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Half say "Iraq had WMD's"

Cal

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50 percent of U.S. says Iraq had WMDs
By Jennifer Harper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 25, 2006
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060724-110410-8309r.htm

Half of Americans now say Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the United States invaded the country in 2003 -- up from 36 percent last year, a Harris poll finds. Pollsters deemed the increase both "substantial" and "surprising" in light of persistent press reports to the contrary in recent years.
The survey did not speculate on what caused the shift in opinion, which supports President Bush's original rationale for going to war. Respondents were questioned in early July after the release of a Defense Department intelligence report that revealed coalition forces recovered 500 aging chemical weapons containing mustard or sarin gas nerve agents in Iraq.
"Filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist," said Sen. Rick Santorum, Pennsylvania Republican, during a June 21 press conference detailing the newly declassified information.
Rep. Peter Hoekstra, chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, who shared the podium, said, "Iraq was not a WMD-free zone."
In recent weeks, the Michigan Republican has recommended that more material confiscated since the invasion be declassified and made public, including a 1998 standing order to Iraqi officials to hide or destroy weapons and thus evade inspectors from the United Nations.
Meanwhile, the Harris poll offered some positive feedback on Iraq. Seventy-two percent of respondents said the Iraqi people are better off now than under Saddam Hussein's regime -- a figure similar to that of 2004, when it stood at 76 percent. In addition, 64 percent say Saddam had "strong links" with al Qaeda, up from 62 percent in October 2004. Fifty-five percent said that "history will give the U.S. credit for bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq."
And although the response is tepid, American confidence in the Iraqis has improved: 37 percent said Iraq would succeed in creating a stable democracy, up five points since November.
Americans remain in touch with the realities of Iraq: 61 percent said the conflict has motivated more Islamic terrorists to attack the U.S. -- a number that has remained virtually unchanged since 2004.
An additional 41 percent say the war has reduced the threat of another major terrorist attack in the United States, a sentiment also unchanged in the past two years.
The financial burden of the war may be less keenly felt. The poll found that 56 percent said spending "huge amounts" for ongoing military efforts in Iraq means less funds are available to protect Americans at home. The figure was 62 percent last year, but 51 percent in 2004.
Has the war earned respect for the U.S. overseas? Sixty-eight percent said "no," the same as last year. The figure stood at 62 percent in 2004.
The poll of 1,020 adults was conducted July 5 to 11 and has a margin of error of three percentage points.
 

BBJ

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Where's the resisdent libs on this one? :???: And yall know who you are. IF not I'll help out :eek: ......I won't throw any names just yet.....but if yall stay silent I just might have too! :shock: Come on now all that said Bush lied speak up on this one. :oops: Did he (saddam, I thought I'd better clarify that one for them :lol: ) have WMD's or not?

I finally got dis to admit that this war is not about President Bush wanting to get saddam :wink: and judging by your post Cal, more Americans are rejecting the liberal media's bashing of this war and going with the more common sense approach.

Thanks for a great post!

It's just too bad so many here that LOVE to bash our President have avoided this one this long. :nod:

Lets see if this wakes them up any?????
 

nonothing

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Faster horses said:
I've been wondering where they are as well.

I'll do my part and BUMP this to the top again. :wink:



Ok,so what were these WMD'S?.Was this survey taken at a dallas gun show?How do you have the arrogance to ask people of another country,if they think the people of Iraq are better off today because of Thier country invasion Iraq?How were these questions phrased...Honestly I know you people go out of your way to hate livereals and pedilstal bush,but this is ludicris.How on earth do americans know how other countries think...This poll is so far from meaningless,it is not even worth printing....You repulicans won your WMD'S,if you are calling the mustard gas as your find....Again that is lame,as it was so far degraded,it was deemed unuseable by your own defense dept..If the question is.....did the usa find evidence of mustard gas in Iraq,the answer is yes they did.......if the next question is.....could mustard gas be consider an WMD,the answer is yes.....So there you go you win.you are right,there was WMD there.......just one that if disturb,was so fragile,it would kill the ones trying to handle it,before they would get a chance to use it
 

BBJ

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nonothing said:
Faster horses said:
I've been wondering where they are as well.

I'll do my part and BUMP this to the top again. :wink:



Ok,so what were these WMD'S?.Was this survey taken at a dallas gun show?How do you have the arrogance to ask people of another country,if they think the people of Iraq are better off today because of Thier country invasion Iraq?How were these questions phrased...Honestly I know you people go out of your way to hate livereals and pedilstal bush,but this is ludicris.How on earth do americans know how other countries think...This poll is so far from meaningless,it is not even worth printing....You repulicans won your WMD'S,if you are calling the mustard gas as your find....Again that is lame,as it was so far degraded,it was deemed unuseable by your own defense dept..If the question is.....did the usa find evidence of mustard gas in Iraq,the answer is yes they did.......if the next question is.....could mustard gas be consider an WMD,the answer is yes.....So there you go you win.you are right,there was WMD there.......just one that if disturb,was so fragile,it would kill the ones trying to handle it,before they would get a chance to use it

Well there's one! :lol:

Thanks at least for being honest nonthing. :clap: I at least think a little more of you now. But I don't think the "agreement" was that saddam could keep the degraded ones. :lol2: He was supposed to get rid of ALL WMD's not just the ones he deemed necessary. :wink: So since we found this one, (well actually 500 aging chemical weapons containing mustard or sarin gas) that in your view doesn't really count, what does? THis article has nothing to do with asking another country if they think the people if Iraq are better off..... you may need to go back and read it again it actually said "50 percent of U.S. says Iraq had WMDs".
 

kolanuraven

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I'm here!

What is the measure/qualification for WMD anyway? How is this measured, by whom ?

A shotgun with a scatter load could be qualified as WMD!


As so what..." half of Americans say"....who made them experts? Was this 50% of Americans in Iraq to make this call???

No doubt Saddam had some bad shite....all countries have that to some degree. But I seriously doubt, and it was later confirmed that HE DID NOT anything that could reach our shores......as so many Bush people lead us to believe at first.
 
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Anonymous

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US Intelligance and Security folks are now predicting that US soil will be attacked by a WMD- probably a dirty bomb, sometime in the next year or two...They also feel that we will probably have a nuclear device detonated on US soil within the upcoming 10 years.....

The less sources to get these from or to deliver them the better...
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
I'm here!

What is the measure/qualification for WMD anyway? How is this measured, by whom ? (SPIN)

A shotgun with a scatter load could be qualified as WMD! (SPIN)


As so what..." half of Americans say"....who made them experts? Was this 50% of Americans in Iraq to make this call??? (SPIN)

No doubt Saddam had some bad shite....all countries have that to some degree. But I seriously doubt, and it was later confirmed that HE DID NOT anything that could reach our shores......as so many Bush people lead us to believe at first. (SPIN)

:lol2: spin! :lol2: spin! :lol2: spin! :lol2: spin! :lol2:

How convienent you missed the question. I'll give you another chance to answer it like nonthing did. :wink:


Did he (saddam, I thought I'd better clarify that one for them ) have WMD's or not?
 

kolanuraven

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I don't know..... andI don't know what constitutes a WMD and no one else seems to know either so I can't answer that until I have a standard to measure by.


The UN inspectors didnot/were not allowed to complete their reports....so none of us will ever know....and ya know what it doesn't matter now!!

Why is my shotgun anaolgy spin???? I'd consider it a WMD! If you don't.... I need you here to catch the local thief cause you must have cojones the size of coconuts if you don't consider that a weapon of mass destruction!
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
I don't know..... andI don't know what constitutes a WMD and no one else seems to know either so I can't answer that until I have a standard to measure by.


The UN inspectors didnot/were not allowed to complete their reports....so none of us will ever know....and ya know what it doesn't matter now!!

Why is my shotgun anaolgy spin???? I'd consider it a WMD! If you don't.... I need you here to catch the local thief cause you must have cojones the size of coconuts if you don't consider that a weapon of mass destruction!


So did Bush lie about them or not? Since YOU don't know then what gives YOU the right to say Bush lied?
 

kolanuraven

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He came out himself and said that there we no WMD in Iraq!!

This was after he said, at his State of the Union I believe, that there WERE, w/o doubt WMD's all aimed at us!!!!

Do I believe he lied? Yes I do. I honestly believe he wanted this war as a gotcha to Saddam and he was gonna have it no matter what.

Like Forrest Gump...." that's all I know 'bout that"
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
He came out himself and said that there weRE no WMD in Iraq!! But "coalition forces recovered 500 aging chemical weapons containing mustard or sarin gas nerve agents in Iraq." So he was wrong? Maybe but my question is if these were still there what else could be? OR did you take that out of context and he was really saying that they were moved out of Iraq before the start of the war?

This was after he said, at his State of the Union I believe, that there WERE, w/o doubt WMD's all aimed at us!!!! And given the fact that he is privy to more secret intellegence than yourself I believe him!

Do I believe he lied? Yes I do. I honestly believe he wanted this war as a gotcha to Saddam and he was gonna have it no matter what. But much like dis this is just an opinion right?


Like Forrest Gump...." that's all I know 'bout that"
 

kolanuraven

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But....now answer me this....what IS the def. of a WMD? What qualifies...what are the parameters??? Aging chemicals, new chemicals, certain calibers...what??? Do you know????


Yeah...it's my opinion he lied. I got one like everyone else! :lol: :lol:
 

BBJ

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A WMD is exactly that. A weapon of mass destruction. A shotgun loaded with a scatter load probably doesn't fit into that category :? but thats just my opinion. (has nothing to do with my "cojones" as you put it)

Obviously there hasn't been a publically announced definition for the term because I feel certain that if there were you for one would know it.

straight from dictionary.com

weapon of mass destruction

n : a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel (nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)


Looks like I was right. (and wrong I thought you would have known the definition by now :oops: ) :wink:
 

Disagreeable

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What's the point? Just because a poll shows Americans believed it doesn't make it true. I think today most Americans don't care if Saddam had WMDs or not, they just want our troops out of there. They're not saying "bring them home now," but I think that will come and I've been right about more things in this war than the Bush Bunch.
 

BBJ

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Disagreeable said:
Just because a poll shows Americans believed it doesn't make it true.



:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

You wonder what the point is but when we are talking about a poll concerning the job approval numbers of YOUR PRESIDENT, you believe those poll numbers to be the gospel. I think you stuck your foot in your mouth once again. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:clap: Way to go dis once again my point has been proven about you. :clap:

:dunce:
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
Disagreeable said:
Just because a poll shows Americans believed it doesn't make it true.



:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

You wonder what the point is but when we are talking about a poll concerning the job approval numbers of YOUR PRESIDENT, you believe those poll numbers to be the gospel. I think you stuck your foot in your mouth once again. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:clap: Way to go dis once again my point has been proven about you. :clap:

:dunce:

No, whether people believe Saddam had WMDs has nothing to do with whether or not he had WMDs.

Poll numbers showing Bush's approval in the toilet, has to do with how people see him....incompetent. One of the very funniest thing happening on this board is to see the Bush Groupies saying that polls are biased after they didn't make a peep when his approval was 55 or so. :lol:

So laugh away. I'm very much enjoying the moment. Watch for my post from the Cook Politicial Report. It's a long time until the election, but this looks promising to me. :D
 

memanpa

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oh my GOD
you really beleive this crap DIS?
how ignorant are you anyway?
never mind the real people know the answer to that question

hey DIS got a major lead on you and your isp keep posting please!
as of right now there are 14 people using your general area isp

just need a few more posts while i am on line t o have ya!

wanna bet my bots agaisnt yours ???
post please DIS pretty please:)
 

RoperAB

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Look at it this way. I have a pretty good idea how much weapons an individual in North America can get his hands on. I also know how inefective border searches are except when they get really lucky or are tipped off and already know where to look.
Just think what a leader of country with billions of dollars can aquire and hide.
IF Saddam didnt have WMD it was only a matter of time until he did. In all probability most of his toys are either still buried in Iraq or are into Syria.
 

BBJ

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More spin from our little buddy dis. :shock: but I'm sure at this point no one is surprised. :lol:


dis wrote: "No, whether people believe Saddam had WMDs has nothing to do with whether or not he had WMDs." (So does that apply to your belief that he didn't have WMD's?)

Talk about hiding your head in the sand.... :? maybe you should go back and actually read this post....(ignore the talk about polls)...oh and while your at it, reading up on REAL facts, try reading UN resolution 1441. The Bush backers aren't the only ones in this world that believed he had them, but I guess you know more than the rest of us right? Heres a cut and paste for you, from this thread that PROVES SADDAM HAD WMD! I also posted in this thread the definition of a WMD :twisted: for those of you that refuse to believe saddam had them.

Heres all the proof YOU need "Respondents were questioned in early July after the release of a Defense Department intelligence report that revealed coalition forces recovered 500 aging chemical weapons containing mustard or sarin gas nerve agents in Iraq."

He had WMD's right there, end of discussion. 1441 didn't say he could keep 1 or 50 or just the old ones :wink: he was to get rid of ALL WMD's and he obviously didn't. ONCE AGAIN YOUR WRONG DIS! :cry:

Waiting on your spin to this proof patiently........... :p
 
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