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Good time for a 3rd party?

Red Robin

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Unhappiness With Current GOP Field Driving Conservative Christians to Consider 3rd Party Option
Monday, October 01, 2007


Some of the nation's most politically influential conservative Christians, alarmed by the prospect of a Republican presidential nominee who supports abortion rights, are considering backing a third-party candidate.

More than 40 Christian conservatives attended a meeting Saturday in Salt Lake City to discuss the possibility, and planned more gatherings on how they should move forward, according to Richard A. Viguerie, the direct-mail expert and longtime conservative activist.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298820,00.html
 

Red Robin

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It wouldn't affect the house and senate seats but it'd sure give them the presidency which I assume the screeching candidate from arkansas with soros's money is going to win anyway. I think it's a good idea personally. Might get up enough steam to beat her next time.
 
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Red Robin said:
It wouldn't affect the house and senate seats but it'd sure give them the presidency which I assume the screeching candidate from arkansas with soros's money is going to win anyway. I think it's a good idea personally. Might get up enough steam to beat her next time.

Yep-- I don't think its going to matter how many parties-- the Dems are going to control the House and Senate big time- and have the White House after 08...And the way it looks is that nothing or nobody will/can stop Hillary... Which I never believed I'd see the day- but with GW's help the Republicans have almost neutered their party in less than 7 years....

The only hope of the Republicans- Guiliani- is only an ex Democrat now running under the guise of a Republican- the true wolf in sheeps clothing...
 

Goodpasture

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Oldtimer said:
The only hope of the Republicans- Guiliani- is only an ex Democrat now running under the guise of a Republican- the true wolf in sheeps clothing...
In looking at the current crop of Republicans, it appears dismal. And I don't see any light on the horizon that can motivate in 2010 the way Newt did. This does not bode well for the GOP in the near future.

My take on the current GOP candidates:

Guiliani is pro gun control and pro abortion. He lost the country folks and he lost the conservative Christians.

Romney is Mormon, his state was one of the first to recognize gay marriages. He lost the conservative and fundamentalist Christians.

McCain married the current war strategy. He lost 75% of all Americans.

Thompson doesn't go to church and he appears to be less than interested in the job.

Ron Paul has no middle ground. He has the conservative base, but that is not enough to carry him.

Huckabee, would have a chance to beat Hillary, but he won't survive the primary.....too bad, I would have been willing to vote for him over her.
 
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Anonymous

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Thompson doesn't go to church and he appears to be less than interested in the job.

Just watching old Fred- and his wife and kids- being interviewed by Hannity...I can see where the old boys energy is going ( or else he has a good neighbor) with his good looking 40 year old wife and a 4 and 1 year old kids :wink: :lol:

All I could think of is- can you imagine going on the nationwide campaign trail with a 4 year old and a 1 year old.... :???:
 

Red Robin

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Oldtimer said:
Which I never believed I'd see the day- but with GW's help the Republicans have almost neutered their party in less than 7 years....
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You're a lunatic if you actually think that President Bush lost the 08 election for the republican party. If there was backing for a conservative candidate much like george soros backs hillary, they would be a shoe in. Some people get so dissolved intellectually by hatred for a person that they lose sight of what's reality. Oldtimer you've left the rail! Get a grip. The media, academia, special interest groups, etc. (including some ethnic groups) are a lock for the democratic party. They are either on the dole or enjoy the power that spoon feeding sections of the country brings. That's a solid voting block. Then you bring in the soros money and the clinton political machine and the only political block big enough to stop her is the Christian right along side the fiscally conservative crowd. President Bush lost the fiscally conservative crowd but they would still vote for a fiscal conservative if there was one. President Bush (and company) lost the Christian right but they would still vote for a candidate with Christian values if there was one. The problem as I see is that the media, academia, special interest groups , etc. won't let a real conservative gain any traction and there isn't george soros money to over come them.
 

jigs

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Now I lay me down to sleep,
I prat the Lord, my sole to keep.
If I should die, before I wake,
I pray Hillary is on the same damned plane as I am.
 

Red Robin

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There is a lot at stake.
Five of the nine justices will be at least 70 by Election Day 2008, including three of the court’s most liberal members.
 
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Red Robin said:
Oldtimer said:
Which I never believed I'd see the day- but with GW's help the Republicans have almost neutered their party in less than 7 years....
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You're a lunatic if you actually think that President Bush lost the 08 election for the republican party. If there was backing for a conservative candidate much like george soros backs hillary, they would be a shoe in. Some people get so dissolved intellectually by hatred for a person that they lose sight of what's reality. Oldtimer you've left the rail! Get a grip. The media, academia, special interest groups, etc. (including some ethnic groups) are a lock for the democratic party. They are either on the dole or enjoy the power that spoon feeding sections of the country brings. That's a solid voting block. Then you bring in the soros money and the clinton political machine and the only political block big enough to stop her is the Christian right along side the fiscally conservative crowd. President Bush lost the fiscally conservative crowd but they would still vote for a fiscal conservative if there was one. President Bush (and company) lost the Christian right but they would still vote for a candidate with Christian values if there was one. The problem as I see is that the media, academia, special interest groups , etc. won't let a real conservative gain any traction and there isn't george soros money to over come them.

Well RR- wheres this Conservative Champion that the true conservatives can back and put their money behind- one that is actually known by the public and has been effectively involved with the issues in the last 7 years, and would stand a chance of winning :???: ...What happened to all the Reagan Democrats :???: How come all the Republican candidates are distancing themselves from GW like he has the plague :???: How come, even Newt, the author of the Republicans takeover 12 years ago-- is opposing much of GW's policy and legacy and saying that the only chance a Republican has is to protray themselves opposite GW's past 7 years of beliefs :???:

Historically for years-- the Repubs have generated more campaign donations than Dems--but this year even for the house races the Repubs are 4 or 5 times behind....You mean to tell me that Soros has single handedly turned the entire country against Republicans...Bullpuckey...

Looks to me like its more of a question of why should I donate to a Republican if they don't stand a chance....

I think GW's lack of conservative leadership and the Republican party forgetting its conservative values has been their death knell.....
Both parties have now reported their Senate and House fund raising figures for the year through August. It is still bad news for the Republicans. The story is at CQ Politics here for the Senate and here for the House.

On the Senate side, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) has raised almost twice as much money as his Republican counterpart Sen. John Ensign (R-NV). Ensign actually didn't want the job of chairing the NRSC. In fact nobody did, since all the Republican senators realized that 2008 was not going to be a good year for them and nobody wanted to be blamed. When Ensign volunteered, much praise was heaped on him for his willingness to try. However, with only $7 million in the bank at the moment, Ensign will be hard pressed to help out in the many critical Senate races coming up. In contrast, Schumer has plenty of money to go after the open seats in Colorado, Nebraska, and Virginia as well as races expected to be tight in Maine, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, and other states as well as defending his one troublespot, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA). Here is the Senate data.

Senate Races
Receipts Spent COH Debt Net
DSCC $37 million $16 million $21 million $4 million $17 million
NRCC $21 million $14 million $7 million $0 million $7 million

House Races
DCCC $44 million $23 million $22 million $3 million $19 million
NRCC $35 million $34 million $2 million $4 million $-2 million

The situation in the House is similar to that of the Senate. The Democrats have reversed their the historic pattern of the Republicans outraising them. DCCC chairman, Chris van Hollen (D-MD) has $19 million in the kitty (net). He could pick the 60 top House races and put $300,000 into each one. In a House race, $300,000 is a lot of money. The majority of House incumbents haven't even raised that much yet, but of course, things haven't heated up yet. Here are the House numbers.


We're seeing it right now in our coming state races-- about the only actual Republican candidate that pretty much is a shoe in is Rehberg...Some of the others are pure jokes-- but the local committees are having trouble enough just finding folks that will still identify themselves as Republicans, let alone get anyone credible that wants to run as a Republican candidate this year.... :roll:
 

Red Robin

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Oldtimer said:
Well RR- wheres this Conservative Champion that the true conservatives can back and put their money behind- one that is actually known by the public and has been effectively involved with the issues in the last 7 years, and would stand a chance of winning :???:
Tom Coburn, Alan Keys ticket could win going away with George Soros kind of money. It'd be the republicans worst nightmare. Hillary wouldn't sleep at night.
 
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Red Robin said:
Oldtimer said:
Well RR- wheres this Conservative Champion that the true conservatives can back and put their money behind- one that is actually known by the public and has been effectively involved with the issues in the last 7 years, and would stand a chance of winning :???:
Tom Coburn, Alan Keys ticket could win going away with George Soros kind of money. It'd be the republicans worst nightmare. Hillary wouldn't sleep at night.

I like both-- but neither have been out in front of the public nationwide enough to ever win an election...Not identified as much with the Republican Party now as GW, and the cronies he had/has in D.C., were/are....And right now if you mention Republican party- you get #[email protected]%&^$ Bush as a reply- as he is identified as the current Republican party-- and the Republican party is now identified with all the failed policies/programs of GW....

Anyway thats what I see locally-- and a many a person I've known as good long time Republicans- can't stand GW-- and are in disbelief/shock of where he lead their party....
 

Red Robin

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Oldtimer said:
Red Robin said:
Oldtimer said:
Well RR- wheres this Conservative Champion that the true conservatives can back and put their money behind- one that is actually known by the public and has been effectively involved with the issues in the last 7 years, and would stand a chance of winning :???:
Tom Coburn, Alan Keys ticket could win going away with George Soros kind of money. It'd be the republicans worst nightmare. Hillary wouldn't sleep at night.

I like both-- but neither have been out in front of the public nationwide enough to ever win an election.
Hogwash. Keys is well known and Coburns track record is more than shining fiscally and morally. They would be well known with Dobsons support and money raising capabilities. I say they run a stout race. Better than anything the republicans currently have. It'd be them against hillary.
 

Goodpasture

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Red Robin said:
Hogwash. Keys is well known and Coburns track record is more than shining fiscally and morally. They would be well known with Dobsons support and money raising capabilities. I say they run a stout race. Better than anything the republicans currently have. It'd be them against hillary.
Keys is known as a loser......no one will take a chance on him. Dr Coburn is going to have a hard time winning his seat again. It is going to be very close, as there is a lot of resentment about him keeping his practice open while he is in Washington.
 

Red Robin

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Goodpasture said:
Red Robin said:
Hogwash. Keys is well known and Coburns track record is more than shining fiscally and morally. They would be well known with Dobsons support and money raising capabilities. I say they run a stout race. Better than anything the republicans currently have. It'd be them against hillary.
Keys is known as a loser......no one will take a chance on him. Dr Coburn is going to have a hard time winning his seat again. It is going to be very close, as there is a lot of resentment about him keeping his practice open while he is in Washington.
Keys is known as a conservative black man with a good reputation...one of very few. Coburn doesn't run for the senate seat again in Oklahoma if he throws his hat in the presidential race. Huckabee couldn't get reelected in arkansas again. How does that effect the presidential race. You're out of touch.
 

Ben H

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I'm actually NOT for another party, here's why.

I could see happening exactly what happened in the election for our State Governer last year. There was a a third party and the people couldn't decide between the GOP and the Independent Canditate and the Democrat got voted back into office. The funny thing is that the votes show that a majority of the state did NOT want him elected.

I would support another party if they would narrow the decision down to two candidates before deciding who won the election.
 

kolanuraven

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Red Robin said:
Keys is known as a conservative black man with a good reputation...one of very few.



WHOA NELLIE!!! What a statement!!!!!

What'cha trying to say here RR...that black men with a " good" reputation are few and far between???



Be careful...your " Arkansas" is showing!!!! Better tuck in the white robe...the edge is showing!!!
 

MoGal

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If Guiliani is on the Repub ticket and Hillary on the Democrat... I do hope there is a 3rd choice as neither one of those would be good for this country..... IMO.
 
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kolanuraven said:
Red Robin said:
Keys is known as a conservative black man with a good reputation...one of very few.



WHOA NELLIE!!! What a statement!!!!!

What'cha trying to say here RR...that black men with a " good" reputation are few and far between???



Be careful...your " Arkansas" is showing!!!! Better tuck in the white robe...the edge is showing!!!

I think she means that conservative men with a "good" reputation are few and far between. :lol:
 
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