hypocritexposer
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
hypocritexposer said:Same guy, interview on nannity about "undercover video"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac0iNXiwuEE
Tam said:hypocritexposer said:Same guy, interview on nannity about "undercover video"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac0iNXiwuEE
Huckabee had a lady from Canada on this weekend and she was telling him of her experiences with Canadian health care and the crowd gasped when she told them that her docters in Canada told her she hadn't been in pain long enough to warrent moving her surgery date up. At the time the docters told her that she was 28 years old, walking with a walker, wearing diapers due to no bladder control left and she was addicted to Morphine. She finally got her surgery but now her teenage son was the same back problem and the docters are putting him through the same run around as they put her through. She is not going to allow her son to go through the same, so she is taking him for surgery in the US and paying for the cost herself. She was told her son could have the surgery within days in the US not YEARS like she had to wait for it in Canada.
But hey we all love this system we have. :wink: :roll: Scary thing is when the US goes to the same systems where will those in both the US and Canada, that can't wait for treat go. :?![]()
:clap: :clap: For every story Tam brings up theres tons more that ARE happy with the care they get. We're very lucky to have great hospitals,nursing staff,Dr's etc we have in Canada but its always easy to find shite if your diggin in a manure pile....Silver said:Tam said:hypocritexposer said:Same guy, interview on nannity about "undercover video"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac0iNXiwuEE
Huckabee had a lady from Canada on this weekend and she was telling him of her experiences with Canadian health care and the crowd gasped when she told them that her docters in Canada told her she hadn't been in pain long enough to warrent moving her surgery date up. At the time the docters told her that she was 28 years old, walking with a walker, wearing diapers due to no bladder control left and she was addicted to Morphine. She finally got her surgery but now her teenage son was the same back problem and the docters are putting him through the same run around as they put her through. She is not going to allow her son to go through the same, so she is taking him for surgery in the US and paying for the cost herself. She was told her son could have the surgery within days in the US not YEARS like she had to wait for it in Canada.
But hey we all love this system we have. :wink: :roll: Scary thing is when the US goes to the same systems where will those in both the US and Canada, that can't wait for treat go. :?![]()
You should know that for every horror story someone digs up about our health care you could travel south of the line and find more just like it only worse. I'm sick to death of folks running this system into the ground assuming its all roses elsewhere else. Spend some time looking into the horrors of the US system and you may appreciate ours a little more.
One may suppose too that if we paid anything near what the American tax payer pays for health care ours would be 2 1/2 times better? Because from what they were saying on FOX the other day (if they can be trusted :wink: ) is that the US gov't is spending north of $6000 per person on health care now, whereas the Canadian gov't pays somewhere around $2,800. Perhaps you need to start a lobby to increase taxes for health care if you are so unhappy with our system.
Mrs.Greg said::clap: :clap: For every story Tam brings up theres tons more that ARE happy with the care they get. We're very lucky to have great hospitals,nursing staff,Dr's etc we have in Canada but its always easy to find shite if your diggin in a manure pile....Silver said:Tam said:Huckabee had a lady from Canada on this weekend and she was telling him of her experiences with Canadian health care and the crowd gasped when she told them that her docters in Canada told her she hadn't been in pain long enough to warrent moving her surgery date up. At the time the docters told her that she was 28 years old, walking with a walker, wearing diapers due to no bladder control left and she was addicted to Morphine. She finally got her surgery but now her teenage son was the same back problem and the docters are putting him through the same run around as they put her through. She is not going to allow her son to go through the same, so she is taking him for surgery in the US and paying for the cost herself. She was told her son could have the surgery within days in the US not YEARS like she had to wait for it in Canada.
But hey we all love this system we have. :wink: :roll: Scary thing is when the US goes to the same systems where will those in both the US and Canada, that can't wait for treat go. :?![]()
You should know that for every horror story someone digs up about our health care you could travel south of the line and find more just like it only worse. I'm sick to death of folks running this system into the ground assuming its all roses elsewhere else. Spend some time looking into the horrors of the US system and you may appreciate ours a little more.
One may suppose too that if we paid anything near what the American tax payer pays for health care ours would be 2 1/2 times better? Because from what they were saying on FOX the other day (if they can be trusted :wink: ) is that the US gov't is spending north of $6000 per person on health care now, whereas the Canadian gov't pays somewhere around $2,800. Perhaps you need to start a lobby to increase taxes for health care if you are so unhappy with our system.
Silver said:Tam said:hypocritexposer said:Same guy, interview on nannity about "undercover video"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac0iNXiwuEE
Huckabee had a lady from Canada on this weekend and she was telling him of her experiences with Canadian health care and the crowd gasped when she told them that her docters in Canada told her she hadn't been in pain long enough to warrent moving her surgery date up. At the time the docters told her that she was 28 years old, walking with a walker, wearing diapers due to no bladder control left and she was addicted to Morphine. She finally got her surgery but now her teenage son was the same back problem and the docters are putting him through the same run around as they put her through. She is not going to allow her son to go through the same, so she is taking him for surgery in the US and paying for the cost herself. She was told her son could have the surgery within days in the US not YEARS like she had to wait for it in Canada.
But hey we all love this system we have. :wink: :roll: Scary thing is when the US goes to the same systems where will those in both the US and Canada, that can't wait for treat go. :?![]()
You should know that for every horror story someone digs up about our health care you could travel south of the line and find more just like it only worse. I'm sick to death of folks running this system into the ground assuming its all roses elsewhere else. Spend some time looking into the horrors of the US system and you may appreciate ours a little more.
One may suppose too that if we paid anything near what the American tax payer pays for health care ours would be 2 1/2 times better? Because from what they were saying on FOX the other day (if they can be trusted :wink: ) is that the US gov't is spending north of $6000 per person on health care now, whereas the Canadian gov't pays somewhere around $2,800. Perhaps you need to start a lobby to increase taxes for health care if you are so unhappy with our system.
November 13, 2008—Canada’s health care spending is expected to reach $171.9 billion in 2008, or $5,170 per person, according to new figures released today by the Canadian Institute for Health Information
aplusmnt said:Not sure happy is even an issue here. Are the facts correct, that is the question? Do people have to wait for care? Do people get turned away from treatment because they are not in enough pain? Do people have to wait for MRI's for Months?
I would just like to know the facts, not how people feel about it. Do people have to wait for months for an MRI? Do people have to wait Months for Surgeries on Knees? What is the facts behind these claims?
Most people do not get sick that much, so most people will probably be happy! The problem lies in how happy are those that need help? I am sure the healthy 25 year old that has never been sick is happy. But what about the mom of a child needing a surgery or has to wait for an MRI to even know what is wrong, should the fact the 25 year old healthy person is happy make them feel better?
June 22, 2009
Canada's Health Care System: Poor Value
The beginning of May marks the end of income tax season in Canada. Over one-half of the personal income taxes Canadians just paid in aggregate are required to cover the cost of our taxpayerfunded health care program. Given this level of expenditure, you might expect that Canadians receive world-class access to health care. But the evidence demonstrates that this is not so.
Consider Canada’s waiting lists, which are among the longest in the developed world.
■ In 2007, waiting lists for access to health care in Canada reached a new all-time high of 18.3 weeks from general practitioner referral to treatment by a specialist. Despite substantial increases in both health spending and federal cash transfers to the provinces for health care over the last decade or so, this wait time is 54% longer than the overall median wait time of 11.9 weeks back in 1997.
■ Canadians were more likely to experience waiting times of more than six months for elective surgery than Australians, Germans, the Dutch, and New Zealanders, but slightly less likely than patients in the United Kingdom;
■ Canadians were least likely among the six nations to wait less than one month for elective surgery;
■ Canadians were most likely to wait six days or longer to see a doctor when ill, and were least likely among the six universal access nations surveyed to receive an appointment the same
day or the next day; and,
■ Canadians were least likely to wait less than one hour and most likely to wait two hours or more for access to an emergency room among the six universal access nations surveyed
That is hardly the sort of access you might expect from the developed world’s third most expensive universal access health insurance system.[/quote]
'Too Old' for Hip Surgery
The Wall Street Journal
Date Published: February 9, 2009
President Obama and Congressional Democrats are inching the U.S. toward government-run health insurance. Last week's expansion of SCHIP -- the State Children's Health Insurance Program -- is a first step. Before proceeding further, here's a suggestion: Look at Canada's experience.
Health-care resources are not unlimited in any country, even rich ones like Canada and the U.S., and must be rationed either by price or time. When individuals bear no direct responsibility for paying for their care, as in Canada, that care is rationed by waiting.
Canadians often wait months or even years for necessary care. For some, the status quo has become so dire that they have turned to the courts for recourse. Several cases currently before provincial courts provide studies in what Americans could expect from government-run health insurance.
In Ontario, Lindsay McCreith was suffering from headaches and seizures yet faced a four and a half month wait for an MRI scan in January of 2006. Deciding that the wait was untenable, Mr. McCreith did what a lot of Canadians do: He went south, and paid for an MRI scan across the border in Buffalo. The MRI revealed a malignant brain tumor.
Ontario's government system still refused to provide timely treatment, offering instead a months-long wait for surgery. In the end, Mr. McCreith returned to Buffalo and paid for surgery that may have saved his life. He's challenging Ontario's government-run monopoly health-insurance system, claiming it violates the right to life and security of the person guaranteed by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Shona Holmes, another Ontario court challenger, endured a similarly harrowing struggle. In March of 2005, Ms. Holmes began losing her vision and experienced headaches, anxiety attacks, extreme fatigue and weight gain. Despite an MRI scan showing a brain tumor, Ms. Holmes was told she would have to wait months to see a specialist. In June, her vision deteriorating rapidly, Ms. Holmes went to the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, where she found that immediate surgery was required to prevent permanent vision loss and potentially death. Again, the government system in Ontario required more appointments and more tests along with more wait times. Ms. Holmes returned to the Mayo Clinic and paid for her surgery.
On the other side of the country in Alberta, Bill Murray waited in pain for more than a year to see a specialist for his arthritic hip. The specialist recommended a "Birmingham" hip resurfacing surgery (a state-of-the-art procedure that gives better results than basic hip replacement) as the best medical option. But government bureaucrats determined that Mr. Murray, who was 57, was "too old" to enjoy the benefits of this procedure and said no. In the end, he was also denied the opportunity to pay for the procedure himself in Alberta. He's heading to court claiming a violation of Charter rights as well.
These constitutional challenges, along with one launched in British Columbia last month, share a common goal: to win Canadians the freedom to spend their own money to protect themselves from the inadequacies of the government health-insurance system.
The cases find their footing in a landmark ruling on Quebec health insurance in 2005. The Supreme Court of Canada found that Canadians suffer physically and psychologically while waiting for treatment in the public health-care system, and that the government monopoly on essential health services imposes a risk of death and irreparable harm. The Supreme Court ruled that Quebec's prohibition on private health insurance violates citizen rights as guaranteed by that province's Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms.
The experiences of these Canadians -- along with the untold stories of the 750,794 citizens waiting a median of 17.3 weeks from mandatory general-practitioner referrals to treatment in 2008 -- show how miserable things can get when government is put in charge of managing health insurance.
In the wake of the 2005 ruling, Canada's federal and provincial governments have tried unsuccessfully to fix the long wait times by introducing selective benchmarks and guarantees along with large increases in funding. The benchmarks and the guarantees aren't ambitious: four to eight weeks for radiation therapy; 16 to 26 weeks for cataract surgery; 26 weeks for hip and knee replacements and lower-urgency cardiac bypass surgery.
Canada's system comes at the cost of pain and suffering for patients who find themselves stuck on waiting lists with nowhere to go. Americans can only hope that Barack Obama heeds the lessons that can be learned from Canadian hardships.
nonothing said:I do not understand why any of you put any faith into what a traitor of two countries like Tam has to say.....She really has no clue on either side of the issues.she continues to bring up negative stories about Canada,yet she remains totally silent on the plight of families dealing with the American system.....Another one sided conservative agenda forced down peoples throats here...
First off in America if you do not have company based health care you simply cannot afford to get sick....
Second you all bitch about big business paying higher taxes yet I never hear a peep that your against them having to pay medical coverage..Why should they have to pay for employees medicare?
Tam said:nonothing said:I do not understand why any of you put any faith into what a traitor of two countries like Tam has to say.....She really has no clue on either side of the issues.she continues to bring up negative stories about Canada,yet she remains totally silent on the plight of families dealing with the American system.....Another one sided conservative agenda forced down peoples throats here...
First off in America if you do not have company based health care you simply cannot afford to get sick....
Second you all bitch about big business paying higher taxes yet I never hear a peep that your against them having to pay medical coverage..Why should they have to pay for employees medicare?
Facts scare you nonothing. :wink:
nonothing said:I do not understand why any of you put any faith into what a traitor of two countries like Tam has to say.....She really has no clue on either side of the issues.she continues to bring up negative stories about Canada,yet she remains totally silent on the plight of families dealing with the American system.....Another one sided conservative agenda forced down peoples throats here...
First off in America if you do not have company based health care you simply cannot afford to get sick....
Second you all bitch about big business paying higher taxes yet I never hear a peep that your against them having to pay medical coverage..Why should they have to pay for employees medicare?
aplusmnt said:nonothing said:I do not understand why any of you put any faith into what a traitor of two countries like Tam has to say.....She really has no clue on either side of the issues.she continues to bring up negative stories about Canada,yet she remains totally silent on the plight of families dealing with the American system.....Another one sided conservative agenda forced down peoples throats here...
First off in America if you do not have company based health care you simply cannot afford to get sick....
Second you all bitch about big business paying higher taxes yet I never hear a peep that your against them having to pay medical coverage..Why should they have to pay for employees medicare?
At least in America the ones that do not get health care did not pay for it and then not get it! You guys all pay for your health care, every Canadian pays for something that they then get rationed to them.
In America if you pay for something you get it, When I did not pay for health insurance I still got an MRI once, Got surgery once I had more medical help with no insurance than I have had since with Insurance.
But the main point is if you pay you get what you pay for, seems in Canada you all pay through high taxes, but then do not always get what you paid for. You get put on waiting list, you get put on pain medicine instead of surgery. I would sure hate to pay for a Pizza and then have to wait 6 months to eat it, if I was still alive!
When you compare America to Canada you point out people not getting something that they did not pay for. When we talk about Canada we do not like the idea that you pay for something that you do not get!
Which is worse you tell me?
NO Tam you won't listen to facts. Our system isn't perfect but its nowhere near as bad as the negative posts you keep making.You don't seem to understand for every complaining post you make there's tons out there that are good.Unfortunatly rarely do people report the good.Tam said:nonothing said:I do not understand why any of you put any faith into what a traitor of two countries like Tam has to say.....She really has no clue on either side of the issues.she continues to bring up negative stories about Canada,yet she remains totally silent on the plight of families dealing with the American system.....Another one sided conservative agenda forced down peoples throats here...
First off in America if you do not have company based health care you simply cannot afford to get sick....
Second you all bitch about big business paying higher taxes yet I never hear a peep that your against them having to pay medical coverage..Why should they have to pay for employees medicare?
Facts scare you nonothing. :wink: