Sandhusker
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Oldtimer said:
And regulating those weapons fixes what problem?
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And regulating those weapons fixes what problem?
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Sandhusker said:
It helps dull the scream that goes out nationwide the next time there is a Virgina Tech University or Columbine type shooting using assault weapons - and folks want to know why their government wasn't doing more to protect them- from both the weapons and the nutcases wielding them ...
And the overreaction which will eventually come if nothing is done.....
And comically- I've found over the years- that when its their friends, family, or acquaintances involved- conservatives can be just as loud or louder wanting to know why it was allowed to happen- and why government doesn't have more authority to head stuff off....
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Hypo2 said:
Assault weapon-- the AK 47 and Chicom styled stuff....
Sandhusker
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Oldtimer said:
Speaking of overreaction, neither the Virginia Tech shooter nor the Columbine shooters used any of the weapons on Obama's list. This obviously is yet another case of liberal's emotions overriding facts and logic.
Again, I ask, what problems are they solving?
Sandhusker
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Oldtimer said:
How many people have been killed in this country with a Chicom vs, say, prescription drugs? Beer? Smokes? Mountain climbing?
Trinity man
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I know those AR15 fully automatic would be nice hunting wild hogs. I could kill a herd of them then. 
Ben H
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Alice,
See, you define re-education as the camps and the communist/fascist sense of the idea. Americans are not properly educated on the founding of this country. I didn't say liberals need to be "forced" into re-education, they just need to re-educate themselves so they can make intelligent decisions instead of emotional ones. I believe in the political spectrum where communism and fascism are more similar then different and are both on the the left side with too much government. On the right is Anarchy, no government, that obviously doesn't work. In the middle is People's law, we need just enough government to prevent anarchy.
OT,
Gun control is a NO COMPROMISE game. Gun control doesn't work, it only allows criminals to be the armed ones and have no resistance. It's a flawed ideal. You can't compromise your rights, the anti-gunners will never stop, they will continue to take small bites until they can take big ones. They almost didn't add the bill of rights because they were Natural Law, they are the rights given to you by your creator, not a privilege given to you by your government. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is not understood? The fact that they used the word arms means weapons period. Technology had come a long way for them since stones and swords and they didn't want to set any limit. The whole idea is an armed population to defend themselves and keep the government in check. Government is a necessary evil, but it has the natural instinct to gain power, gain size and it's the peoples duty to keep that from happening. We can't argue with each other about what kind of guns are ok, what kind aren't, we need to stand together and look at what the right is, it's right there in the Constitution, it's pretty simple. There is no compromise
See, you define re-education as the camps and the communist/fascist sense of the idea. Americans are not properly educated on the founding of this country. I didn't say liberals need to be "forced" into re-education, they just need to re-educate themselves so they can make intelligent decisions instead of emotional ones. I believe in the political spectrum where communism and fascism are more similar then different and are both on the the left side with too much government. On the right is Anarchy, no government, that obviously doesn't work. In the middle is People's law, we need just enough government to prevent anarchy.
OT,
Gun control is a NO COMPROMISE game. Gun control doesn't work, it only allows criminals to be the armed ones and have no resistance. It's a flawed ideal. You can't compromise your rights, the anti-gunners will never stop, they will continue to take small bites until they can take big ones. They almost didn't add the bill of rights because they were Natural Law, they are the rights given to you by your creator, not a privilege given to you by your government. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is not understood? The fact that they used the word arms means weapons period. Technology had come a long way for them since stones and swords and they didn't want to set any limit. The whole idea is an armed population to defend themselves and keep the government in check. Government is a necessary evil, but it has the natural instinct to gain power, gain size and it's the peoples duty to keep that from happening. We can't argue with each other about what kind of guns are ok, what kind aren't, we need to stand together and look at what the right is, it's right there in the Constitution, it's pretty simple. There is no compromise
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Ben H- I'm not a gun control fanatic-- but do recognize thru time that as the technological advances came along it was necessary for the countries lawmakers to set some rules and regulations- which has been held up by the Supreme Court thru the years and even in their latest broader ruling...
But like I say- those that support anyone and everyone having access to any kind or type of weapon will be those that eventually lose us all our weapons...
Many already see all gun folks as extremists- and than when these gun groups support ownership of guns that have no real use or design than to kill people or fight wars- this fuels the fire...
Most moderate- and middle of the road folks- even gun owners can't see why anyone would want to or need to own weapons designed only for fighting wars and killing people...And the argument that they are needed to take on their subversive government- or protect themselves from the military- or makes them look more like whackjobs- and loses them more support...About the same as saying everyone needs a LAWS rocket in the closet......
I don't think assault weapons should be banned- but I do think there should be a much greater background check/restrictions for ownership- limits on amounts bought- so they can't be just fronting for some gangbanger group and buying 100's at a time- and tracing put on every one sold....
But like I say- those that support anyone and everyone having access to any kind or type of weapon will be those that eventually lose us all our weapons...
Many already see all gun folks as extremists- and than when these gun groups support ownership of guns that have no real use or design than to kill people or fight wars- this fuels the fire...
Most moderate- and middle of the road folks- even gun owners can't see why anyone would want to or need to own weapons designed only for fighting wars and killing people...And the argument that they are needed to take on their subversive government- or protect themselves from the military- or makes them look more like whackjobs- and loses them more support...About the same as saying everyone needs a LAWS rocket in the closet......
I don't think assault weapons should be banned- but I do think there should be a much greater background check/restrictions for ownership- limits on amounts bought- so they can't be just fronting for some gangbanger group and buying 100's at a time- and tracing put on every one sold....
Sandhusker
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OT, "I don't think assault weapons should be banned-..."
Well then, my friend, why have you been defending a ban?
Well then, my friend, why have you been defending a ban?
Mike
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Sandhusker said:
He's told so many lies, he can't keep up with them anymore. :roll: :roll:
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Sandhusker said:
I don't think I have- I've been defending the right to ban them or regulate them- just like machine gun ownership has been regulated....I prefer regulation....That is why I've always thought it would be in the best interest of both the pro gun and the anti gun to work together to come up with a compromise law-- rather than both their set in stone stances...
Mike
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First of all, those boys broke the law when they entered the school grounds with guns, bombs, and knives.
It didn't matter if the guns they carried were illegal, if the knives they carried were illegal, or the bombs they carried were illegal, they were intent on doing harm to others in some fashion.
Outlawing the guns (the assault weapons or the saw-off shotguns) was not an answer to this crime.
Government can't be all things to all people. Sometimes evil people will do evil things to others....................and it cannot be stopped.
Why don't we just outlaw "Evil" period?
Sandhusker
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Oldtimer said:
I keep asking what problem regulating and/or banning these weapons is going to fix and nobody has offered anything yet. The lack of an answer proves my point, that these weapons are really causing no problems, and thus nothing will be "fixed" by banning them! This is just the knee-jerk emotional response to a micro-issue that has no factual basis that we expect from liberals.
And to make matters worse, you're violating the Constitution in order to deal with the non-issue! Some rational thinking would be greatly appreciated, however that excludes liberals.
aplusmnt
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Oldtimer said:
That does not answer the question? AK 47' are not all automatic. We already have a ban on Automatics. I feel reasonable in that I can handle a ban on Automatics with out a special licenses. But just to ban guns like the AR15 or the AK 47 because they resemble their fully automatic counter parts is retarded!
I have an AR 15 Bushmaster and I have it for the sole reason it is a good target gun and a good gun to have around incase I need long range protection for my family. Should I be forced to have a Remington 700 to do this job just because some left loon believes that the AR 15 looks like the Military M16?
Larrry
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Rights Lost Through Government
"Crisis" Management
by Jim Butler
March 2009 GunNews
It appears the the bloom is already starting to fade on the Obama Administration as they face reality in trying to govern this great country of ours. Some of their supporters are openly talking about changing America to a socialist country. Even China is smarter than that. China has become an economic powerhouse by embracing the capitalistic system with its obvious advantages in modernizing their country. They are trying to move their country forward not backward. Anybody remember the dismal record of socialist East Germany?
Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff, is reported as saying never let a good "crisis" pass without taking advantage of it. These elitist politicians and their followers always claim authority by scientific, reasonable or enlightened reasons. Their rules are for the good of everyone as they take authority over all aspects of our lives. These include:
. Health
. Welfare
. Morality
. Safety
. Education
. Economy
These people believe that we are not smart enough to live without their rules, power, and say they "care" about our future. They believe anything not under government control is by definition out of control. Governments always gain power during times of crisis. Unfortunately the people never get them back! The crisis doesn't have to be a war. It can be any sort of "crisis", real or manufactured, that manipulates the people to give up their freedoms.
Firearm owners who have borne the brunt of such "crisis" know how these schemes work, but it is basically the same for the others listed above. Remember the events leading up to the enormously expensive stimulus package which our great grandchildren and even their children will have to pay for. And when it doesn't work there will be calls for another huge amount of money. Then the specter of hyper-inflation along with government control of business, socialism, and higher taxes. The economic stimulus package will end up costing us more than World War II.
Keep in mind how lawful firearm owners and their firearms have been demonized throughout the years. A good example is the phony 1994 "Assault Weapon Ban", against semiautomatic firearms which have been owned and used by American citizens for over 100 years. This was done by exploiting the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semiautomatic firearms. The Obama Administration would like to see the ban which expired in 2004, expanded and renewed again.
Here is how the "crisis" schemes work. A "crisis" is discovered by interest groups, the politicians who cater to them and the media who are in the politicians pocket.
Then the horror stories and statistics suddenly appear everywhere! Isolated tragedies or diseases are proclaimed as "Plagues", affecting millions!
Advocacy groups than target "Greedy" private interest groups that "caused" the problem. We are then told that our only hope is to pass Federal Legislation. Anyone who questions the "crisis" is damned by the media. Sound familiar?
New polls suddenly appear showing huge support for legislation to fix the problem. The public "demands" immediate action. Politicians then churn out massive legislation.
True facts are ignored as the public continues to accept the original exaggerated claims and lies.
Unfortunately, the nation has to live with these ill-conceived laws for years perhaps even centuries -- because oppressive laws are rarely repealed, nor are bad programs done away with.
When costs soar people suffer and corporate lawyers and bureaucrats are the real beneficiaries. When the laws and programs fail, the standard response is more laws and regulations along with more and harsher punishment.
When all this still doesn't work pass more and more laws, regulations, and still harsher punishment.
So now you have a slight inkling of where the Obama Administration is heading. Things don't look good for Americans especially if they happen to be entrepreneurs or firearm owners.
***
"A Constitution of government once changed
from freedom can never be restored.
Liberty once lost is lost forever."
John Quincy Adams.....U.S. President 1825-29
***
http://sangamoncorifleassociation.org/asiseeit/asiseeitmar09.html
"Crisis" Management
by Jim Butler
March 2009 GunNews
It appears the the bloom is already starting to fade on the Obama Administration as they face reality in trying to govern this great country of ours. Some of their supporters are openly talking about changing America to a socialist country. Even China is smarter than that. China has become an economic powerhouse by embracing the capitalistic system with its obvious advantages in modernizing their country. They are trying to move their country forward not backward. Anybody remember the dismal record of socialist East Germany?
Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff, is reported as saying never let a good "crisis" pass without taking advantage of it. These elitist politicians and their followers always claim authority by scientific, reasonable or enlightened reasons. Their rules are for the good of everyone as they take authority over all aspects of our lives. These include:
. Health
. Welfare
. Morality
. Safety
. Education
. Economy
These people believe that we are not smart enough to live without their rules, power, and say they "care" about our future. They believe anything not under government control is by definition out of control. Governments always gain power during times of crisis. Unfortunately the people never get them back! The crisis doesn't have to be a war. It can be any sort of "crisis", real or manufactured, that manipulates the people to give up their freedoms.
Firearm owners who have borne the brunt of such "crisis" know how these schemes work, but it is basically the same for the others listed above. Remember the events leading up to the enormously expensive stimulus package which our great grandchildren and even their children will have to pay for. And when it doesn't work there will be calls for another huge amount of money. Then the specter of hyper-inflation along with government control of business, socialism, and higher taxes. The economic stimulus package will end up costing us more than World War II.
Keep in mind how lawful firearm owners and their firearms have been demonized throughout the years. A good example is the phony 1994 "Assault Weapon Ban", against semiautomatic firearms which have been owned and used by American citizens for over 100 years. This was done by exploiting the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semiautomatic firearms. The Obama Administration would like to see the ban which expired in 2004, expanded and renewed again.
Here is how the "crisis" schemes work. A "crisis" is discovered by interest groups, the politicians who cater to them and the media who are in the politicians pocket.
Then the horror stories and statistics suddenly appear everywhere! Isolated tragedies or diseases are proclaimed as "Plagues", affecting millions!
Advocacy groups than target "Greedy" private interest groups that "caused" the problem. We are then told that our only hope is to pass Federal Legislation. Anyone who questions the "crisis" is damned by the media. Sound familiar?
New polls suddenly appear showing huge support for legislation to fix the problem. The public "demands" immediate action. Politicians then churn out massive legislation.
True facts are ignored as the public continues to accept the original exaggerated claims and lies.
Unfortunately, the nation has to live with these ill-conceived laws for years perhaps even centuries -- because oppressive laws are rarely repealed, nor are bad programs done away with.
When costs soar people suffer and corporate lawyers and bureaucrats are the real beneficiaries. When the laws and programs fail, the standard response is more laws and regulations along with more and harsher punishment.
When all this still doesn't work pass more and more laws, regulations, and still harsher punishment.
So now you have a slight inkling of where the Obama Administration is heading. Things don't look good for Americans especially if they happen to be entrepreneurs or firearm owners.
***
"A Constitution of government once changed
from freedom can never be restored.
Liberty once lost is lost forever."
John Quincy Adams.....U.S. President 1825-29
***
http://sangamoncorifleassociation.org/asiseeit/asiseeitmar09.html
Sandhusker
Well-known member
Reader, "Second, gun rights advocates do need to work with the anti folks to solve the problem in a WORKABLE way instead of yelling Second Amendment and Constitution."
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? You ban AR-15s and that solves WHAT?
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? You ban AR-15s and that solves WHAT?
Steve
Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
What compromise has the "anti-gun crowd" offered in the last 233 years?
aplusmnt
Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Just shows you how silly Liberals are, The AR 15 shoots the same bullet as the Ruger mini 14 Ranch rifle, but because one is shaped in the same style as an M 16 military rifle they want to ban it. Just more fluff and no substance from the Liberal!
