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Guess my post struck a nerve

MsSage

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Only problem I had was it was in the wrong area.
What was said was true and I agree BUT that should be debated in political not here.
Too bad there is not an option for a thread to be moved instead of deleted
 

katrina

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Well Nebraska knows what it will do come next election....That'll be an easy one.... Just like cattle you can't handle....... :wink:
 

nortexsook

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The other Senators who voted for it are just as culpable, but I found his sell out (give me goodies for my vote) especially egregious.
 

Soapweed

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nortexsook said:
The other Senators who voted for it are just as culpable, but I found his sell out (give me goodies for my vote) especially egregious.

You are absolutely right. His actions are despicable. :mad:
 

Liveoak

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Politians sell out all the time. What's the difference this time? Isn't this how the politicians get the big bucks for their state and lobbys - by holding out then selling to the highest bidder? I've yet to see a pork-free politician.

Yes, it would be nice if a mod could transfer a thread to it's proper place!
 

commonsense

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What's the difference between say a nelson or a blagonovich. They both were just trying to get as much out of something they had to offer. Whether it's a yes vote or a senators seat, they all are corrupt!
 

jingo2

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Soapweed said:
nortexsook said:
The other Senators who voted for it are just as culpable, but I found his sell out (give me goodies for my vote) especially egregious.

You are absolutely right. His actions are despicable. :mad:


He along with the rest are politicians....that's what they do.....why are you surprised?

Probably be glad that's ALL of candy he got for his vote.....could'be been worse.


Besides you NE folks of a certain age will benefit from it and I'm sure 99% of =you WILL NOT turn it down if needed in the future
 

nortexsook

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I think Soap said despicable and I said egregious. I wasn't "surprised", just sickened.

In a way we deserve what we have gotten. Everybody want something for nothing. And a quote I like, "the politician who robs from Peter to pay Paul can always depend on Paul's vote".
 

jingo2

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nortexsook said:
I think Soap said despicable and I said egregious. I wasn't "surprised", just sickened.

In a way we deserve what we have gotten. Everybody want something for nothing. And a quote I like, "the politician who robs from Peter to pay Paul can always depend on Paul's vote".


Very true statement.................
 

Whitewing

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jingo2 said:
Soapweed said:
nortexsook said:
The other Senators who voted for it are just as culpable, but I found his sell out (give me goodies for my vote) especially egregious.

You are absolutely right. His actions are despicable. :mad:


He along with the rest are politicians....that's what they do.....why are you surprised?

Probably be glad that's ALL of candy he got for his vote.....could'be been worse.


Besides you NE folks of a certain age will benefit from it and I'm sure 99% of =you WILL NOT turn it down if needed in the future

I agree that it's what politicians do, but I'm not so sure I recall ever having seen such overt or outright selling of votes. Maybe I just haven't been close enough attention.
 

Liveoak

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12/21/09 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34502819/ns/politics-health_care_reform/?GT1=43001

Who wins, who loses in Senate health bill
Closer look at what’s inside the legislation's latest version set


updated 9:16 p.m. CT, Sun., Dec . 20, 2009
WASHINGTON - The little town of Libby, Mont., isn't mentioned by name in the Senate's mammoth health care bill, but it's one of the big winners in the legislation, thanks to the influence of Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont.

After pushing for years for help for residents of the area, thousands of whom suffer from asbestos-related illnesses from a now-closed mineral mining operation, Baucus inserted language in a package of last-minute amendments that grants them access to Medicare benefits.

He didn't advertise the change, and it takes a close read of the bill to find it. It's just one example of how the sweeping legislation designed to remake the U.S. health care system and extend coverage to 30 million uninsured Americans also helps and hurts more narrow interests, often thanks to one lawmaker with influence or bargaining power.

Here's a look at some other winners and losers in the latest version of the legislation, which was expected to survive an initial test vote in the Senate around 1 a.m. Monday.

WINNERS

Cosmetic surgeons, who fended off a 5 percent tax on their procedures.
Nebraska, Louisiana, Vermont and Massachusetts. These states are getting more federal help paying for a proposed Medicaid expansion than other states are. In the case of Nebraska — represented by Sen. Ben Nelson, who's providing the critical 60th vote for the legislation to pass — the federal government is picking up 100 percent of the tab for the expansion, in perpetuity.

Beneficiaries of Medicare Advantage plans — the private managed-care plans within Medicare — in Florida. Hundreds of thousands of them will have their benefits grandfathered in thanks to a provision tailored by Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., that also affects a much smaller number of seniors in a few other states.

Longshoremen. They were added to the list of workers in high-risk professions who are shielded from the full impact of a proposed new tax on high-value insurance plans.

Community health centers. They got $10 billion more in the revised bill, thanks to advocacy by Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

A handful of physician-owned hospitals being built around the country — including one in Bellevue, Neb. — which would be permitted to get referrals from the doctors who own them, avoiding a new ban in the Senate bill that will apply to hospitals built in the future. Without mentioning Nebraska or other states by name, the Senate bill pushes back some legal deadlines by several months, in effect making a few hospitals that are near completion eligible to continue receiving referrals from the doctors who own them. Chalk up another win for Nelson.

AARP, the lobby for elderly people. The new Democratic bill has about $1 billion in extra Medicaid payments to states that provide visiting nurses and other in-home or community services to prevent low-income people from needing to be admitted to hospitals. In House-Senate bargaining, AARP also is expected to win one of their top priorities: a full closing of the so-called "doughnut hole," the gap in Medicare's coverage of prescription drugs.

LOSERS

Tanning salons, which are getting hit with a 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services, replacing the cosmetic surgery tax.

Progressives. They had to give up on their long-held dream of a new government-run insurance plan so that Democratic leaders could lock down the necessary votes from moderates.

People making over $200,000 a year. A proposed 0.5 percent increase in the Medicare payroll tax was bumped up to 0.9 percent in the latest version, putting the tax at 2.35 percent on income over $200,000 a year for individuals, $250,000 for couples.

Generic drug makers. They fought unsuccessfully to block 12 years of protection that makers of brand-name biotech drugs — expensive pharmaceuticals made from living cells — will get against generic would-be competitors.
 
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Anonymous

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Here is all of the statement on winners and losers:

AP – People opposed to the current health care bill cheer for former Republican presidential candidate Mike … By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer Erica Werner, Associated Press Writer – Mon Dec 21, 12:44 am ET
WASHINGTON – The little town of Libby, Mont., isn't mentioned by name in the Senate's mammoth health care bill, but its 2,900 citizens are big winners in the legislation, thanks to the influence of Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont.

After pushing for years for help for residents, many of whom suffer from asbestos-related illnesses from a now-closed mineral mining operation, Baucus inserted language in a package of last-minute amendments that grants them access to Medicare benefits.

He didn't advertise the change, and it takes a close read of the bill to find it. It's just one example of how the sweeping legislation designed to remake the U.S. health care system and extend coverage to 30 million uninsured Americans also helps and hurts more narrow interests, often thanks to one lawmaker with influence or bargaining power.

Here's a look at some other winners and losers in the latest version of the legislation, which was expected to survive an initial test vote in the Senate around 1 a.m. Monday.

WINNERS

_Cosmetic surgeons, who fended off a 5 percent tax on their procedures.

_Nebraska, Louisiana, Vermont and Massachusetts. These states are getting more federal help with Medicaid than other states. In the case of Nebraska — represented by Sen. Ben Nelson, who's providing the critical 60th vote for the legislation to pass — the federal government is picking up 100 percent of the tab of a planned expansion of the program, in perpetuity. Vermont and Massachusetts get temporary increases in the federal share of their Medicaid tabs. In Louisiana, moderate Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu negotiated $100 million for 2011 before announcing her support for the legislation.

_Beneficiaries of Medicare Advantage plans — the private managed-care plans within Medicare — in Florida. Hundreds of thousands of them will have their benefits grandfathered in thanks to a provision tailored by Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., that also affects a much smaller number of seniors in a few other states.

_Longshoremen. They were added to the list of workers in high-risk professions who are shielded from the full impact of a proposed new tax on high-value insurance plans. (Electrical linemen were already included, along with policemen, firefighters, emergency first responders and workers in construction, mining, forestry, fishing and certain agriculture jobs.)

_Community health centers. They got $10 billion more in the revised bill, thanks to advocacy by Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

_A handful of physician-owned hospitals being built around the country — including one in Bellevue, Neb. — which would be permitted to get referrals from the doctors who own them, avoiding a new ban in the Senate bill that will apply to hospitals built in the future. Without mentioning Nebraska or other states by name, the Senate bill pushes back some legal deadlines by several months, in effect making a few hospitals that are near completion eligible to continue receiving referrals from the doctors who own them. The provision was described by a pair of health industry lobbyists who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to speak freely. Chalk up another win for Nelson.

_AARP, the lobby for elderly people. The new Democratic bill has about $1 billion in extra Medicaid payments to states that provide visiting nurses and other in-home or community services to prevent low-income people from needing to be admitted to hospitals. In House-Senate bargaining, AARP also is expected to win one of their top priorities: a full closing of the so-called "doughnut hole," the gap in Medicare's coverage of prescription drugs.

_Doctors and hospitals in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming, who will get paid more than providers elsewhere under formulas in the bill.

_The University of Connecticut, which could be the beneficiary of $100 million for construction of a hospital inserted at the behest of Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election next year. The legislation leaves it up to the Health and Human Services Department to decide where the money should be spent, but spokesman Bryan DeAngelis said Dodd hopes to claim it for his state's university.

LOSERS

_Tanning salons, which are getting hit with a 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services, replacing the cosmetic surgery tax.

_Progressives. They had to give up on their long-held dream of a new government-run insurance plan so that Democratic leaders could lock down the necessary votes from moderates.

_People making over $200,000 a year. A proposed 0.5 percent increase in the Medicare payroll tax was bumped up to 0.9 percent in the latest version, putting the tax at 2.35 percent on income over $200,000 a year for individuals, $250,000 for couples.

_Generic drug makers. They fought unsuccessfully to block 12 years of protection that makers of brand-name biotech drugs — expensive pharmaceuticals made from living cells — will get against generic would-be competitors.
 

TexasBred

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nortexsook said:
The other Senators who voted for it are just as culpable, but I found his sell out (give me goodies for my vote) especially egregious.

In the "public work force" this would be called "bribery". A felony.
 

George

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If we were under any other regium (sp) most of the Democrats would be in jail - - - -look at Richard Nixon - - - - I just hope justice comes before we all go down!
 
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