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Gun Ban

Mike

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The Zer0 administration has initiated a gun ban here mainly to help Mexico with weapons going south........

SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

backhoeboogie

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Who has actually heard of an underground railroad of arms going anywhere?

Only libs are dumb enough to think I would donate my guns to an underground RR that doesn't even exist in the first place.
 

garn

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There's a reason why there was a run up on the sale of guns and ammo following the election. IMO, this is a slippery pole.
 

Ben H

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How much higher is this going to make prices go?

Magazines are a good investment right now, buy any of the common ones you can find in full capacity.

AR-15/M-16
G3/HK-91
AK
FAL (metric or inch)
Any handguns over 10 rd

With a new AWB, you can bet that the mags on the market will be worth 200-400% present value, or more.

Ok, new article that shows hope
http://www.opposingviews.com/articl...-trying-to-block-two-great-pro-gun-amendments
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed cold water on the prospect of reinstating the assault weapons ban, highlighting Democrats’ reluctance to take on gun issues.

Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.

“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.

The White House declined to comment on Holder's remarks, referring reporters to the Department of Justice. The DoJ did not respond to The Hill's request for comment.
 
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Anonymous

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This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...

It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....

We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...

Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...

I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...

But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...

It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....

We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...

Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...

I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...

But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....

What percentage of legally purchased assault weapons have been involved in actual assaults?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...

It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....

We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...

Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...

I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...

But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....

What percentage of legally purchased assault weapons have been involved in actual assaults?

No idea- but in some of the major mass whacko shootings- they were done with legally obtained assault weapons...

And when criminals have legal or easy access to these- they outgun law enforcement- just the same as back in the 30's and the days of the tommy gun....If you get a chance- watch the video of the Hollywood Bank robbery and shooting- and how the only way the outgunned police could stop them was to go into a gun store and steal several assault rifles...

Why do you need a gun with a 20-30-40 shot clip- unless you mean to go to war :???:

This is one that NRA would be smarter to go along with- maybe regain a lot of the respect/backing of law enforcement groups they lost before when they challenged the law and not look like an extremist group....
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...

It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....

We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...

Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...

I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...

But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....

What percentage of legally purchased assault weapons have been involved in actual assaults?

I can't wait...how many?

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
This is one issue I agreed with both Ronald Reagan and Obama on...

It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....And rules and regulations on ownership....

We all agree that this would be a chaotic world if anyone and everyone was allowed to drive around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on their vehicles, like some of the third world countries...

Most agree that 6 year olds and convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to walk in and buy firearms- along with those that have been adjudicated as mentally ill...

I used to be an NRA member- but split with them at the same time they lost most of their law enforcement backing they'd had for years...And that was over the assault weapons ban...To me- not everyone and anyone should have access to assault weapons- and that it should be much more difficult for anyone to get one...Much more rigorous background check-and tracking to prove they don't go to people that aren't supposed to have them...

But NRA bulled up- and wouldn't work with the anti gun folks to create sensible legislation- and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting--and they lost me....

What percentage of legally purchased assault weapons have been involved in actual assaults?

No idea- but in some of the major mass whacko shootings- they were done with legally obtained assault weapons...

And when criminals have legal or easy access to these- they outgun law enforcement- just the same as back in the 30's and the days of the tommy gun....If you get a chance- watch the video of the Hollywood Bank robbery and shooting- and how the only way the outgunned police could stop them was to go into a gun store and steal several assault rifles...

Why do you need a gun with a 20-30-40 shot clip- unless you mean to go to war :???:

This is one that NRA would be smarter to go along with- maybe regain a lot of the respect/backing of law enforcement groups they lost before when they challenged the law and not look like an extremist group....

If you have no idea how many are involved in assaults, then you have no idea how many assaults could possibly be prevented by banning the weapons and thus, no grounds for banning them. It's the standard liberal routine of operating on emotions and not facts.

Your reasoning for banning certain weapons is "You don't need it"? Are you willing to apply that standard equally? The government should be banning things that we don't need? Are you going to stand behind a whiskey ban, because certainly nobody needs whiskey?
 
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Anonymous

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Until you've seen a mentally disturbed alcoholic in DT's with a legally obtained Chicom- AK 47 shoot hundreds of rounds out and thru his house in a very small town- many into the school across the street- and neighboring houses (luckily killing or injuring no one )- and you have to go in and get him out-- I reserve the right to disagree with you....

I argued this point many times with my Undersheriff back in Reagan days- and argued against the ban on the 2nd Amendment grounds-- until the above incident occurred and until I saw some of the arsenals we found during drug raids...All bought across the counter....
If you're on the receiving end- it doesn't take long to change your mind- especially when governments don't have the funding to even put you on an even level.....The mass shootings of the last 10 years or so just solidified that belief....
 

Sandhusker

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You have no idea what effect a ban on certain weapons will have. None. Therefore, you have no arguement on banning them. One guy goes ape and the answer is a knee-jerk law that tramples on the rights of millions of people? Come on. More people have been killed by whiskey in this country than a crazy with a rifle. If saving lives is the reason behind the ban, why mess with rifles and not "gun" for whiskey?
 

Steve

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OT
Why do you need a gun with a 20-30-40 shot clip- unless you mean to go to war

hmmm,,,
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The early colonists of America considered the militia an important social structure, necessary to provide defense and public safety. "They were a group of citizens who would be ready to fight in any emergency" All able-bodied males were expected to be members of the local militia,


In colonial era Anglo-American usage, militia service was distinguished from military service in that the latter was normally a commitment for a fixed period of time, probably at least a year, for a salary, whereas militia was only to meet a threat, or prepare to meet a threat, for periods of time expected to be short. Militia persons were normally expected to provide their own weapons, equipment, or supplies, although they may later be compensated for losses or expenditures.

The Supreme Court case United States v. Miller held that, in fact, the purpose of the Second Amendment is specifically to protect civilian ownership of weapons suitable for military use.

so yes... by the constitution... and tradition.. we should be prepared to fight a war..
 

Steve

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and pulled the 2nd Amendment argument of "everyone should be allowed to walk the street with a Chicom AK-47"- and needed a 30 round clip for antelope hunting --and they lost me....

unless you a bad shot, and if you have a poor understanding of the 2nd amendment, then you do not need a "30 round clip for antelope hunting" but you should be able to have one for an emergency...

what part of "shall not be infringed" do you want abolished?
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
what part of "shall not be infringed" do you want abolished?

So do you believe all gun laws should be abolished :???:

No age limit :???: No background check :???: Adjudicated mentally disturbed and felons should be allowed to buy and possess any type of firearm they want :???:
Anyone that can plop down the money- can have any type he wants :???:
Anyone should be able to walk in and buy a Thompson- or a 50 caliber machine gun and mount on his Truck- like they do in Somalia or Iraq :???:

Maybe just go back to the 1800's- do away with law enforcement- and make it rule by the gun-eh :???:

That is what civilized communities/nations do when they form governments- is make rules/laws to keep from "rule by the gun"...

And like I said before---It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
what part of "shall not be infringed" do you want abolished?

So do you believe all gun laws should be abolished :???:

No age limit :???: No background check :???: Adjudicated mentally disturbed and felons should be allowed to buy and possess any type of firearm they want :???:
Anyone that can plop down the money- can have any type he wants :???:
Anyone should be able to walk in and buy a Thompson- or a 50 caliber machine gun and mount on his Truck- like they do in Somalia or Iraq :???:

Maybe just go back to the 1800's- do away with law enforcement- and make it rule by the gun-eh :???:

That is what civilized communities/nations do when they form governments- is make rules/laws to keep from "rule by the gun"...

And like I said before---It takes a happy balance between the everybody should own a Ma Deuce machine gun thinking of the NRA- and the no guns at all of the Liberals....

I have answered this before... you either support the right.. or you let others chip away at it... I choose to support the constitution.

as for your irrational arguments.. the courts have set limits.. I abide by the laws.. even if I disagree with them.. most of the limits effect the law abiding, not those who do not follow the law... those who you use as an example...

so by your rational if one person abuses the law then it is acceptable to limit another's persons rights..
 
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Anonymous

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Your right Steve- we do have gun laws- and they still allow many to own and bear firearms--but they do limit who and what....

I hate to see this one come up- because this is where the NRA and some gunrights supporters start looking like rightwing whacko extremists to lots of people-- because even many of the avid hunters, shooters, and law enforcement split away when it comes to assault weapons- as they see no use in them- and no place for them in a civilized country......And especially a bunch of folks running around saying its their right as self designated "militia's".....
This issue only gives ammo to the liberal "no-gun" movement to convince the moderates and middle of the roaders that the NRA and pro gun groups are all whackjobs-- and in the longrun weakens the movement for good honest folks to keep the right to bear/own useful firearms...
 
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