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PORKER

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On the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.
What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930 for temps.
 

cowzilla

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If you have been tagging calves in our area for the last 2 weeks you wounldn't have much faith in Global warming. But you would be wearing your Gloves :lol: :lol:
 

Shaft

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And black is white, up is down and gravity is the force that keeps us airborne.

GISS Surface Temperature Analysis
Global Temperature Trends: 2007 Summation
The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
 

PORKER

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Niña cooling in the second half of 2007 (Figure 2) is about as intense as the regional cooling associated with any La Niña of the past half century, as shown by comparison to Plate 9 in Hansen et al. (Hansen et al. 1999) and updates to Plate 9 on the GISS web site. Effect of the current La Niña on global surface temperature is likely to continue for at least the first several months of 2008.

June will be 12 months of cooling unless the sunspots come back real soon.
 

Shaft

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The greatest warming in 2007 occurred in the Arctic, and neighboring high latitude regions. Global warming has a larger affect in polar areas, as the loss of snow and ice leads to more open water, which absorbs more sunlight and warmth. Snow and ice reflect sunlight; when they disappear, so too does their ability to deflect warming rays. The large Arctic warm anomaly of 2007 is consistent with observations of record low geographic extent of Arctic sea ice in September 2007.

"As we predicted last year, 2007 was warmer than 2006, continuing the strong warming trend of the past 30 years that has been confidently attributed to the effect of increasing human-made greenhouse gases," said James Hansen, director of NASA GISS.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/

You could try to do comparisons between plate 9 in Hansen et al 1999, etc. You could. Or you could simply pay attention to what Dr. Hansen himself has to say.
 
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Anonymous

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The Northern Ag Network weatherman (John Polaski) on the radio today was reporting that the temperatures for the last 2 weeks were the second coldest in 116 years of weather records for our part of the state- 14 degrees BELOW average...

I was fencing today- and some of the native grass is finally greening up a little with our last couple of days of warmer weather (got to 70 today) - and I saw more Buttercups and Crocus's-- but the waterholes look awful sick with no water in the reservoirs- and the only water at the springs (which are luckily still running)....

Good news- without the snow of last winter- and no runoff in the creeks- I was able to repair what fence that usually takes 2 (or more) days in one... :shock: :roll: :) :(
 

Shaft

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That all depends upon your point of reference, now doesn't it. Personally I prefer about 78 degrees Fahrenheit, sunny with some cloudy periods and a light breeze.
 

Shaft

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RobertMac,

If you really want informed answers to questions about global warming, I suggest you contact:

Dr. James E. Hansen

National Aeronautics and Space Administration

NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
2880 Broadway
New York, NY 10025 USA

E-mail: [email protected]
Phone: (212) 678-5500

He knows something about it.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/jhansen.html
 

RobertMac

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Shaft, I have no doubt about climate change...it has happened since the beginning of the planet. The problem I have is that some of mankind has become arrogant enough to believe humans can control that change.
Why would that group want to promote such an idea??????? Power?????
 

Shaft

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RobertMac, the word is 'affect' global climate change rather than 'control'.

Eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge caused Adam and Eve to be expelled from the Garden of Eden. Cause and effect. God was in control. Still is. Make no mistake. Problem is that we haven't learned anything.
 

RobertMac

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OK, is this better?

Shaft, I have no doubt about climate change...it has happened since the beginning of the planet. The problem I have is that some of mankind has become arrogant enough to believe humans can 'affect' global climate change to a meaningful degree.
Why would that group want to promote such an idea??????? Power?????
 

Silver

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I wonder.......... They used to farm in Greenland. As in grow veggies, raise livestock, etc. etc. They haven't done that for centuries upon centuries. I wonder how much of a disaster it was for the earth to be that un-Godly warm at that time? Somehow the human race survived the following centuries of cold, perhaps now we can look forward to a future more like the past :wink:
 

Silver

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PORKER said:
If it would get that warm then there would be a switch of cattle breeds to Nelore, Brahma, Zuba, and Braford .


Not where I live, but I may be forced to switch to say...... ugh.... (shudder).......... ANGUS :(


:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Shaft

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RobertMac old buddy, they say that ignorance is bliss so I guess my role is to actively try to make you unhappy. Sorry about that.

NASA has put together a very good educational series on global warming. Just watched it. Even I was able to follow along. They take no position, just explain how things work and what the data indicates.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Laboratory/PlanetEarthScience/GlobalWarming/GW.html

Apparently humans are currently pumping 6.5 billion tons of carbon into the air annually more than what Mother Nature usually cycles. That's a lot of carbon. Forgive me for saying this, but how arrogant do you have to be to claim that this has no possible effect? Check out LA on a theoretically sunny day in June sometime.

The debate is moot, however, because all we have to do is stick around another ten years or so and see what happens. That should settle things conclusively one way or another. Given that the polar icecap shrunk last year at a rate far beyond even the most dire predictions, we may not have to wait that long.

Stay well.
 

PORKER

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Recent cold snap helping Arctic sea ice, scientists find
Last Updated: Friday, February 15, 2008 | 10:17 AM ET
CBC News
There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year.

Temperatures have stayed well in the -30s C and -40s C range since late January throughout the North, with the mercury dipping past -50 C in some areas.
Satellite images are showing that the cold spell is helping the sea ice expand in coverage by about 2 million square kilometres, compared to the average winter coverage in the previous three years.

"It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday.

"That means that maybe the perennial ice would not go down as low as last year."

Canadian scientists are also noticing growing ice coverage in most areas of the Arctic, including the southern Davis Strait and the Beaufort Sea.

"Clearly, we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," said Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.

Winter sea ice could keep expanding
The cold is also making the ice thicker in some areas, compared to recorded thicknesses last year, Lagnis added.

"The ice is about 10 to 20 centimetres thicker than last year, so that's a significant increase," he said.

If temperatures remain cold this winter, Langis said winter sea ice coverage will continue to expand.

But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007.

That was because the thick multi-year ice pack that survives a summer melt has been decreasing in recent years, as well as moving further south. Langis said the ice pack is currently located about 130 kilometres from the Mackenzie Delta, about half the distance from where it was last year.

The polar regions are a concern to climate specialists studying global warming, since those regions are expected to feel the impact of climate change sooner and to a greater extent than other areas.

Sea ice in the Arctic helps keep those regions cool by reflecting sunlight that might otherwise be absorbed by darker ocean or land surfaces.
 

Shaft

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But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007.

Thanks Porker. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
 

RobertMac

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Shaft, I watched the intro at the link you gave...I'm sorry, but I wasn't impressed. If I find the time, I may watch the rest of it. In the clip they show the bare ground of a clear cut and the gullible swoon at the destruction...but they won't go back to the same spot in 3-5 years and show all the greenery that is using CO2 and producing oxygen and new trees to cut down.

CO2 is food for plants...an increase in the level of CO2 will increase plant growth...food problem solved. :shock:
Does LA need to clean up its smog problem?? ABSOLUTELY!!! I'm not advocating ignoring pollution...by all means we need to cleanup the messes we make. But we don't have enough impact on enough of the earth's surface to affect global change...I have more faith in Nature.

In the early part of the last century, the cry was global warming and planet doom.
In the 1970s, scientist cried of the next ice age and planet doom.
Now, it's back to global warming and impending doom unless we change our light bulbs, buy a hybrid, and quit eating meat!?!?!?!? :???: You need an SUV???

Staying well and happy! :wink: :D
 
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