Tam said:nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.
Oldtimer said:Tam said:nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.
I keep hearing this argument about all teachers being bad- because they are Democrats - so I ask- If there are all these Dem teachers that are so bad-----Why are there no good Republican teachers stepping forward?
Are Republicans too dumb to teach? Are Republicans too uneducated to teach? Are Republicans too rich to live on teacher wages? Do Republicans not have enough social drive to want to teach young folks? -or is teaching below the social stratification of a "a Republican" ? Do people immediately switch from Repub to Dem when they get this education ?
First off I don't buy into all the extremist rightwingers argument that all teachers are bad...Maybe you in Canada don't have any - but I'll bet you right now there are lots of good teachers in the schools in Outlook and Plentywood Montana ... I happen to know some personally...
And secondly I know many educators/teachers that were quite conservative- but may not have been considered so by the radical right because they didn't buy into every rightwingernut hair brained anti science belief or fear mongering or hate mongering conspiracy theory out there.... Thank God--They were educated enough to know better...
http://www.teachersunionexposed.com/protecting.cfmAccording to the pro-education reform documentary Waiting for ‘Superman,’ one out of every 57 doctors loses his or her license to practice medicine.
One out of every 97 lawyers loses their license to practice law.
In many major cities, only one out of 1000 teachers is fired for performance-related reasons. Why? Tenure.
Consider New York City. The New York Daily News reports that “over the past three years [2007-2010], just 88 out of some 80,000 city schoolteachers have lost their jobs for poor performance.”
Things are no better in New York as a whole. The Albany Times Union looked at what was going on outside New York City and discovered some shocking data: Of 132,000 teachers, only 32 were fired for any reason between 2006 and 2011.
A study conducted by Public Agenda in 2003 polled 1,345 schoolteachers on a variety of education issues, including the role that tenure played in their schools. When asked “does tenure mean that a teacher has worked hard and proved themselves to be very good at what they do?” 58 percent of the teachers polled answered that no, tenure “does not necessarily” mean that. In a related question, 78 percent said a few (or more) teachers in their schools “fail to do a good job and are simply going through the motions.”
So why don’t districts try to terminate more of their poor performers? The sad answer is that their chance of prevailing is vanishingly small. Teachers unions have ensured that even with a victory, the process is prohibitively expensive and time-consuming. In the 2006-2007 school year, for example, New York City fired only 10 of its 55,000 tenured teachers. The cost to eliminate those employees averages out to $163,142, according to Education Week.
Most teachers absolutely deserve to keep their jobs and some have begun to speak out about the absurdity of teacher tenure, but it’s impossible to pretend that the number of firings actually reflects the number of bad teachers protected by tenure. As long as union leaders possess the legal ability to drag out termination proceedings for months or even years — during which time districts must continue paying teachers, substitute teachers to replace them, and lawyers to arbitrate the proceedings — the situation for students will not improve.
California students sue state over ineffective teachers
Plaintiffs argue that minority and poor students are most in need of effective teachers and least likely, in California, to be taught by them.
“Research has shown that inside the school building, nothing matters more than the quality of the teachers,” said Sandi Jacobs, vice president for National Council on Teacher Quality. “An effective teacher and a highly effective teacher make a really significant difference in the trajectory of their students, and the same is true in the negative capacity for an ineffective teacher.”
In 2008, Edelman found that a teacher who rubbed the back and neck of a student in an empty classroom while speaking in threatening sexual innuendo — “I can make you do things you don’t want to do” — should get a mere two-month fine. The teacher had twice before been cited for improper touching.
Edelman’s terse rationale: “A teacher rubbed a student’s back. He did not have sex with the student or ask the student to have sex with him.”
In 2010, Edelman found that another serial abuser should be returned to the classroom after touching the bare shoulders and neck of a student while telling her she could strip for him.
The teacher “was not really soliciting sex from but was engaging in sexual banter,” with the student, he found — even though there is no precedent or protection in the contract for “sexual banter.”
He also found a way to forgive the use of child porn, calling a teacher’s secret agreement to be sent nude photos of a student “a lapse in judgment . . . [that] does not justify upholding his termination, I am convinced.” The contract explicitly says otherwise.
Yet Edelman is no anomaly. Many other arbitrators normalize sexual behavior or invent standards to arrive at decisions that flout zero tolerance.
Oldtimer said:Tam said:nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.
I keep hearing this argument about all teachers being bad- because they are Democrats - so I ask- If there are all these Dem teachers that are so bad-----Why are there no good Republican teachers stepping forward?
Are Republicans too dumb to teach? Are Republicans too uneducated to teach? Are Republicans too rich to live on teacher wages? Do Republicans not have enough social drive to want to teach young folks? -or is teaching below the social stratification of a "a Republican" ? Do people immediately switch from Repub to Dem when they get this education ?
First off I don't buy into all the extremist rightwingers argument that all teachers are bad...Maybe you in Canada don't have any - but I'll bet you right now there are lots of good teachers in the schools in Outlook and Plentywood Montana ... I happen to know some personally...
And secondly I know many educators/teachers that were quite conservative- but may not have been considered so by the radical right because they didn't buy into every rightwingernut hair brained anti science belief or fear mongering or hate mongering conspiracy theory out there.... Thank God--They were educated enough to know better...
Tam said:Oldtimer said:Tam said:nice try my sick little buddy :roll: but your distractions are not going to change the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.
I keep hearing this argument about all teachers being bad- because they are Democrats - so I ask- If there are all these Dem teachers that are so bad-----Why are there no good Republican teachers stepping forward?
Are Republicans too dumb to teach? Are Republicans too uneducated to teach? Are Republicans too rich to live on teacher wages? Do Republicans not have enough social drive to want to teach young folks? -or is teaching below the social stratification of a "a Republican" ? Do people immediately switch from Repub to Dem when they get this education ?
First off I don't buy into all the extremist rightwingers argument that all teachers are bad...Maybe you in Canada don't have any - but I'll bet you right now there are lots of good teachers in the schools in Outlook and Plentywood Montana ... I happen to know some personally...
And secondly I know many educators/teachers that were quite conservative- but may not have been considered so by the radical right because they didn't buy into every rightwingernut hair brained anti science belief or fear mongering or hate mongering conspiracy theory out there.... Thank God--They were educated enough to know better...
Where did I say that smart good teachers are not Republicans/ Conservatives? all I said is Unions that are backed by Democraps are protecting bad teachers and insuring they keep their jobs even when they should be fired.
AS far as good teachers, I hear some US teachers are sueing unions to get out of paying their union dues as they do not like where their union dues are going which is into Democrat coffers. I would have to say they are either INDEPENDENTS OR REPUBLICANS wouldn't you? Just to bad they are out numbered by those spewing Liberal garbage to the kids verses teaching them what they need to know to up their test scores.
OH and I'll take that bet Oldtimer as Outlook no longer has a school and hasn't had one for years. SO so much for you personally knowing some of the teachers there. :wink: :lol:
But even when I was going there the English teacher did not believe in books. Oh he liked sitting in the front of the classroom but it was so he could make eyes at his female students, which creeped out more than a few of us. But come to think of it he was very popular with the high school boys and I'm guessing it had a little something to do with the big truck he had sitting beside his home that was used as a garden and not for veggies if you get my drift. Then we had the Math teacher, well let's just say he missed the last period or two of the day as he was sitting in the local wateringhole. But they both manage to keep their jobs because of the fact they had a UNION MEMBERSHIP. :wink: Just lucky for my classmates, we had a couple very smart girls willing to help their classmates learn what we had to to pass our tests so we could graduate. BTW I heard after We graduated the school board went so far as to have English classes delivered to the students via computer from another school to get around the fact their teacher wasn't doing his job. But yea if you, the Dems and the Unions want to protect these kinds of Teachers go for it an see just how fast the US will move up on the world testing results. :roll:
:lol: :lol: I'll have to remember in two weeks, when all those teachers I don't know are down for the basketball games, to tell them that Canadian Tam thinks all US teachers are bad because forty years ago she had a couple of teachers in Outlook that she thought were bad and that ruined her for life ! :roll: :wink:
As far as Union power goes- much of it depends on the local boards and how strong they are or if they wishy wash away to the union demands... I sat on a school board that broke a strike by bringing in nonunion teachers... We protected any nonunion teacher that wanted to teach without joining the union... And if we had a bad teacher/administrator/staff member that warranted dismissal- we did so, even tho we ended up in court several times (which we won all)... There was many a teacher that called me a lot worse names than any on this site have- but I/we thought it was worth it for the betterment of our children's education...
Now would you like to discuss why Obama canceled the School voucher program that was meant to get poor students into better schools or is that the Republicans fault too? :roll:
How will a voucher program help Outlook MT? In an area where schools are consolidating and closing... Where there are no alternative schools except home schooling which I am not a fan of because I think we have a perfectly good public education system that is hurt every time another kid is taken out and home schooled kids miss too much of the social interaction and often are then shocked when they go out into the real world....
Fantastic Fridays has connected the library with the homeschooling community. Not only are we now serving this previously underserved group, but homeschooling families are giving back to the library. Parents have gone on to serve on the library’s Community Planning Committee during strategic planning development. Homeschooling teens volunteer at some children’s programs, and one family volunteered to videotape and edit a summer reading club video by the teen advisory board. Some homeschooling parents help with our collection by noting which series of books have gone missing or by suggesting series or titles that have curriculum connections.
Having homeschoolers in the library definitely makes our library more fantastic.
The Lower Cape Library invites all families in the area who homeschool their children to a monthly social. Each month, we will explore a different subject area with stories and activities for the children. We will also provide books for further reading, and demonstrate databases and internet sources you can access from your home computer. This month during “Mad About Libs”, we're focusing on parts of speech! This is a wonderful opportunity to meet with other families who homeschool and explore the library's vast resources.
[/quote]Oldtimer said::lol: :lol: I'll have to remember in two weeks, when all those teachers I don't know are down for the basketball games, to tell them that Canadian Tam thinks all US teachers are bad because forty years ago she had a couple of teachers in Outlook that she thought were bad and that ruined her for life ! :roll: :wink:
As far as Union power goes- much of it depends on the local boards and how strong they are or if they wishy wash away to the union demands... I sat on a school board that broke a strike by bringing in nonunion teachers... We protected any nonunion teacher that wanted to teach without joining the union... And if we had a bad teacher/administrator/staff member that warranted dismissal- we did so, even tho we ended up in court several times (which we won all)... There was many a teacher that called me a lot worse names than any on this site have- but I/we thought it was worth it for the betterment of our children's education...
Now would you like to discuss why Obama canceled the School voucher program that was meant to get poor students into better schools or is that the Republicans fault too? :roll:
How will a voucher program help Outlook MT? In an area where schools are consolidating and closing... Where there are no alternative schools except home schooling which I am not a fan of because I think we have a perfectly good public education system that is hurt every time another kid is taken out and home schooled kids miss too much of the social interaction and often are then shocked when they go out into the real world....
Tam said:Oldtimer said::lol: :lol: I'll have to remember in two weeks, when all those teachers I don't know are down for the basketball games, to tell them that Canadian Tam thinks all US teachers are bad because forty years ago she had a couple of teachers in Outlook that she thought were bad and that ruined her for life ! :roll: :wink:
As far as Union power goes- much of it depends on the local boards and how strong they are or if they wishy wash away to the union demands... I sat on a school board that broke a strike by bringing in nonunion teachers... We protected any nonunion teacher that wanted to teach without joining the union... And if we had a bad teacher/administrator/staff member that warranted dismissal- we did so, even tho we ended up in court several times (which we won all)... There was many a teacher that called me a lot worse names than any on this site have- but I/we thought it was worth it for the betterment of our children's education...
Now would you like to discuss why Obama canceled the School voucher program that was meant to get poor students into better schools or is that the Republicans fault too? :roll:
How will a voucher program help Outlook MT? In an area where schools are consolidating and closing... Where there are no alternative schools except home schooling which I am not a fan of because I think we have a perfectly good public education system that is hurt every time another kid is taken out and home schooled kids miss too much of the social interaction and often are then shocked when they go out into the real world....
Oldtimer Oldtimer Oldtimer There you good again putting words in my mouth . :roll:
Where in the H*LL did I say all teachers are bad. Please point it out. :?
Tam said:the facts that the reason the Children in the US are not learning is because they have bad teachers on the pay rolls who are backed up by Unions who are backed up by Dems due to the campaign funds the Unions fork over to protect their buddies in DC.