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Good Question!

Tam

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Better question when will the Dems learn?

But to your question
How many more people do you think are being asked this GOOD question since Obama canceled the DC voucher program that was meant to get some kids into BETTER schools?

How many people are being asked this GOOD question, due to the fact Unions make sure porn watching teachers have a job in a Middle school and get hundreds of thousands in back pay when the school is forced to reinstate the PORN WATCHER?

How many People are being asked this Good Question because Schools in general can't get rid of any bad teachers because of the Unions are funding Democrat campaigns?

Maybe just maybe if the Dems would stop supporting the Unions and get them out of education system the parents and kids could get the education their tax money deserve.

Dem protected unions leads to Union PROTECTED BAD TEACHERS leads to BAD EDUCATION. PERIOD. :x
 

littlejoe

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Tam! My cute cuddlesome coquettish Canadian cabbage!

You're not free to belong to me
And you know that I could never be your own
But your lips on mine are like sweet, sweet wine
But we're heading for a wall of stone

Warning signs are flashing by but we pay no heed
Instead of slowing down the pace, we keep pickin' up speed
Disaster's getting closer every time we meet
Goin' ninety miles an hour down a dead end street--

Well, cumquat, that concludes my hank snow tribute to ya'. Me and 2 runaway huetterites used to play that @ the grubstake by Lincoln exit many moons ago. Opened for quite a few bands that went on to bigger things. A mental exercise to 'member the words.

hoot buddys went back to the colony, I moved baaach into my sheepwagon.
 

Tam

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nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.
 

hypocritexposer

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The unions are part of the plan to dumb down the US, so they will vote like OT and littlejoe do. They are more worried about whether a past candidate flubbed a joke, than they are about how the present President is running the Country.

And then they will ask why the Republicans are not saving them from themselves with better candidates.
 
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Tam said:
nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.

I keep hearing this argument about all teachers being bad- because they are Democrats - so I ask- If there are all these Dem teachers that are so bad-----Why are there no good Republican teachers stepping forward?
Are Republicans too dumb to teach? Are Republicans too uneducated to teach? Are Republicans too rich to live on teacher wages? Do Republicans not have enough social drive to want to teach young folks? -or is teaching below the social stratification of a "a Republican" ? Do people immediately switch from Repub to Dem when they get this education ?

First off I don't buy into all the extremist rightwingers argument that all teachers are bad...Maybe you in Canada don't have any - but I'll bet you right now there are lots of good teachers in the schools in Outlook and Plentywood Montana ... I happen to know some personally...

And secondly I know many educators/teachers that were quite conservative- but may not have been considered so by the radical right because they didn't buy into every rightwingernut hair brained anti science belief or fear mongering or hate mongering conspiracy theory out there.... Thank God--They were educated enough to know better...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.

I keep hearing this argument about all teachers being bad- because they are Democrats - so I ask- If there are all these Dem teachers that are so bad-----Why are there no good Republican teachers stepping forward?
Are Republicans too dumb to teach? Are Republicans too uneducated to teach? Are Republicans too rich to live on teacher wages? Do Republicans not have enough social drive to want to teach young folks? -or is teaching below the social stratification of a "a Republican" ? Do people immediately switch from Repub to Dem when they get this education ?

First off I don't buy into all the extremist rightwingers argument that all teachers are bad...Maybe you in Canada don't have any - but I'll bet you right now there are lots of good teachers in the schools in Outlook and Plentywood Montana ... I happen to know some personally...

And secondly I know many educators/teachers that were quite conservative- but may not have been considered so by the radical right because they didn't buy into every rightwingernut hair brained anti science belief or fear mongering or hate mongering conspiracy theory out there.... Thank God--They were educated enough to know better...


Where did anyone say ALL teachers are bad? You wouldn't be misrepresenting what someone else said, again, are you?

Do you agree, or disagree that unions make it tougher for teachers, as a group, to be the best they can be, by protecting the bad teachers?

Do bad teachers bring the average down, or increase the overall average?
 

hypocritexposer

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According to the pro-education reform documentary Waiting for ‘Superman,’ one out of every 57 doctors loses his or her license to practice medicine.

One out of every 97 lawyers loses their license to practice law.

In many major cities, only one out of 1000 teachers is fired for performance-related reasons. Why? Tenure.
http://www.teachersunionexposed.com/protecting.cfm


Consider New York City. The New York Daily News reports that “over the past three years [2007-2010], just 88 out of some 80,000 city schoolteachers have lost their jobs for poor performance.”

Things are no better in New York as a whole. The Albany Times Union looked at what was going on outside New York City and discovered some shocking data: Of 132,000 teachers, only 32 were fired for any reason between 2006 and 2011.


A study conducted by Public Agenda in 2003 polled 1,345 schoolteachers on a variety of education issues, including the role that tenure played in their schools. When asked “does tenure mean that a teacher has worked hard and proved themselves to be very good at what they do?” 58 percent of the teachers polled answered that no, tenure “does not necessarily” mean that. In a related question, 78 percent said a few (or more) teachers in their schools “fail to do a good job and are simply going through the motions.”



So why don’t districts try to terminate more of their poor performers? The sad answer is that their chance of prevailing is vanishingly small. Teachers unions have ensured that even with a victory, the process is prohibitively expensive and time-consuming. In the 2006-2007 school year, for example, New York City fired only 10 of its 55,000 tenured teachers. The cost to eliminate those employees averages out to $163,142, according to Education Week.

The Bottom Line
Most teachers absolutely deserve to keep their jobs and some have begun to speak out about the absurdity of teacher tenure, but it’s impossible to pretend that the number of firings actually reflects the number of bad teachers protected by tenure. As long as union leaders possess the legal ability to drag out termination proceedings for months or even years — during which time districts must continue paying teachers, substitute teachers to replace them, and lawyers to arbitrate the proceedings — the situation for students will not improve.
 

hypocritexposer

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More "right wing extremists" that claim ALL teachers are bad

California students sue state over ineffective teachers


Plaintiffs argue that minority and poor students are most in need of effective teachers and least likely, in California, to be taught by them.

“Research has shown that inside the school building, nothing matters more than the quality of the teachers,” said Sandi Jacobs, vice president for National Council on Teacher Quality. “An effective teacher and a highly effective teacher make a really significant difference in the trajectory of their students, and the same is true in the negative capacity for an ineffective teacher.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/06/california-students-sue-state-over-ineffective-teachers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29
 

hypocritexposer

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I guess OT thinks ALL teachers are good and should keep their jobs, even when they are bad.

Doesn't that seem a bit extremist?

In 2008, Edelman found that a teacher who rubbed the back and neck of a student in an empty classroom while speaking in threatening sexual innuendo — “I can make you do things you don’t want to do” — should get a mere two-month fine. The teacher had twice before been cited for improper touching.

Edelman’s terse rationale: “A teacher rubbed a student’s back. He did not have sex with the student or ask the student to have sex with him.”

In 2010, Edelman found that another serial abuser should be returned to the classroom after touching the bare shoulders and neck of a student while telling her she could strip for him.

The teacher “was not really soliciting sex from but was engaging in sexual banter,” with the student, he found — even though there is no precedent or protection in the contract for “sexual banter.”

He also found a way to forgive the use of child porn, calling a teacher’s secret agreement to be sent nude photos of a student “a lapse in judgment . . . [that] does not justify upholding his termination, I am convinced.” The contract explicitly says otherwise.

Yet Edelman is no anomaly. Many other arbitrators normalize sexual behavior or invent standards to arrive at decisions that flout zero tolerance.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/10/look-who-protects-pervert-teachers/
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Wonder if any teachers with sexual misconduct are allowed to leave to find a new job teaching kids vs a district having to deal with the high cost of litigation?

Wonder if any teachers' are required to pay union dues to accept a job?


Wonder how many teachers feel that education has worsened over the past 10, 15, 20, and 25 years?


Wonder if there are different standards for ethnicities on graduate exams?
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.

I keep hearing this argument about all teachers being bad- because they are Democrats - so I ask- If there are all these Dem teachers that are so bad-----Why are there no good Republican teachers stepping forward?
Are Republicans too dumb to teach? Are Republicans too uneducated to teach? Are Republicans too rich to live on teacher wages? Do Republicans not have enough social drive to want to teach young folks? -or is teaching below the social stratification of a "a Republican" ? Do people immediately switch from Repub to Dem when they get this education ?

First off I don't buy into all the extremist rightwingers argument that all teachers are bad...Maybe you in Canada don't have any - but I'll bet you right now there are lots of good teachers in the schools in Outlook and Plentywood Montana ... I happen to know some personally...

And secondly I know many educators/teachers that were quite conservative- but may not have been considered so by the radical right because they didn't buy into every rightwingernut hair brained anti science belief or fear mongering or hate mongering conspiracy theory out there.... Thank God--They were educated enough to know better...


Where did I say that smart good teachers are not Republicans/ Conservatives? all I said is Unions that are backed by Democraps are protecting bad teachers and insuring they keep their jobs even when they should be fired.

AS far as good teachers, I hear some US teachers are sueing unions to get out of paying their union dues as they do not like where their union dues are going which is into Democrat coffers. I would have to say they are either INDEPENDENTS OR REPUBLICANS wouldn't you? Just to bad they are out numbered by those spewing Liberal garbage to the kids verses teaching them what they need to know to up their test scores.

OH and I'll take that bet Oldtimer as Outlook no longer has a school and hasn't had one for years. SO so much for you personally knowing some of the teachers there. :wink: :lol:

But even when I was going there the English teacher did not believe in books. Oh he liked sitting in the front of the classroom but it was so he could make eyes at his female students, which creeped out more than a few of us. But come to think of it he was very popular with the high school boys and I'm guessing it had a little something to do with the big truck he had sitting beside his home that was used as a garden and not for veggies if you get my drift. Then we had the Math teacher, well let's just say he missed the last period or two of the day as he was sitting in the local wateringhole. But they both manage to keep their jobs because of the fact they had a UNION MEMBERSHIP. :wink: Just lucky for my classmates, we had a couple very smart girls willing to help their classmates learn what we had to to pass our tests so we could graduate. BTW I heard after We graduated the school board went so far as to have English classes delivered to the students via computer from another school to get around the fact their teacher wasn't doing his job. But yea if you, the Dems and the Unions want to protect these kinds of Teachers go for it an see just how fast the US will move up on the world testing results. :roll:

Now would you like to discuss why Obama canceled the School voucher program that was meant to get poor students into better schools or is that the Republicans fault too? :roll:
 

hopalong

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Looks like oldtimer is slowly tring to work himself back into the forum hoping no one will recall the lie he told us when he threw his hissy fit
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.

I keep hearing this argument about all teachers being bad- because they are Democrats - so I ask- If there are all these Dem teachers that are so bad-----Why are there no good Republican teachers stepping forward?
Are Republicans too dumb to teach? Are Republicans too uneducated to teach? Are Republicans too rich to live on teacher wages? Do Republicans not have enough social drive to want to teach young folks? -or is teaching below the social stratification of a "a Republican" ? Do people immediately switch from Repub to Dem when they get this education ?

First off I don't buy into all the extremist rightwingers argument that all teachers are bad...Maybe you in Canada don't have any - but I'll bet you right now there are lots of good teachers in the schools in Outlook and Plentywood Montana ... I happen to know some personally...

And secondly I know many educators/teachers that were quite conservative- but may not have been considered so by the radical right because they didn't buy into every rightwingernut hair brained anti science belief or fear mongering or hate mongering conspiracy theory out there.... Thank God--They were educated enough to know better...


Where did I say that smart good teachers are not Republicans/ Conservatives? all I said is Unions that are backed by Democraps are protecting bad teachers and insuring they keep their jobs even when they should be fired.

AS far as good teachers, I hear some US teachers are sueing unions to get out of paying their union dues as they do not like where their union dues are going which is into Democrat coffers. I would have to say they are either INDEPENDENTS OR REPUBLICANS wouldn't you? Just to bad they are out numbered by those spewing Liberal garbage to the kids verses teaching them what they need to know to up their test scores.

OH and I'll take that bet Oldtimer as Outlook no longer has a school and hasn't had one for years. SO so much for you personally knowing some of the teachers there. :wink: :lol:

But even when I was going there the English teacher did not believe in books. Oh he liked sitting in the front of the classroom but it was so he could make eyes at his female students, which creeped out more than a few of us. But come to think of it he was very popular with the high school boys and I'm guessing it had a little something to do with the big truck he had sitting beside his home that was used as a garden and not for veggies if you get my drift. Then we had the Math teacher, well let's just say he missed the last period or two of the day as he was sitting in the local wateringhole. But they both manage to keep their jobs because of the fact they had a UNION MEMBERSHIP. :wink: Just lucky for my classmates, we had a couple very smart girls willing to help their classmates learn what we had to to pass our tests so we could graduate. BTW I heard after We graduated the school board went so far as to have English classes delivered to the students via computer from another school to get around the fact their teacher wasn't doing his job. But yea if you, the Dems and the Unions want to protect these kinds of Teachers go for it an see just how fast the US will move up on the world testing results. :roll:

:lol: :lol: I'll have to remember in two weeks, when all those teachers I don't know are down for the basketball games, to tell them that Canadian Tam thinks all US teachers are bad because forty years ago she had a couple of teachers in Outlook that she thought were bad and that ruined her for life ! :roll: :wink:

As far as Union power goes- much of it depends on the local boards and how strong they are or if they wishy wash away to the union demands... I sat on a school board that broke a strike by bringing in nonunion teachers... We protected any nonunion teacher that wanted to teach without joining the union... And if we had a bad teacher/administrator/staff member that warranted dismissal- we did so, even tho we ended up in court several times (which we won all)... There was many a teacher that called me a lot worse names than any on this site have- but I/we thought it was worth it for the betterment of our children's education...


Now would you like to discuss why Obama canceled the School voucher program that was meant to get poor students into better schools or is that the Republicans fault too? :roll:

How will a voucher program help Outlook MT? In an area where schools are consolidating and closing... Where there are no alternative schools except home schooling which I am not a fan of because I think we have a perfectly good public education system that is hurt every time another kid is taken out and home schooled kids miss too much of the social interaction and often are then shocked when they go out into the real world....
 

hopalong

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Any body remember his parting post to PB????
Just another one of his many falsehoods,,,,

For those that might have forgotten

Here is a PM message I received from Mike and my answer.... I guess after all the libel and slander he put out against me- with his favorite word "LIAR"--- finding out I had called authorities attention to the postings on this site finally got to him....

But after thinking longer of it-- this PB site in no way represents the rural/rancher community I know or the rural America I want to be associated with- so instead of arguing with the racists, homophobes, and anarchists- I'll let them have their way with all hate, fear and the personal slander and libel they put out.... I have some new cattle ventures I'm moving into- and don't need to fight with losers and wannabes....

But it darn sure won't stop me from doing my duty as an American citizen and reporting those that want to promote hatred and anarchy.....


Notice he objects to name calling but makes no effort to control himslelf

How are those new cattle ventures coming Richard???? Kept you so busy you manage to get booted from one forum... butt kicked big time in a couple of others and then come back here to lie again and again


:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Steve

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vouchers may work well even in rural areas..

mostly by giving students and the threat of an option..

for example.. a local store may overcharge and be rude.. in the pat you would have to deal with them or drive along ways to get a similar store..

but along came the internet and stores like amazon..

local stores had to learn to compete or lose business..

there are currently several internet schools that are thriving in a non- traditional format..

I have a friend from the military who lives in a rural area of the south..
closest school is about eight miles away,.. next one is a large consolidated school that "dumps it's overflow on the smaller school.. claiming it is to desegregate the schools.

so his choice is bus his kids to a crappy school with limited class options.. or bus them further to a large consolidated district..

but with the internet they have one more option. at the local library and the internet his children attend school within the community along with many other kids..

there are not enough to justify a school but enough to take care of the socialization lost in homeschooling..

Fantastic Fridays has connected the library with the homeschooling community. Not only are we now serving this previously underserved group, but homeschooling families are giving back to the library. Parents have gone on to serve on the library’s Community Planning Committee during strategic planning development. Homeschooling teens volunteer at some children’s programs, and one family volunteered to videotape and edit a summer reading club video by the teen advisory board. Some homeschooling parents help with our collection by noting which series of books have gone missing or by suggesting series or titles that have curriculum connections.

Having homeschoolers in the library definitely makes our library more fantastic.

many librarys offer at least a monthly or weekly program already.. some such as theirs' have a daily program..

our local library has several programs..
The Lower Cape Library invites all families in the area who homeschool their children to a monthly social. Each month, we will explore a different subject area with stories and activities for the children. We will also provide books for further reading, and demonstrate databases and internet sources you can access from your home computer. This month during “Mad About Libs”, we're focusing on parts of speech! This is a wonderful opportunity to meet with other families who homeschool and explore the library's vast resources.

so yes.. even rural areas can be served by vouchers..

my bet is your local library would be glad to host a program once it saw how much revenue would come in..

http://www.leeandlow.com/p/hs-grants.mhtml
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
:lol: :lol: I'll have to remember in two weeks, when all those teachers I don't know are down for the basketball games, to tell them that Canadian Tam thinks all US teachers are bad because forty years ago she had a couple of teachers in Outlook that she thought were bad and that ruined her for life ! :roll: :wink:

As far as Union power goes- much of it depends on the local boards and how strong they are or if they wishy wash away to the union demands... I sat on a school board that broke a strike by bringing in nonunion teachers... We protected any nonunion teacher that wanted to teach without joining the union... And if we had a bad teacher/administrator/staff member that warranted dismissal- we did so, even tho we ended up in court several times (which we won all)... There was many a teacher that called me a lot worse names than any on this site have- but I/we thought it was worth it for the betterment of our children's education...


Now would you like to discuss why Obama canceled the School voucher program that was meant to get poor students into better schools or is that the Republicans fault too? :roll:

How will a voucher program help Outlook MT? In an area where schools are consolidating and closing... Where there are no alternative schools except home schooling which I am not a fan of because I think we have a perfectly good public education system that is hurt every time another kid is taken out and home schooled kids miss too much of the social interaction and often are then shocked when they go out into the real world....
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Oldtimer Oldtimer Oldtimer There you good again putting words in my mouth . :roll:

Where in the H*LL did I say all teachers are bad. Please point it out. :? I had lots of good teachers in Outlook but just because I pointed out two in twelve years of schooling that were not good teachers YOU CLAIM ALL THE TEACHERS I HAD WERE BAD. :roll: Is it because you can't read or is it you are tossing crap at the wall hoping it will stick because I proved to the rest of the rancher's members you know very little about the School in Outlook even though you claim to know all the teachers now teaching there? :? :roll:

And where did I say anything about school vouchers being used in Outlook? :?

I asked you for your opinion on OBAMA CANCELING a program that is meant to help poor inner city children get into better schools that without help would have no chance in attending. Obama claims to be all about better schooling but one of the first actions he took as President was cancel a program that gives poor children the same education his daughters are getting in their fancy Secret Service guarded school. If you don't want to discuss the matter why don't you just ignore the question we all know you are as good at that as you are putting words in people mouths. :wink: :roll:
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
:lol: :lol: I'll have to remember in two weeks, when all those teachers I don't know are down for the basketball games, to tell them that Canadian Tam thinks all US teachers are bad because forty years ago she had a couple of teachers in Outlook that she thought were bad and that ruined her for life ! :roll: :wink:

As far as Union power goes- much of it depends on the local boards and how strong they are or if they wishy wash away to the union demands... I sat on a school board that broke a strike by bringing in nonunion teachers... We protected any nonunion teacher that wanted to teach without joining the union... And if we had a bad teacher/administrator/staff member that warranted dismissal- we did so, even tho we ended up in court several times (which we won all)... There was many a teacher that called me a lot worse names than any on this site have- but I/we thought it was worth it for the betterment of our children's education...


Now would you like to discuss why Obama canceled the School voucher program that was meant to get poor students into better schools or is that the Republicans fault too? :roll:

How will a voucher program help Outlook MT? In an area where schools are consolidating and closing... Where there are no alternative schools except home schooling which I am not a fan of because I think we have a perfectly good public education system that is hurt every time another kid is taken out and home schooled kids miss too much of the social interaction and often are then shocked when they go out into the real world....

Oldtimer Oldtimer Oldtimer There you good again putting words in my mouth . :roll:

Where in the H*LL did I say all teachers are bad. Please point it out. :?

Sure sounds to me like you said the teachers are bad- and that is the reason the Children in the US are not learning (which to me is another falsehood)...

Tam said:
the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.
 
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