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Government Gets Bigger in NYC

aplusmnt

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BOARD OF HEALTH VOTES TO PHASE OUT ARTIFICIAL TRANS FAT FROM NEW YORK CITY’S RESTAURANTS

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr2006/pr114-06.shtml

Go figure a Liberal City like NYC would tell People which Oils they can use to cook their French Fries in. :mad:

Where will it stop? Will they be telling us what fabric clothes we have to wear? What type of shoes we have to wear so our feet do not get hurt.

If I own a restaurant and want to cook my fries in Crisco oil, the Government should not be able to do a darn thing about it. :mad:

I have an American Right to get fat and die of Heart Disease if I so choose.
 

kolanuraven

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I have an American Right to get fat and die of Heart Disease if I so choose.[/quote]



Well...hurry up and get started!!! Ya had breakfast yet???
 

IL Rancher

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City councils are doing this because they don't want ot actually do important work.. Okay, maybe not but telll me what is mor emiportant transfats or the rubber rooms they send teachers who are unfit to teach but impossible to fire at the cost of millions per year in tax dollars? Hey, lets worry about frois grois being served in restraunts when their are city scandals left and right that need addressing (This is Chicago here which is also working on the trasfat thing).. Silly... Just silly... Even the mayor agrees and he is of couse the center of the political scadals, like father like son when it comes to the Daleys (Or anyone else involved in Machine politics in Illinois, Dem or Rep)
 

IL Rancher

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Oh reader,I do see it with the poor and uneduacated and heck, with the midle class too as folks are not eating at home more and more.... I do see it every day because guess what, rural poor aren't exactly eating any different than urban poor except their selection of fast food isn't as bg as the urban folks. I just think there are more important things to do for these large cities, bigger probems so to speak.

Why just target transfats, how about HFCS and other problem foods. Remove salt from all the restraunts because of high blood pressure, no cooking with butter becasue of cholesteral. cheese? You gotta be kidding, it will clog your arteries.. I just don't believe in this from of regulation. I have an idea, why don't we sin tax transfats, collect money for years to help fund education and treatment, and than in a few years bump it up until we decid that a good old class action suit is in order to help reimburse the states and cities foor all the money that the companies have cost us...Nah, that would never work. :wink:

Yes, the gutting of sports PE in school has had a great impact but so have many other factors. I know we were required to beon a school team through 10th grade (Had to in order to have enough people to make up teams) but we stll had a couple of girls that weighed 250+ that were 5 fot 4 or something like that and a coupe guys that were horibly out of shape.
 

IL Rancher

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found the state ettlement with the tabacoo companies to be hypocritical at best. They had been collecting taxes for years.. I aso dn't agree with the baning of moking incy bars. Think that is just stupid as no one has to work at a bar, go to a bar or own a bar. I just wish they would let the maket drive things like this instead of legislate it. There is already far too much government regulation in this world, we really don't need more.
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
The American taxpayer is paying for the hoards of people who eat only fast food and get no exercise. Y'all don't see it because you live a different kind of life but among the poor and undereducated -- and therefore those who our taxes pay for medical care for -- there is diabetes, heart and other serious health problems. They start eating only fast food as little kids. I think regulating the food and restaurant industry could result in a savings in 20 years. Also bringing back mandatory PE through 12th grade :mad: That or belonging to a school athletic team as a requirement.

I do not agree with the American Tax payer money going to pay for so much medical care either.

And yes maybe some lives will be in better health because of it. But another freedom is lost at the same time.

It is not the Governments Job to try to get people to live longer. It is the Governments Job to provide Highways, Police, Fire Department, an Army and just basically keep the Country moving along.

It is not the Governments job to tell us what Oil we can cook our Fry's in! Liberals get all crazy when someone wants to listen in on Conversations with suspicious potential Terrorist on the phone, they get all crazy when they think some civil liberties might be taken away from some person arrested for terrorist activity but not given a trial through the court systems.

But Liberals do not mind when the freedom of cooking French Fry's in good old fashion Crisco like their Mom has always did for years is taken away. When this is taken away they find a way to Justify it like Reader (the Second) is doing here.

Why could they not use them same Justification Power they possess to say it would be OK to put phone taps on suspicious people with potential Terrorist activity? Lives might be saved just the same as banning Crisco!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
 

TSR

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IL Rancher said:
City councils are doing this because they don't want ot actually do important work.. Okay, maybe not but telll me what is mor emiportant transfats or the rubber rooms they send teachers who are unfit to teach but impossible to fire at the cost of millions per year in tax dollars? Hey, lets worry about frois grois being served in restraunts when their are city scandals left and right that need addressing (This is Chicago here which is also working on the trasfat thing).. Silly... Just silly... Even the mayor agrees and he is of couse the center of the political scadals, like father like son when it comes to the Daleys (Or anyone else involved in Machine politics in Illinois, Dem or Rep)

Banning transfats is a win for everyone. Won't this ban result in more natural oils being used-more business for agriculture? Plus everyone should be somewhat healthier, hopefully resulting in lower insurance premiums. I wonder how many children are on gov't checks because their dad or mom died of a massive heart attack because of artery clogging stuff like trans fats. There's a lot of positives in this ban that aren't always apparent.
You know I hate that the gov't tells us to wear seatbelts. It kind of bothers me-its my car,I paid for it, I oughta be able to do as I please inside it. But if it saves the life of a young parent you might could avoid the negatives of a child being raised in a single parent home. JMHO
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Well...hurry up and get started!!! Ya had breakfast yet???


Aren't you a nice person Kolan? If I get sick and develop Heart Disease would you send me a care package to the Hospital? Then you could tell everyone how loving and caring you are by sending care packages to those sick in the hospital. :roll:

You know you can go around all day patting yourself on the back, try to get people to think good of you. But in the end comments like the one above help people (at least on here) see just how good of a heart you have. :wink:
 

aplusmnt

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TSR said:
IL Rancher said:
City councils are doing this because they don't want ot actually do important work.. Okay, maybe not but telll me what is mor emiportant transfats or the rubber rooms they send teachers who are unfit to teach but impossible to fire at the cost of millions per year in tax dollars? Hey, lets worry about frois grois being served in restraunts when their are city scandals left and right that need addressing (This is Chicago here which is also working on the trasfat thing).. Silly... Just silly... Even the mayor agrees and he is of couse the center of the political scadals, like father like son when it comes to the Daleys (Or anyone else involved in Machine politics in Illinois, Dem or Rep)

Banning transfats is a win for everyone. Won't this ban result in more natural oils being used-more business for agriculture? Plus everyone should be somewhat healthier, hopefully resulting in lower insurance premiums. I wonder how many children are on gov't checks because their dad or mom died of a massive heart attack because of artery clogging stuff like trans fats. There's a lot of positives in this ban that aren't always apparent.
You know I hate that the gov't tells us to wear seatbelts. It kind of bothers me-its my car,I paid for it, I oughta be able to do as I please inside it. But if it saves the life of a young parent you might could avoid the negatives of a child being raised in a single parent home. JMHO

Why is saving lives more important than all else until it steps on toes of Liberals such as Wire taps, and then it is not something the Government should be doing?

Who says it is the Governments job to save our lives? We are living longer than ever in history so let it be!

Would it not have saved many lives if our forefathers would have never fought the Revolutionary War that gave us the right to cook in Crisco in the first place.

The Trump card saving lives is not a good argument. Lots of thing could save lives but should the government tell us that we should not

Ride horses
Ride Motorcycles
Snow Ski
Maybe lower speed limit to 25 mph (it would save lives)
Should they outlaw small hybrid cars lots safer in an SUV
Fly Air planes
Eat Salt
Eat Beef
Drink alcohol
Walk the streets after dark
Should they ban NASCAR (DALE EARNHART would still be alive)
Ban Guns ( o wait they want to do this one)
Demand we all A.I. Since a few die each year from Bulls and A.I is safer
No more Boats,

When do we draw the line on Government control? I saw Crisco is a good place to start!
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
IL Rancher said:
City councils are doing this because they don't want ot actually do important work.. Okay, maybe not but telll me what is mor emiportant transfats or the rubber rooms they send teachers who are unfit to teach but impossible to fire at the cost of millions per year in tax dollars? Hey, lets worry about frois grois being served in restraunts when their are city scandals left and right that need addressing (This is Chicago here which is also working on the trasfat thing).. Silly... Just silly... Even the mayor agrees and he is of couse the center of the political scadals, like father like son when it comes to the Daleys (Or anyone else involved in Machine politics in Illinois, Dem or Rep)

Banning transfats is a win for everyone. Won't this ban result in more natural oils being used-more business for agriculture? Plus everyone should be somewhat healthier, hopefully resulting in lower insurance premiums. I wonder how many children are on gov't checks because their dad or mom died of a massive heart attack because of artery clogging stuff like trans fats. There's a lot of positives in this ban that aren't always apparent.
You know I hate that the gov't tells us to wear seatbelts. It kind of bothers me-its my car,I paid for it, I oughta be able to do as I please inside it. But if it saves the life of a young parent you might could avoid the negatives of a child being raised in a single parent home. JMHO

Why is saving lives more important than all else until it steps on toes of Liberals such as Wire taps, and then it is not something the Government should be doing?

Who says it is the Governments job to save our lives? We are living longer than ever in history so let it be!

Would it not have saved many lives if our forefathers would have never fought the Revolutionary War that gave us the right to cook in Crisco in the first place.

The Trump card saving lives is not a good argument. Lots of thing could save lives but should the government tell us that we should not

Ride horses
Ride Motorcycles
Snow Ski
Maybe lower speed limit to 25 mph (it would save lives)
Should they outlaw small hybrid cars lots safer in an SUV
Fly Air planes
Eat Salt
Eat Beef
Drink alcohol
Walk the streets after dark
Should they ban NASCAR (DALE EARNHART would still be alive)
Ban Guns ( o wait they want to do this one)
Demand we all A.I. Since a few die each year from Bulls and A.I is safer
No more Boats,

When do we draw the line on Government control? I saw Crisco is a good place to start!


I see your point of choice and it is a very valid point at that....I look at this decision based on what the title of your oringinal post used.....ARTIFICIAL.....is that enough to take choice away,I am not sure..the conala farmer may be happier though.....The way I may handled the problem was to make it harder to buy and use artificial oils,through taxing it,that way maybe forcing crisco to take it out of service and look for a more natural healthy product.Any time you leave choice up to a bussiness owner on product,90% of the time it will come down to price as long as the final product does not change....Do fries taste any different from one oil to the others?I have no idea,but if it does not and the Artificial oil is cheaper you know which one will be used by most...Again If they do like resturantes do with informing the public that they use msg,maybe let those that use trans fat also now inform that same public they are using artificial oils......There really is no win in this debate either way we lose something...health or freedom to choose....I guess in the end it depends on what you feel means more..........I think I would side with letting the people decide and keep the right to choose.....

whats your view on mandatory seat belt wearing while driving your car or a helmet while on a motocycle Aplus?....again just other choices taken away under the guise that its good for you.....
 

TSR

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
IL Rancher said:
City councils are doing this because they don't want ot actually do important work.. Okay, maybe not but telll me what is mor emiportant transfats or the rubber rooms they send teachers who are unfit to teach but impossible to fire at the cost of millions per year in tax dollars? Hey, lets worry about frois grois being served in restraunts when their are city scandals left and right that need addressing (This is Chicago here which is also working on the trasfat thing).. Silly... Just silly... Even the mayor agrees and he is of couse the center of the political scadals, like father like son when it comes to the Daleys (Or anyone else involved in Machine politics in Illinois, Dem or Rep)

Banning transfats is a win for everyone. Won't this ban result in more natural oils being used-more business for agriculture? Plus everyone should be somewhat healthier, hopefully resulting in lower insurance premiums. I wonder how many children are on gov't checks because their dad or mom died of a massive heart attack because of artery clogging stuff like trans fats. There's a lot of positives in this ban that aren't always apparent.
You know I hate that the gov't tells us to wear seatbelts. It kind of bothers me-its my car,I paid for it, I oughta be able to do as I please inside it. But if it saves the life of a young parent you might could avoid the negatives of a child being raised in a single parent home. JMHO

Why is saving lives more important than all else until it steps on toes of Liberals such as Wire taps, and then it is not something the Government should be doing?

Who says it is the Governments job to save our lives? We are living longer than ever in history so let it be!

Would it not have saved many lives if our forefathers would have never fought the Revolutionary War that gave us the right to cook in Crisco in the first place.

The Trump card saving lives is not a good argument. Lots of thing could save lives but should the government tell us that we should not

Ride horses
Ride Motorcycles
Snow Ski
Maybe lower speed limit to 25 mph (it would save lives)
Should they outlaw small hybrid cars lots safer in an SUV
Fly Air planes
Eat Salt
Eat Beef
Drink alcohol
Walk the streets after dark
Should they ban NASCAR (DALE EARNHART would still be alive)
Ban Guns ( o wait they want to do this one)
Demand we all A.I. Since a few die each year from Bulls and A.I is safer
No more Boats,

When do we draw the line on Government control? I saw Crisco is a good place to start!

Nothing wrong with Crisco - I don't believe it has any transfats. Well I don't know about you but I don't wany any of my paycheck going to families who've gone on welfare because the main breadwinner had a massive stroke or died from a heart attack, do you???? Especially when it could have been prevented. Your arguing this is unbelievable to me. BTW,all the things you listed that they should ban are all voluntary things. Nobody forces anyone to ski, hunt,etc. How many people are going to opt for artery clogging transfats when there is another option?
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
Banning transfats is a win for everyone. Won't this ban result in more natural oils being used-more business for agriculture? Plus everyone should be somewhat healthier, hopefully resulting in lower insurance premiums. I wonder how many children are on gov't checks because their dad or mom died of a massive heart attack because of artery clogging stuff like trans fats. There's a lot of positives in this ban that aren't always apparent.
You know I hate that the gov't tells us to wear seatbelts. It kind of bothers me-its my car,I paid for it, I oughta be able to do as I please inside it. But if it saves the life of a young parent you might could avoid the negatives of a child being raised in a single parent home. JMHO

Why is saving lives more important than all else until it steps on toes of Liberals such as Wire taps, and then it is not something the Government should be doing?

Who says it is the Governments job to save our lives? We are living longer than ever in history so let it be!

Would it not have saved many lives if our forefathers would have never fought the Revolutionary War that gave us the right to cook in Crisco in the first place.

The Trump card saving lives is not a good argument. Lots of thing could save lives but should the government tell us that we should not

Ride horses
Ride Motorcycles
Snow Ski
Maybe lower speed limit to 25 mph (it would save lives)
Should they outlaw small hybrid cars lots safer in an SUV
Fly Air planes
Eat Salt
Eat Beef
Drink alcohol
Walk the streets after dark
Should they ban NASCAR (DALE EARNHART would still be alive)
Ban Guns ( o wait they want to do this one)
Demand we all A.I. Since a few die each year from Bulls and A.I is safer
No more Boats,

When do we draw the line on Government control? I saw Crisco is a good place to start!


I see your point of choice and it is a very valid point at that....I look at this decision based on what the title of your oringinal post used.....ARTIFICIAL.....is that enough to take choice away,I am not sure..the conala farmer may be happier though.....The way I may handled the problem was to make it harder to buy and use artificial oils,through taxing it,that way maybe forcing crisco to take it out of service and look for a more natural healthy product.Any time you leave choice up to a bussiness owner on product,90% of the time it will come down to price as long as the final product does not change....Do fries taste any different from one oil to the others?I have no idea,but if it does not and the Artificial oil is cheaper you know which one will be used by most...Again If they do like resturantes do with informing the public that they use msg,maybe let those that use trans fat also now inform that same public they are using artificial oils......There really is no win in this debate either way we lose something...health or freedom to choose....I guess in the end it depends on what you feel means more..........I think I would side with letting the people decide and keep the right to choose.....

whats your view on mandatory seat belt wearing while driving your car or a helmet while on a motocycle Aplus?....again just other choices taken away under the guise that its good for you.....

I am against seat belt laws and Helmets for legal age adults. I understand the laws for children. Parents making bad decisions should not have the right to jeapordize their child's lives. But adults should have the right to choose their own fates.

I would support insurance agencies not having to pay out if seat belt or helmet was not worn. Just not the Government telling me what personal risk I am allowed to take.

I know people say but it cost the taxpayer money, well I would support taxpayers not paying for bills because a guy choose not to wear his seat belt, I just do not support being told what i do in the privacy of my own car or home.

As far as oils go, yes each oil does have its own distinct taste. Crispy ness and shelf life play a big part in oil choices.

I have no problem with mandatory menu labeling, so the consumer can see exactly what product they are buying. But I do not support picking out one thing and banning it. If they are going to pick one why not ban cigarettes or Salt in NYC? They both probably kill more people. And there is salt substitutes so we can compare apples to apples on this one.

How about they fight High Blood pressure instead of High Cholesterol, you see when you once you open this door there is not stopping Government control.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
TSR said:
aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
Banning transfats is a win for everyone. Won't this ban result in more natural oils being used-more business for agriculture? Plus everyone should be somewhat healthier, hopefully resulting in lower insurance premiums. I wonder how many children are on gov't checks because their dad or mom died of a massive heart attack because of artery clogging stuff like trans fats. There's a lot of positives in this ban that aren't always apparent.
You know I hate that the gov't tells us to wear seatbelts. It kind of bothers me-its my car,I paid for it, I oughta be able to do as I please inside it. But if it saves the life of a young parent you might could avoid the negatives of a child being raised in a single parent home. JMHO

Why is saving lives more important than all else until it steps on toes of Liberals such as Wire taps, and then it is not something the Government should be doing?

Who says it is the Governments job to save our lives? We are living longer than ever in history so let it be!

Would it not have saved many lives if our forefathers would have never fought the Revolutionary War that gave us the right to cook in Crisco in the first place.

The Trump card saving lives is not a good argument. Lots of thing could save lives but should the government tell us that we should not

Ride horses
Ride Motorcycles
Snow Ski
Maybe lower speed limit to 25 mph (it would save lives)
Should they outlaw small hybrid cars lots safer in an SUV
Fly Air planes
Eat Salt
Eat Beef
Drink alcohol
Walk the streets after dark
Should they ban NASCAR (DALE EARNHART would still be alive)
Ban Guns ( o wait they want to do this one)
Demand we all A.I. Since a few die each year from Bulls and A.I is safer
No more Boats,

When do we draw the line on Government control? I saw Crisco is a good place to start!

Nothing wrong with Crisco - I don't believe it has any transfats. Well I don't know about you but I don't wany any of my paycheck going to families who've gone on welfare because the main breadwinner had a massive stroke or died from a heart attack, do you???? Especially when it could have been prevented. Your arguing this is unbelievable to me. BTW,all the things you listed that they should ban are all voluntary things. Nobody forces anyone to ski, hunt,etc. How many people are going to opt for artery clogging transfats when there is another option?

I thought Crisco was the one that invented the process, that they were the originators of Trans-fat?

I can not believe you are arguing this either! Freedom to choose your cooking oil seems pretty basic. And eating in restaurants is voluntary much like all the other things I listed. Much like when you buy a dangerous 4-Wheeler and they put a warning sticker on gas tank that it is dangerous. This is all that needs to be done with Restaurants and their use of Trans-fats.

No one outlaws 4-Wheelers (well not yet, but give them time). I can not see anyone having a leg to stand on to defend a Government deciding what kinds of oils you have to cook with. Dis-closer I can understand but taking away freedom of choice rather you get to eat them tasty Krispy Kreme donuts as they been made for years or the new less taste ones.

We all know eating out is bad for us, we all know Krispy Kreme's are bad for us. But lots of men died for us to have the freedom to eat a Krispy Kreme, rather it will kill us or not!
 

TSR

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
aplusmnt said:
Why is saving lives more important than all else until it steps on toes of Liberals such as Wire taps, and then it is not something the Government should be doing?

Who says it is the Governments job to save our lives? We are living longer than ever in history so let it be!

Would it not have saved many lives if our forefathers would have never fought the Revolutionary War that gave us the right to cook in Crisco in the first place.

The Trump card saving lives is not a good argument. Lots of thing could save lives but should the government tell us that we should not

Ride horses
Ride Motorcycles
Snow Ski
Maybe lower speed limit to 25 mph (it would save lives)
Should they outlaw small hybrid cars lots safer in an SUV
Fly Air planes
Eat Salt
Eat Beef
Drink alcohol
Walk the streets after dark
Should they ban NASCAR (DALE EARNHART would still be alive)
Ban Guns ( o wait they want to do this one)
Demand we all A.I. Since a few die each year from Bulls and A.I is safer
No more Boats,

When do we draw the line on Government control? I saw Crisco is a good place to start!

Nothing wrong with Crisco - I don't believe it has any transfats. Well I don't know about you but I don't wany any of my paycheck going to families who've gone on welfare because the main breadwinner had a massive stroke or died from a heart attack, do you???? Especially when it could have been prevented. Your arguing this is unbelievable to me. BTW,all the things you listed that they should ban are all voluntary things. Nobody forces anyone to ski, hunt,etc. How many people are going to opt for artery clogging transfats when there is another option?

I thought Crisco was the one that invented the process, that they were the originators of Trans-fat?

I can not believe you are arguing this either! Freedom to choose your cooking oil seems pretty basic. And eating in restaurants is voluntary much like all the other things I listed. Much like when you buy a dangerous 4-Wheeler and they put a warning sticker on gas tank that it is dangerous. This is all that needs to be done with Restaurants and their use of Trans-fats.

No one outlaws 4-Wheelers (well not yet, but give them time). I can not see anyone having a leg to stand on to defend a Government deciding what kinds of oils you have to cook with. Dis-closer I can understand but taking away freedom of choice rather you get to eat them tasty Krispy Kreme donuts as they been made for years or the new less taste ones.

We all know eating out is bad for us, we all know Krispy Kreme's are bad for us. But lots of men died for us to have the freedom to eat a Krispy Kreme, rather it will kill us or not!

Its not the freedom of eating the Krispy Kreme that bothers me. Its the consequences of eating it that affects others. If it just affected the one eating it, then I am all for it! Its the effect it has on taxpayers and innocent children socially and economically, thats my point. I'm for anything that will help taxpayers and children.
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
TSR said:
aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
Nothing wrong with Crisco - I don't believe it has any transfats. Well I don't know about you but I don't wany any of my paycheck going to families who've gone on welfare because the main breadwinner had a massive stroke or died from a heart attack, do you???? Especially when it could have been prevented. Your arguing this is unbelievable to me. BTW,all the things you listed that they should ban are all voluntary things. Nobody forces anyone to ski, hunt,etc. How many people are going to opt for artery clogging transfats when there is another option?

I thought Crisco was the one that invented the process, that they were the originators of Trans-fat?

I can not believe you are arguing this either! Freedom to choose your cooking oil seems pretty basic. And eating in restaurants is voluntary much like all the other things I listed. Much like when you buy a dangerous 4-Wheeler and they put a warning sticker on gas tank that it is dangerous. This is all that needs to be done with Restaurants and their use of Trans-fats.

No one outlaws 4-Wheelers (well not yet, but give them time). I can not see anyone having a leg to stand on to defend a Government deciding what kinds of oils you have to cook with. Dis-closer I can understand but taking away freedom of choice rather you get to eat them tasty Krispy Kreme donuts as they been made for years or the new less taste ones.

We all know eating out is bad for us, we all know Krispy Kreme's are bad for us. But lots of men died for us to have the freedom to eat a Krispy Kreme, rather it will kill us or not!

Its not the freedom of eating the Krispy Kreme that bothers me. Its the consequences of eating it that affects others. If it just affected the one eating it, then I am all for it! Its the effect it has on taxpayers and innocent children socially and economically, thats my point. I'm for anything that will help taxpayers and children.
By that logic, I am sure you are also in favor of outlawing homosexuality. AIDS is expensive. Homosexuals are one of the largest carriers of AIDS.
 

TSR

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
TSR said:
aplusmnt said:
I thought Crisco was the one that invented the process, that they were the originators of Trans-fat?

I can not believe you are arguing this either! Freedom to choose your cooking oil seems pretty basic. And eating in restaurants is voluntary much like all the other things I listed. Much like when you buy a dangerous 4-Wheeler and they put a warning sticker on gas tank that it is dangerous. This is all that needs to be done with Restaurants and their use of Trans-fats.

No one outlaws 4-Wheelers (well not yet, but give them time). I can not see anyone having a leg to stand on to defend a Government deciding what kinds of oils you have to cook with. Dis-closer I can understand but taking away freedom of choice rather you get to eat them tasty Krispy Kreme donuts as they been made for years or the new less taste ones.

We all know eating out is bad for us, we all know Krispy Kreme's are bad for us. But lots of men died for us to have the freedom to eat a Krispy Kreme, rather it will kill us or not!

Its not the freedom of eating the Krispy Kreme that bothers me. Its the consequences of eating it that affects others. If it just affected the one eating it, then I am all for it! Its the effect it has on taxpayers and innocent children socially and economically, thats my point. I'm for anything that will help taxpayers and children.
By that logic, I am sure you are also in favor of outlawing homosexuality. AIDS is expensive. Homosexuals are one of the largest carriers of AIDS.

Sure, Why not lets just outlaw all sin. I guess we won't have any trouble finding some sinless judges to levy the fines.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Why not try education trough moderation instead of deciding just to tell people what they can or can not eat?.....The tax payer is not nearly hit as bad as the people with insurance rates that go up...Still the leading cause of the high cost of medical is Old age....Seniors use the system more than any other group in today's north American societies.....Now I am hoping you don't want the governmentt to say "Ok,after you hit seventy,we give you a big farewell party and well ,you know the rest"...

Maybe it is time to put a higher quality control on what gets put on the shelves of the grocery stores.....The food chain is starting to become out of control and with things like lettuce scares and ecoli at taco bells...Its time somebody looks at what we eat and why so much of it is detrimental to our over all health......I do not think cholesterol or high blood pressure are new to the human race....At one time,all they ate was beef,bread and beans,and you were old at 50 .....now people are living much longer,that is why we need better education on nutrition and moderation,starting from preschool right through to graduation....its time to put the health class back into the phys ed,programs...The one thing God gave us was choice.....the more informed one is,the right choice becomes easier to make.....
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
Why not try education trough moderation instead of deciding just to tell people what they can or can not eat?.....The tax payer is not nearly hit as bad as the people with insurance rates that go up...Still the leading cause of the high cost of medical is Old age....Seniors use the system more than any other group in today's north American societies.....Now I am hoping you don't want the governmentt to say "Ok,after you hit seventy,we give you a big farewell party and well ,you know the rest"...

Maybe it is time to put a higher quality control on what gets put on the shelves of the grocery stores.....The food chain is starting to become out of control and with things like lettuce scares and ecoli at taco bells...Its time somebody looks at what we eat and why so much of it is detrimental to our over all health......I do not think cholesterol or high blood pressure are new to the human race....At one time,all they ate was beef,bread and beans,and you were old at 50 .....now people are living much longer,that is why we need better education on nutrition and moderation,starting from preschool right through to graduation....its time to put the health class back into the phys ed,programs...The one thing God gave us was choice.....the more informed one is,the right choice becomes easier to make.....

That is what I am saying all along, information. All you have to do is require the Restaurants to supply nutritional information on their menu's. I am sure we would all love to know how many calories and products are in that plate of pasta at Olive Garden.

As far the argument some are making about taking this freedom away because it hurts the taxpayer. You try to make this out like the Taxpayers are all at home eating healthy cooked Veggies and Fruit. While those dying of Cholesterol are these evil non tax paying individuals.

Well they are the same people. Everyone eats out, these people eating out are the Taxpayers. So if they choose to eat out and then let their tax dollars suffer, then that is also their freedom.

We do need a healthier America but we should not be legislating our way into it. I imagine if these poor non taxpayers are costing us money by dying of Cholesterol in the end it is probably a wash, they die early never get to claim their Social Security Benefits and open up jobs for more healthy people. So why sweat it.

Besides people are living Longer now than they have ever in history. So why is it now so pressing that we take this freedom away. The Truth to the matter as an Average people are living longer, we are not faced with some medieval problem here of Doctors not washing their hands and as a result people barely live to be 50.

In the end the question is NYC the only one of 100 of thousands of cities in America the only smart one or on of the most Liberal ones that is taking away Personal Freedom's? I vote for the later of the two.
 
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