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gun consfications begin in NY

Steve

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News came from multiple NY State based firearms enthusiast websites late Friday that confiscations of Pistol Owner ID Cards, as well as firearms and accessories has commenced in NY under the provisions of the horribly flawed, draconian and blatantly unconstitutional NY SAFE Act.


“John Doe, an upstanding professional with no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history. The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a basis for handgun license revocation.

James Tresmond Esq confirmed in our conversation that the above mentioned case is occurring in Erie County NY, it is his client that has been effected, and as yet unknown sources have seen fit to take it upon themselves to share confidential medical records with NY State Officials without authorization, a massive HIPPA violation.

It seems these supposedly confidential records are then compared against a list of known NY pistol license holders and letters are sent out demanding their Pistol Owner ID Cards be surrendered, as well as any firearms and accessories.

Moreover, the confiscation efforts underway in NY State have had another, albeit unintended effect. By undertaking this course of action, those in power have inadvertently pulled back the curtain on something they have suppressed from the Citizens for far to long, leaving them with precious little wiggle room to explain away their actions.

Either they are acknowledging that there is in fact some sort of little reported link between the prescribing of psychotropic drugs and violent behavior, thus they are somehow, at least in their own minds “justified” in their actions to preempt someone from violence.
Or, this is nothing more then a backdoor confiscation effort and massive abuse of governmental power unleashed on innocent Citizens.

Those are the only two possible explanations.

Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-york-gun-confiscation-underway/#ixzz2PyZjJKQD

now all they need is a list of vets and they can grab a bunch more guns..

This type of gun grabbing will not solve the problem,.. if anything.. it will prevent someone who desperately needs treatment from seeking it...
 

Whitewing

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I'd think a few more sources are needed before running with the story. Having said that, I fear it's what's headed your way.
 

Steve

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Whitewing said:
I'd think a few more sources are needed before running with the story. Having said that, I fear it's what's headed your way.

I have a few friends in upstate New York.. one is a combat vet..

the other an avid hunter.. as they both already have permits and past hunting licenses many of their guns are already on one list or another..

both have indicated that they are cautiously looking at the law to see how it will effect them.. and how they will deal with any weapons not already on one list or another..

but one thing they know is that the liberals intentions are clear..

“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it,” the governor said.

n late December, New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo, a Democrat, said that confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens "could be an option."

the state uses it's pistol permit process to confiscate guns already... it is a ready list and now the list will cover all guns..

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/04/n-y-dads-pistol-license-suspended-over-something-his-10-year-old-son-said-and-it-could-be-8-years-before-he-gets-it-back/
 

Whitewing

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Steve said:
Whitewing said:
I'd think a few more sources are needed before running with the story. Having said that, I fear it's what's headed your way.

I have a few friends in upstate New York.. one is a combat vet..

the other an avid hunter.. as they both already have permits and past hunting licenses many of their guns are already on one list or another..

both have indicated that they are cautiously looking at the law to see how it will effect them.. and how they will deal with any weapons not already on one list or another..

but one thing they know is that the liberals intentions are clear..

“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it,” the governor said.

n late December, New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo, a Democrat, said that confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens "could be an option."

the state uses it's pistol permit process to confiscate guns already... it is a ready list and now the list will cover all guns..

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/04/n-y-dads-pistol-license-suspended-over-something-his-10-year-old-son-said-and-it-could-be-8-years-before-he-gets-it-back/

I don't doubt any of that. I was referring specifically to the following:

“John Doe, an upstanding professional with no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug.

There have long been many barriers to the sharing of medical data. Are those barriers now coming down in the name of gun control?
 

Steve

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There have long been many barriers to the sharing of medical data. Are those barriers now coming down in the name of gun control?

that barrier is already gone in the new york gun bill.. and has been extensively debated locally..

by the look of it the patient confidentiality of psychiatrists now only applies to liberal nut jobs.. (and maybe pedophiles )


NPR

Critics: Mentally Ill Patients' Confidentiality Compromised In New York's Gun Law

the law says that they must report a patient to mental health authorities if they reasonably judge the patient is likely to do something that would seriously harm himself or others.

Under the new law, it's no longer a matter between the patient and me or any other therapist. It's now something that is revealed to the state. And when that happens, I'm afraid - and I know many of my colleagues share this concern - that patients simply won't come. Or if they do come, they won't tell us what's on their mind because they know that that will trigger an obligation to break their confidentiality and let the state in on their secrets as well.

SIEGEL: Is a psychiatrist or a psychologist, for that matter, obliged to report a patient who, say, is troubled by pedophile impulses that he hasn't acted on but conceivably might or a patient who expresses feelings toward a parent that verge on the murderous?

APPELBAUM: No. In the current situation, therapists are obliged to do their best to try to help their patients deal with their thoughts and impulses rather than acting on them. And they are free to use any means at their disposal to do that. But all of that remains within the therapist-patient dyad. The state doesn't get involved at any point.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/15/169452238/critics-mentally-ill-patients-confidentiality-compromised-in-new-yorks-new-gun-l

also page 9 about covers it..
http://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/consumer_affairs/resources/docs/Understanding_HIPAA.pdf

Patient/Client
Q: Who has access to my mental health treatment information?

In some cases, disclosures can be made without your specific authorization.And there are other situations where you have no right to consent.
 

Steve

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what this argument about mental health boils down to is liberal thinking..

in their opinion you must be crazy to want to have any gun.. and bats**t crazy to want more then one or anything beyond a shotgun..

and they know conservatives do not want bats**t crazy folk to have guns..

so now that everyone is in agreement.. they want to take away all the guns... from all the folk they think are crazy.. especially the bats**t crazy ones with black scary guns..
 

Larrry

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You knew they were coming after guns, but I never dreamed of all the different tactics they would use.
They even throw out absurd ideas to overwhelm the citizens. They know many wont work but they look at it they just get a few today. Theyll start fresh tomorrow trying to grab more rights.
 
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