in a period of climate change....

So why wouldn't Bush/Cheney want the Medical and Scientific world telling the public what the medical and health effects this change could have :???:

Both live with their heads down an Oil Hole!!!!!
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
Cal said:
Good job Larry, exposing global warming for the scam it is really freaks 'em out.

Is this the "new Neocon Republican" position- that science no longer means anything... :???:

It is vanity. Gore thinks humans have more global control than they do. He will be right only when he figures out how to plug up the volcanoes. One volcano puts out more grennhouse gas in one year than all of man kind ever has.
 

Mike

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So why wouldn't Bush/Cheney want the Medical and Scientific world telling the public what the medical and health effects this change could have

Because her (Gerberding's) statements about the health impacts are so obvious, my 3 year old could have stated them.

Such as:

1-The proliferation of Ragweed and other pollen producing weed would escalate allergies.... :roll:

2-Heat strokes would be more numerous.......... :roll:

3-Shortage of drinking water.............. :roll:

Just to name a few.

Did we really need to hear this? :???: :???: :???:
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
So why wouldn't Bush/Cheney want the Medical and Scientific world telling the public what the medical and health effects this change could have

Because her (Gerberding's) statements about the health impacts are so obvious, my 3 year old could have stated them.

Such as:

1-Ragweed and other pollen producing weed would escalate allergies.... :roll:

2-Heat strokes would be more numerous.......... :roll:

3-Shortage of drinking water.............. :roll:

Just to name a few.

Did we really need to hear this? :???: :???: :???:


Then why go thru all the trouble of interferring with Congressional testimony to have them removed :???: Lots more obviously unimportant and idiotic statements and discussions go into the Congressional record daily :roll:
King George and crew should not be sticking their noses into medical and scientific testimony until they get a M.D. or PHD behind their names....
But this Administration has ruled by censorship, secrecy, backroom deals, deceit and out right lying-- so this is not unexpected....

The best example is when, immediately after BSE was found in Canada, the USDA threw out a long developed policy and plan on handling BSE cattle- that had been developed by their own Drs. and Scientists over years of study- and opened the border to importing from BSE countries-- even over the objections of many of these scientists and a group of Independent scientists put together by the consumers (MacDonalds/etal).... :(
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
Then why go thru all the trouble of interferring with Congressional testimony to have them removed :???: Lots more obviously unimportant and idiotic statements and discussions go into the Congressional record daily :roll:
:(

Exactly. And gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for the same non-sense.

It is going to take a super-volcano to put things back in to persective. I hope we don't have one any time soon. Last one was a couple of million years back and we are overdue. At that time, human kind will realize that we aren't even a bump in the road.
 

fff

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Did you see this one, OT? The Bush Administration didn't like an EPA report prepared in response to a Supreme Court ruling, so they told the agency they simply weren't going to open the email containing the document! Speaking of hiding your head in an oil hole. :roll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25epa.html
 
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Anonymous

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fff said:
Did you see this one, OT? The Bush Administration didn't like an EPA report prepared in response to a Supreme Court ruling, so they told the agency they simply weren't going to open the email containing the document! Speaking of hiding your head in an oil hole. :roll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25epa.html

Over the past five days, the officials said, the White House successfully put pressure on the E.P.A. to eliminate large sections of the original analysis that supported regulation, including a finding that tough regulation of motor vehicle emissions could produce $500 billion to $2 trillion in economic benefits over the next 32 years. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.

Both documents, as prepared by the E.P.A., “showed that the Clean Air Act can work for certain sectors of the economy, to reduce greenhouse gases,” one of the senior E.P.A. officials said. “That’s not what the administration wants to show. They want to show that the Clean Air Act can’t work.”

Yep- you can't believe a word this Regime in D.C. puts out- as its all censored propoganda- No matter which agency...

Over the past year since Congress has again began oversight hearings I've watched many of the ones involving the FDA, USDA, EPA, CPSC, etc.- and the one thing that came out from the organizations representing the Drs., Scientists, Technicians, and Investigators in those agencies and many of those employees giving written testimony in anonimity (due to fear of repercussions) was the huge morale problem in these agencies and their huge frustration about not being allowed to do anything...

It wasn't the expected normal complaints about wages, vacation, etc-- it was about working conditions and the fact they were not allowed to do the investigation/research that was needed- and that when they did- if it didn't meet King Georges and his elitist Corporate Buddies overall plan and approval it was discarded...
It was quite apparent- they want "change".....
 

RobertMac

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Typical OT the Bush Hater...you reckon they were keeping out miss-information meant to scare the public into giving up their freedoms and liberty to the new federal government nanny state????????????????
I don't think I would want to agree with "scientist????" that agree with Algore!!! :shock: :eek: :shock: :eek: :roll:

http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/pdf/RoySpencerGraph1.pdf
 
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Anonymous

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RobertMac said:
Typical OT the Bush Hater...you reckon they were keeping out miss-information meant to scare the public into giving up their freedoms and liberty to the new federal government nanny state????????????????
I don't think I would want to agree with "scientist????" that agree with Algore!!! :shock: :eek: :shock: :eek: :roll:

http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/pdf/RoySpencerGraph1.pdf

Yep- so instead of giving folks truth and open information in government- you follow the new fascist Republican neocon cultism of censorship, tell them only what they need to know, deception, and if that doesn't work- just outright lie....

Sad day in this country when anyone supports those beliefs...
 

hopalong

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hopalong said:
Oldtimer said:
RobertMac said:
Typical OT the Bush Hater...you reckon they were keeping out miss-information meant to scare the public into giving up their freedoms and liberty to the new federal government nanny state????????????????
I don't think I would want to agree with "scientist????" that agree with Algore!!! :shock: :eek: :shock: :eek: :roll:

http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/pdf/RoySpencerGraph1.pdf

Yep- so instead of giving folks truth and open information in government- you follow the new fascist Republican neocon cultism of censorship, tell them only what they need to know, deception, and if that doesn't work- just outright lie....


Seems to work for your democrap friends pretty good.
 

RobertMac

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Oldtimer said:
RobertMac said:
Typical OT the Bush Hater...you reckon they were keeping out miss-information meant to scare the public into giving up their freedoms and liberty to the new federal government nanny state????????????????
I don't think I would want to agree with "scientist????" that agree with Algore!!! :shock: :eek: :shock: :eek: :roll:

http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/pdf/RoySpencerGraph1.pdf

Yep- so instead of giving folks truth and open information in government- you follow the new fascist Republican neocon cultism of censorship, tell them only what they need to know, deception, and if that doesn't work- just outright lie....

Sad day in this country when anyone supports those beliefs...

OT, you agree with Cheney that man-made global warming is BS...so I guess that makes you part of the new fascist Republican neocon cultism of censorship!!!!!! :lol: :lol: It's not that I accept deception or lack of open government, it's that I don't believe your left wing sources!!!!!! :p
 
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Anonymous

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RobertMac said:
Oldtimer said:
RobertMac said:
Typical OT the Bush Hater...you reckon they were keeping out miss-information meant to scare the public into giving up their freedoms and liberty to the new federal government nanny state????????????????
I don't think I would want to agree with "scientist????" that agree with Algore!!! :shock: :eek: :shock: :eek: :roll:

http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/pdf/RoySpencerGraph1.pdf

Yep- so instead of giving folks truth and open information in government- you follow the new fascist Republican neocon cultism of censorship, tell them only what they need to know, deception, and if that doesn't work- just outright lie....

Sad day in this country when anyone supports those beliefs...

OT, you agree with Cheney that man-made global warming is BS...so I guess that makes you part of the new fascist Republican neocon cultism of censorship!!!!!! :lol: :lol: It's not that I accept deception or lack of open government, it's that I don't believe your left wing sources!!!!!! :p

While I may agree with Cheneys position on global warming-- I don't believe Government should be stymying any info on all theorys or position...Thats not supposed to be governments job in whats supposed to be an open and transparent Republic "of the people".... That only fits in a dictatorship where you don't want people to know things that are happening- and you have to control by censorship...

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/cheney_climate_testimony/2008/07/08/110938.html

Since when did NewsMax become a left wing source :???: ...I always considered them, FOX, and WorldNet Daily to be conservative- in fact WND is even leaning right wing.....
If you want to look- these stories are being sourced by media of all political affiliation-- and one of the toughest on how the Bush Boys have crapped on our Constitution and misled us by lies and deception is WND- a very conservative publication....

Don't be afraid to see what you see.
Ronald Reagan
 
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