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Gun Control Agenda leads to WHAT

Tam

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Oldtimer I just heard that US citizens fear the Obama plan for extended background checks because they believe it will lead to gun registry where the Government will know where every gun in the US is if they ever want to confiscate them. So my question for you is will you be a good little Obama cultist and register your guns ALL YOUR GUNS if Obama gets his Liberal Left Progressive way?

Do you believe as your hero does that registering guns will stop gun violence?

BTW the US could learn a little something from little brother Canada on healthcare and this topic. As our stupid Libs figured registration would fix all our gun problems too so they wasted over 2 billion dollars on their bandaid plan and after years of fighting the system it was repealed as it was just another Liberal nanny state program to waste hard earned tax dollars that FIXED NOTHING. :roll:
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer I just heard that US citizens fear the Obama plan for extended background checks because they believe it will lead to gun registry where the Government will know where every gun in the US is if they ever want to confiscate them. So my question for you is will you be a good little Obama cultist and register your guns ALL YOUR GUNS if Obama gets his Liberal Left Progressive way?

Every gun I have is already registered with make, model, and serial number in the Neighborhood Watch property identification book that is in the big safe in the Sheriffs Office...
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer I just heard that US citizens fear the Obama plan for extended background checks because they believe it will lead to gun registry where the Government will know where every gun in the US is if they ever want to confiscate them. So my question for you is will you be a good little Obama cultist and register your guns ALL YOUR GUNS if Obama gets his Liberal Left Progressive way?

Every gun I have is already registered with make, model, and serial number in the Neighborhood Watch property identification book that is in the big safe in the Sheriffs Office...

We are not talking about a book in the local Sheriff's office Oldtimer, we are talking about a US Government database that anyone that wants to see can by hacking the system.

You have stated you will not support registering your cattle in a government database as you believe the system will be used to hold you accountable if your cattle make somebody sick, so now you expect us to believe you will support registering all your guns with that same government so they have access to the knowledge of where every legal gun in the US is. I say legal because a criminal is not going to register their ILLEGAL GUNS and if they don't the system is USELESS. As the legal guns are NOT THE PROBLEM.

So will you support Obama if he wants a National Gun Registry?
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer I just heard that US citizens fear the Obama plan for extended background checks because they believe it will lead to gun registry where the Government will know where every gun in the US is if they ever want to confiscate them. So my question for you is will you be a good little Obama cultist and register your guns ALL YOUR GUNS if Obama gets his Liberal Left Progressive way?

Every gun I have is already registered with make, model, and serial number in the Neighborhood Watch property identification book that is in the big safe in the Sheriffs Office...

We are not talking about a book in the local Sheriff's office Oldtimer, we are talking about a US Government database that anyone that wants to see can by hacking the system.

You have stated you will not support registering your cattle in a government database as you believe the system will be used to hold you accountable if your cattle make somebody sick, so now you expect us to believe you will support registering all your guns with that same government so they have access to the knowledge of where every legal gun in the US is. I say legal because a criminal is not going to register their ILLEGAL GUNS and if they don't the system is USELESS. As the legal guns are NOT THE PROBLEM.

So will you support Obama if he wants a National Gun Registry?

My cattle sales are already registered in a government data base too-- with the Montana Dept of Livestock...
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Every gun I have is already registered with make, model, and serial number in the Neighborhood Watch property identification book that is in the big safe in the Sheriffs Office...

We are not talking about a book in the local Sheriff's office Oldtimer, we are talking about a US Government database that anyone that wants to see can by hacking the system.

You have stated you will not support registering your cattle in a government database as you believe the system will be used to hold you accountable if your cattle make somebody sick, so now you expect us to believe you will support registering all your guns with that same government so they have access to the knowledge of where every legal gun in the US is. I say legal because a criminal is not going to register their ILLEGAL GUNS and if they don't the system is USELESS. As the legal guns are NOT THE PROBLEM.

So will you support Obama if he wants a National Gun Registry?

My cattle sales are already registered in a government data base too-- with the Montana Dept of Livestock...

GET THIS WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOCAL SAFE OR STATE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NATIONAL DATABASE WHERE THE FEDS CAN USE THE INFORMATION IN ANYWAY THEY SEE FIT BE IT YOUR GUN INFO OR CATTLE INFO.

DO YOU SUPPORT A NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY THAT OBAMA AND THE LIBERAL LEFT ARE HEADED FOR?
:roll:

edited so Oldtimer will not use my spelling mistake to further stall in answering a simple yes or no question. :wink:
 

Larrry

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Of bad two times to answer and he didnt answer. All he did is issue two answers of drivel skirting the question

His failure to do says so much about ot. Now that he is called on it no matter what he say amounts to nothing
 

loomixguy

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Old Dumbass doesn't WANT to answer the question. Books in a Sheriff's safe, MT Dep't of Livestock, next it'll be his vehicles are registered at the MT DMV!

He just can't say anything bad about his Dear Leader and DL's minions.

Grow and drop a pair, Old Spineless, and answer the lady's question!!!
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said he was going to toss a little meat out when he came out of hiding and as like all the stuff he tosses around, the meat has been digested and passed though already. CRAP PURE CRAP . :roll:
 
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Any of that State info is readily available to any Federal Officer either on a need to know basis or with a search warrant or Investigative Subpeona...

And I don't think you will see a Federal Registry in your lifetime Tammy- so I think all these $ you are spending on Depends could be better spent... :wink:

Manchin, Toomey reach gun deal including background checks

By Alexander Bolton and Jonathan Easley - 04/10/13 12:00 PM ET





Republican Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Wednesday announced a deal to expand background checks for gun sales, paving the way for Senate passage of gun-violence legislation.

The proposal would expand background checks to cover all sales at gun shows and over the Internet. Those background checks would have to be accompanied by records proving to law enforcement officials they took place.

It would exempt gun sales and transfers between friends and acquaintances without the help of an online intermediary.

"The events at Newtown, surely the events at Newtown, changed us all,” said Manchin, referring to the mass shooting in Connecticut that killed 20 elementary school children in December.

To address concerns of Republican lawmakers such as Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), the legislation explicitly bans the federal government from creating a national firearms registry and imposes criminal penalties for persons who misuse firearm records.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/292867-sens-manchin-toomey-to-unveil-details-on-background-check-talks#ixzz2Q6NORTM3
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Larrry

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Ots answer either proves he is utterly stupid or being intellectually dishonest
Not to say it can't be both but any one with common sense would eventually see Obama is a lost cause and admit it
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Any of that State info is readily available to any Federal Officer either on a need to know basis or with a search warrant or Investigative Subpeona...

And I don't think you will see a Federal Registry in your lifetime Tammy- so I think all these $ you are spending on Depends could be better spent... :wink:

Manchin, Toomey reach gun deal including background checks

By Alexander Bolton and Jonathan Easley - 04/10/13 12:00 PM ET





Republican Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Wednesday announced a deal to expand background checks for gun sales, paving the way for Senate passage of gun-violence legislation.

The proposal would expand background checks to cover all sales at gun shows and over the Internet. Those background checks would have to be accompanied by records proving to law enforcement officials they took place.

It would exempt gun sales and transfers between friends and acquaintances without the help of an online intermediary.

"The events at Newtown, surely the events at Newtown, changed us all,” said Manchin, referring to the mass shooting in Connecticut that killed 20 elementary school children in December.

To address concerns of Republican lawmakers such as Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), the legislation explicitly bans the federal government from creating a national firearms registry and imposes criminal penalties for persons who misuse firearm records.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/292867-sens-manchin-toomey-to-unveil-details-on-background-check-talks#ixzz2Q6NORTM3
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Oh COME ON Oldtimer go on the record I dare you!!!! :wink:
Do you support you hero's push for further gun control and his push for a NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY? Not a Local or State, A FULL OUT NATIONAL REGISTRY. OH AND As far as the Congress and what they support We all have seen what Obama thinks about legal Congressional votes on leftwing liberal agenda issues can you say EXECUTIVE ORDER OLDTIMER? :?

It is a simple question DO YOU SUPPORT A NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY?
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Any of that State info is readily available to any Federal Officer either on a need to know basis or with a search warrant or Investigative Subpeona...

And I don't think you will see a Federal Registry in your lifetime Tammy- so I think all these $ you are spending on Depends could be better spent... :wink:

Manchin, Toomey reach gun deal including background checks

By Alexander Bolton and Jonathan Easley - 04/10/13 12:00 PM ET





Republican Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Wednesday announced a deal to expand background checks for gun sales, paving the way for Senate passage of gun-violence legislation.

The proposal would expand background checks to cover all sales at gun shows and over the Internet. Those background checks would have to be accompanied by records proving to law enforcement officials they took place.

It would exempt gun sales and transfers between friends and acquaintances without the help of an online intermediary.

"The events at Newtown, surely the events at Newtown, changed us all,” said Manchin, referring to the mass shooting in Connecticut that killed 20 elementary school children in December.

To address concerns of Republican lawmakers such as Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), the legislation explicitly bans the federal government from creating a national firearms registry and imposes criminal penalties for persons who misuse firearm records.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/292867-sens-manchin-toomey-to-unveil-details-on-background-check-talks#ixzz2Q6NORTM3
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Oh COME ON Oldtimer go on the record I dare you!!!! :wink:
Do you support you hero's push for further gun control and his push for a NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY? Not a Local or State, A FULL OUT NATIONAL REGISTRY. OH AND As far as the Congress and what they support We all have seen what Obama thinks about legal Congressional votes on leftwing liberal agenda issues can you say EXECUTIVE ORDER OLDTIMER? :?

It is a simple question DO YOU SUPPORT A NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY?


Tam- I'm split...The Libertarian in me opposes more federal involvement--BUT the law enforcement officer in me knows that with mandatory registration and possibly additional requirements there could be more crimes solved- and it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country (which Bush and Obama both unsuccessfully tried to get to in their stings)....

I guess- having worked with government agents, policemen and government police agencies for so long I don't fear them like so many of the extremists do...They are for the most part just plain old common folks out doing the job they were hired to do to protect the citizenry...

Its just like an old cowboy I was talking to the other day said "If you can't protect your family with 10 rounds, you're probably more of a threat to them than the intruder"....
 

loomixguy

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He won't answer it, and we all know why he won't. :roll: Just when we thought he couldn't look stupider, a question with a simple yes or no answer has stopped him in his tracks....... :lol: :lol: :lol:


But it's all Bush's fault, anyway........ :wink:

Old Eunuch....hehehe :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Steve

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and it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country

isn't that already illegal?

if so how is "expanding" the existing worthless background checks to more law abiding citizens going to help?

in reality only a national database of buyers, gun serial numbers and recovered weapons used in crimes would end most straw purchasers..

if that is explicitly banned,.. then really what is the point?
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam- I'm split...The Libertarian in me opposes more federal involvement--


BUT the law enforcement officer in me knows that with mandatory registration and possibly additional requirements there could be more crimes solved- ....


it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country (which Bush and Obama both unsuccessfully tried to get to in their stings)....

I guess- having worked with government agents, policemen and government police agencies for so long I don't fear them like so many of the extremists do...They are for the most part just plain old common folks out doing the job they were hired to do to protect the citizenry...

Its just like an old cowboy I was talking to the other day said "If you can't protect your family with 10 rounds, you're probably more of a threat to them than the intruder"....

The Libertarian in you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

As for the solving crimes Like I said look to the Canadian gun registry :roll: the LIBERALS here thought the same thing but what we saw were reports where police officers relied on the info of what guns were registered but when they knocked on the door the illegal guns were the ones used to kill them.
It turned out we wasted $2 billion dollars on a system that might have put people in more danger as they were not expecting the fire power some of these kooks were hiding. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO REGISTER ILLEGAL GUNS AND THEY ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, That is why Canada not longer has a long gun registry.

Face it there are laws on the books in the US and they are not being enforced so will new laws that are meant to destroy the Second Amendment even further really be enough to keep the leftwingnuts happy? What is next Oldtimer Knives being ban since 14 were stabbed on a College campus in Texas?

And it is comical how you don't fear the guys you worked with for so long like the "EXTREMISTS DO", because they are just common old folk out protecting the citizenry. BUT if anyone of them asked you to Nationally register your cattle for the protection of that same citizenry from tainted beef, you would refuse cause it will cost you something to comply. You don't want that registry as if those common old folks go looking for the problem they will be holding the packing plant responsible not the ranchers that sent them the tainted animals. :roll:


BTW what the old cowboy is saying is the guy defending his family should be limited to just how much protection he can provide for his family against an intruder and his buddies that are all carrying a legal amount of ammo. As we all know Oldtimer an intruder and his buddies are going to follow the letter of the law and only bring what they can legally have. :roll:
 
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Steve said:
and it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country

isn't that already illegal?

if so how is "expanding" the existing worthless background checks to more law abiding citizens going to help?

in reality only a national database of buyers, gun serial numbers and recovered weapons used in crimes would end most straw purchasers..


if that is explicitly banned,.. then really what is the point?

Oh I know- Tam is just playing what ifs- and I don't answer hypotheticals..

But like I said- that is where I am split... I hate to take tools away from law enforcement that could be putting away bad folks who are profiteering off the pain and deaths suffered by innocent folks....

But also like I said- I haven't worried much about it because they won't pass a national database...
 
it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country (which Bush and Obama both unsuccessfully tried to get to in their stings)....

Absolute Bullpucky . The bush operation had a method ( all be it flawed in some cases ) of tracking the " walked " firearms and arresting the straw buyers .

The BATFE under Holder and Obama did not so much as attempt to track or arrest anyone while shoving firearms over the border to murder innocent Mexican nationals . I suspect they would still be doing it in an attempt to inflate statistics if a Border Patrolman had not gotten himself killed by a " walked gun " when he was using a glorified paint ball gun on smugglers in accordance with the same administrations policy on illegals .
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
and it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country

isn't that already illegal?

if so how is "expanding" the existing worthless background checks to more law abiding citizens going to help?

in reality only a national database of buyers, gun serial numbers and recovered weapons used in crimes would end most straw purchasers..


if that is explicitly banned,.. then really what is the point?

Oh I know- Tam is just playing what ifs- and I don't answer hypotheticals..

But like I said- that is where I am split... I hate to take tools away from law enforcement that could be putting away bad folks who are profiteering off the pain and deaths suffered by innocent folks....

But also like I said- I haven't worried much about it because they won't pass a national database...

They might not pass it Oldtimer but when has that ever stopped Obama when he wants to push HIS AGENDA. I remember when the Supreme Court told Obama his Off Shore drilling moratorium was illegal but did Obama listen NO. The Congress voted no on his Dream Act but did he care no he told his administration to go around the Congress and do it through the backdoor. And what else has he done through the backdoor via the EPA?

The guy could care less about what the Congress says as it is his way or the highway. HE WON HE WRITES THE BILLS REMEMBER OLDTIMER. :x
 

Mike

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RedneckRepairs said:
it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country (which Bush and Obama both unsuccessfully tried to get to in their stings)....

Absolute Bullpucky . The bush operation had a method ( all be it flawed in some cases ) of tracking the " walked " firearms and arresting the straw buyers .

The BATFE under Holder and Obama did not so much as attempt to track or arrest anyone while shoving firearms over the border to murder innocent Mexican nationals . I suspect they would still be doing it in an attempt to inflate statistics if a Border Patrolman had not gotten himself killed by a " walked gun " when he was using a glorified paint ball gun on smugglers in accordance with the same administrations policy on illegals .

Correct. Hillary had already made a statement that 90% (or something to that effect) of the guns in Mexico had come from the U.S., in a effort to implement gun control here.

They let guns walk to justify that statement...........................

According to sources, Hillary was obsessed with gun statistics that would prove that ’90% of the firearms used by Mexican criminals come from the United States.’ As previouly reported, that meme, repeated incessantly by Democratic Senators, Barack Obama, certan members of the ATF, Janet Napolitano, and Hillary Clinton was patently and blatantly false. The fact that they all knew it was false is borne out by the lengths to which each of the above named co-conspirators went to attempt to ‘prove’ that the 90% figure was true. Again, Vanderboegh relates the following:

My sources say that this battle of the “statistics” was taken very seriously by all players — the White House, State and Justice. Yet, WHY was this game of statistics so important to the players? If some weapons from the American civilian market were making it to Mexico into the hand of drug gang killers that was bad enough. What was the importance of insisting that it was 90 percent, 80 percent, or finally 70 percent? Would such statistics make any difference to the law enforcement tactics necessary to curtail them? No. This statistics mania is similar to the focus on “body counts” in Vietnam. Yet if Vietnam body counts were supposed to be a measure of how we were winning that war, the focus on the 90 percent meme was certainly not designed to be a measure of how we were winning the war against arming the cartels, but rather by what overwhelming standard we were LOSING. Why? Recall what the whistleblower ATF agents told us right after this scandal broke in the wake of the death of Brian Terry: “ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics.”
 

Whitewing

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RedneckRepairs said:
it would hinder or stop the straw buyers that are trafficking large amounts of weapons to Mexican cartels and drug dealers around the country (which Bush and Obama both unsuccessfully tried to get to in their stings)....

Absolute Bullpucky . The bush operation had a method ( all be it flawed in some cases ) of tracking the " walked " firearms and arresting the straw buyers .

The BATFE under Holder and Obama did not so much as attempt to track or arrest anyone while shoving firearms over the border to murder innocent Mexican nationals . I suspect they would still be doing it in an attempt to inflate statistics if a Border Patrolman had not gotten himself killed by a " walked gun " when he was using a glorified paint ball gun on smugglers in accordance with the same administrations policy on illegals .

Yeah, OT is really po'd at Holder and Dear Leader for that fiasco.












:lol: God I crack myself up sometimes.
 
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