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God is cool with homosexuality?

Sandhusker

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A little look into Romans for you "progressives".

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - which is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoed natural relations with woman and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion
 

MsSage

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OK I have read for days yall attacking each other.............
I do not agree with homosexual behavior BUT I also know that God is the only one who can change a persons heart. If you attack them and show them anger they stop listening and will miss Gods love and message.
Yall need to remember that you are to treat one another as yourself.
PB has gotten so hateful and nasty on BOTH sides. You can NOT have a debate let alone talk about anything without name calling or like little kids saying hahahaha busted :roll:
Reader go with God, maybe you can get through some of these people and change the tone.
No Kola I am NOT going anywhere I will respond when I feel it placed on my heart to speak. I will be lurking and reading and most times praying for the hatered to go away and adults to come back.

Both sand's stop the anger and ask God how he wants you to bring lost children back to the fold.
 

MsSage

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SINCE WHEN DOES PRINCIPLE AND SPIRITUAL BACKBONE EQUATE INTO ANGER?

STOP yelling at people
Never Use ALL CAPS. One of the pitfalls of Internet communication is that people can't read your tone of voice or intention beyond what you say on the forum or message board. When you type in all CAPS, reader interpret your tone as yelling because that is common for people who fail to use sentence case. So put in the extra effort to create sentences in sentence case or, if you don't have the time or inclination, write in all lowercase letters instead. This is still annoying but it won't make people as angry as all CAPS.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/160559/proper_internet_forum_and_message_board.html?cat=4
 

nonothing

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Not one of you know what God's feeling for gays or anybody eles is..You all go by a book he himself never wrote...You all lay claim to knowing gods thoughts yet you condem others here....None of you can say for sure what god doesnt love......so shut up and let people be..turn your hate onto eachother at least there it will be positive.
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
Not one of you know what God's feeling for gays or anybody eles is..You all go by a book he himself never wrote...You all lay claim to knowing gods thoughts yet you condem others here....None of you can say for sure what god doesnt love......so shut up and let people be..turn your hate onto eachother at least there it will be positive.

Obviously you do not believe in the God of the Bible because you do not believe in the Bible. So really this discussion would not pertain to you would it? It is impossible to debate Gods opinions on Gays with someone who does not believe in God or at least the Same God as the others in the discussion.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
Not all Christians or Jews hold that every word of the Bible is the LITERAL word of God. Many reputable and mainstream scholars can point out how there were multiple authors of the Bible and loads of contradictions as well due to multiple stories and versions. In addition, Christianity and Judaism are open to interpretation and also to shaping what are lessons told in the cultural context of 2000 - 3000 years ago to modern day.

I hate to break it to ya, but the people like you two who believe that every word sprang from God's mouth and is to be taken literally are in the minority, a very tiny minority, of Christians.

I have broke many examples here in the past but when I use an Old Testament example like

you cannot wear a garment of mixed wool and linen
you must marry your brother's widow

You all tell me that the Old Testament was overturned by the New Testament.

Furthermore when I show you contradictions that are due to the Bible being a compilation, you distract and dance.

Belief in God and belief in Christianity is one thing. Belief that every word of the Bible came out of the mouth of God and is to be taken literally is another thing entirely.

So you're just going to cherry-pick the Bible? Accept the parts that appeal to you like love and forgiveness and toss the parts that you don't like, like the rules?

Show me a contradiction.
 

RobertMac

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Putting religion aside, the bottom line for homosexuality is that it is an unnatural life style...there is no way to propagate the species with homosexual acts.
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
Not all Christians or Jews hold that every word of the Bible is the LITERAL word of God. Many reputable and mainstream scholars can point out how there were multiple authors of the Bible and loads of contradictions as well due to multiple stories and versions. In addition, Christianity and Judaism are open to interpretation and also to shaping what are lessons told in the cultural context of 2000 - 3000 years ago to modern day.

I hate to break it to ya, but the people like you two who believe that every word sprang from God's mouth and is to be taken literally are in the minority, a very tiny minority, of Christians.

I have broke many examples here in the past but when I use an Old Testament example like

you cannot wear a garment of mixed wool and linen
you must marry your brother's widow

You all tell me that the Old Testament was overturned by the New Testament.

Furthermore when I show you contradictions that are due to the Bible being a compilation, you distract and dance.

Belief in God and belief in Christianity is one thing. Belief that every word of the Bible came out of the mouth of God and is to be taken literally is another thing entirely.

You have never seen me Distract and dance around some supposed contradiction. If you know of a contradiction then let me know what it is you will not see any dancing!

If you do not believe in the Bible and all that it has to say then you might as well join Tom Cruise as a Scientologist.

What a nice luxury it must be to have a mind that allows you to pick and choose the parts you wish to believe and discard those that conflict with your personal views or appear to be to hard to uphold.

I have broke many laws in the Bible, but I have never had the luxury of a Conscience that allowed me to just sluff that one off as inaccurate and written by some man and not inspired by God. You must sleep like a Baby at night!
 

TexasBred

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RobertMac said:
Putting religion aside, the bottom line for homosexuality is that it is an unnatural life style...there is no way to propagate the species with homosexual acts.

Pardon the pun but "it's an acquired taste".
 

TexasBred

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reader (the Second) said:
The Shakers were clearly an abomination too. And they ceased to be. Monks and priests as well.
HUH??????? :shock: I better tell Father Ed. He thinks he's a priest and has been for over 20 years.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
TexasBred said:
reader (the Second) said:
The Shakers were clearly an abomination too. And they ceased to be. Monks and priests as well.
HUH??????? :shock: I better tell Father Ed. He thinks he's a priest and has been for over 20 years.

Again TexasBred, I meant no offense to Catholics or monks or priests... or Shakers :) I am following the logic laid out that homosexuals must be bad because they don't procreate.

Unless "bad" and "unnatural" are synonyms, that wasn't the logic laid out.
 

CattleArmy

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Sandman said:
RobertMac said:
Putting religion aside, the bottom line for homosexuality is that it is an unnatural life style...there is no way to propagate the species with homosexual acts.

That is something to truly give thanks to GOD for.



:mad:

Why waste God's time with that? There is so much more to be thankful to God for.
 

CattleArmy

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I'm not even going to say that God thinks homosexuality is ok. I just am going to say that I'm not going to judge someone for who they love that is a consenting adult and not a chicken. I don't think any of us mortals have the requirements to judge others or are any of our own backsteps clean enough to start on other peoples.

I won't condem a lifestyle that someone I care about is involved in and through that person I have gotten to know some other great people. They don't care who I sleep with and I'm not about to take the time to care about who they sleep with.
 

RobertMac

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Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
TexasBred said:
HUH??????? :shock: I better tell Father Ed. He thinks he's a priest and has been for over 20 years.

Again TexasBred, I meant no offense to Catholics or monks or priests... or Shakers :) I am following the logic laid out that homosexuals must be bad because they don't procreate.

Unless "bad" and "unnatural" are synonyms, that wasn't the logic laid out.
When they can't/won't debate the logic, they just change the meaning of the words. :? :roll: :? :roll:

I don't care if someone wants to have a homosexual relationship, but don't disingenuously pass it off as a natural, alternative life style...especially to young children...without parental consent!!!
 

VanC

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Over the centuries the Holy Spirit has taught us that certain Bible verses should not be understood as God's law for all time periods. Some verses are specific to the culture and time they were written, and are no longer viewed as appropriate, wise, or just.

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

For example, many Christians don't know that:

Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.
The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.
Only six or seven of the Bible's one million verses refer to same-sex behavior in any way -- and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation as it's understood today.

The passages above are taken from here:

http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian

It's long, but a very interesting read. I consider myself a conservative for the most part. In fact, some on this forum would refer to me as a right wingnut. But I won't deny what I feel in my heart. The God I worship would not look kindly upon those that use His word to promote hatred.
 

alice

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VanC said:
Over the centuries the Holy Spirit has taught us that certain Bible verses should not be understood as God's law for all time periods. Some verses are specific to the culture and time they were written, and are no longer viewed as appropriate, wise, or just.

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

For example, many Christians don't know that:

Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.
The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.
Only six or seven of the Bible's one million verses refer to same-sex behavior in any way -- and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation as it's understood today.

The passages above are taken from here:

http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian

It's long, but a very interesting read. I consider myself a conservative for the most part. In fact, some on this forum would refer to me as a right wingnut. But I won't deny what I feel in my heart. The God I worship would not look kindly upon those that use His word to promote hatred.

Thank you, Van...you're alright!

Several years ago, kids were wearing WWJD bracelets. At the time my grandson was about 10 years old. I asked what WWJD stood for. The answer...What Would Jesus Do? He certainly would not promote violence and hatred. Think about it, folks!

Alice
 

badaxemoo

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RobertMac said:
Putting religion aside, the bottom line for homosexuality is that it is an unnatural life style...there is no way to propagate the species with homosexual acts.

Homosexual behavior is found in nature.

Google Bonobos.

Those chimps are furry little sex machines!

Sandman is the unstable looking one sitting up in a tree telling the other chimps they are going to burn in hell for their perversions.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
VanC said:
Over the centuries the Holy Spirit has taught us that certain Bible verses should not be understood as God's law for all time periods. Some verses are specific to the culture and time they were written, and are no longer viewed as appropriate, wise, or just.

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

For example, many Christians don't know that:

Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.
The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.
Only six or seven of the Bible's one million verses refer to same-sex behavior in any way -- and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation as it's understood today.

The passages above are taken from here:

http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian

It's long, but a very interesting read. I consider myself a conservative for the most part. In fact, some on this forum would refer to me as a right wingnut. But I won't deny what I feel in my heart. The God I worship would not look kindly upon those that use His word to promote hatred.


Not sure what point you are making exactly? Can you clarify, please Dummy it down for me? :lol:

Not sure what side of the fence you are on with this issue, or who is promoting hatred?
 

aplusmnt

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badaxemoo said:
RobertMac said:
Putting religion aside, the bottom line for homosexuality is that it is an unnatural life style...there is no way to propagate the species with homosexual acts.

Homosexual behavior is found in nature.

Google Bonobos.

Those chimps are furry little sex machines!

Sandman is the unstable looking one sitting up in a tree telling the other chimps they are going to burn in hell for their perversions.

Eating ones own crap is a natural act for some species but that does not mean if a human eats his own crap it is natural for him to do so! Please apply a little common sense to your reasoning! :roll:
 

TexasBred

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reader (the Second) said:
TexasBred said:
reader (the Second) said:
The Shakers were clearly an abomination too. And they ceased to be. Monks and priests as well.
HUH??????? :shock: I better tell Father Ed. He thinks he's a priest and has been for over 20 years.

Again TexasBred, I meant no offense to Catholics or monks or priests... or Shakers :) I am following the logic laid out that homosexuals must be bad because they don't procreate.

Reader thanks...and for whatever it's worth here is the official position of the Catholic Church on homosexuality taken from the CCC.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
 
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