House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed cold water on the prospect of reinstating the assault weapons ban, highlighting Democrats’ reluctance to take on gun issues.
Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.
“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”
Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.
The White House declined to comment on Holder's remarks, referring reporters to the Department of Justice. The DoJ did not respond to The Hill's request for comment.
jodywy said:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1
But I thought he was going to leave our guns alone :???:
Oldtimer said:This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...
It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....
We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...
Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...
I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...
But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....
Sandhusker said:Oldtimer said:This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...
It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....
We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...
Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...
I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...
But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....
What percentage of legally purchased assault weapons have been involved in actual assaults?
Sandhusker said:Oldtimer said:This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...
It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....
We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...
Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...
I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...
But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....
What percentage of legally purchased assault weapons have been involved in actual assaults?
Oldtimer said:Sandhusker said:Oldtimer said:This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...
It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....
We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...
Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...
I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...
But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....
What percentage of legally purchased assault weapons have been involved in actual assaults?
No idea- but in some of the major mass whacko shootings- they were done with legally obtained assault weapons...
And when criminals have legal or easy access to these- they outgun law enforcement- just the same as back in the 30's and the days of the tommy gun....If you get a chance- watch the video of the Hollywood Bank robbery and shooting- and how the only way the outgunned police could stop them was to go into a gun store and steal several assault rifles...
Why do you need a gun with a 20-30-40 shot clip- unless you mean to go to war :???:
This is one that NRA would be smarter to go along with- maybe regain a lot of the respect/backing of law enforcement groups they lost before when they challenged the law and not look like an extremist group....
Why do you need a gun with a 20-30-40 shot clip- unless you mean to go to war
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The early colonists of America considered the militia an important social structure, necessary to provide defense and public safety. "They were a group of citizens who would be ready to fight in any emergency" All able-bodied males were expected to be members of the local militia,
In colonial era Anglo-American usage, militia service was distinguished from military service in that the latter was normally a commitment for a fixed period of time, probably at least a year, for a salary, whereas militia was only to meet a threat, or prepare to meet a threat, for periods of time expected to be short. Militia persons were normally expected to provide their own weapons, equipment, or supplies, although they may later be compensated for losses or expenditures.
The Supreme Court case United States v. Miller held that, in fact, the purpose of the Second Amendment is specifically to protect civilian ownership of weapons suitable for military use.
and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting --and they lost me....
Steve said:what part of "shall not be infringed" do you want abolished?
Oldtimer said:Steve said:what part of "shall not be infringed" do you want abolished?
So do you believe all gun laws should be abolished :???:
No age limit :???: No background check :???: Adjudicated mentally disturbed and felons should be allowed to buy and possess any type of firearm they want :???:
Anyone that can plop down the money- can have any type he wants :???:
Anyone should be able to walk in and buy a Thompson- or a 50 caliber machine gun and mount on his Truck- like they do in Somalia or Iraq :???:
Maybe just go back to the 1800's- do away with law enforcement- and make it rule by the gun-eh :???:
That is what civilized communities/nations do when they form governments- is make rules/laws to keep from "rule by the gun"...
And like I said before---It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....