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Juan

Well-known member
He who laughs last, laughs best.
>> >Investors Business Daily, 2/24/06
> >
> Now that Leno and Letterman have had their way with Vice President
> >Cheney's hunting accident and the port controversy, maybe we can get
>back
>to
> >something really important - like Saddam's WMD program.
> >
> >Yes, the linchpin of opposition to the Iraq War - never really strong
>to
>begin with - has taken some real hits in recent weeks. And "Bush lied" -the
>anti-war mantra about the president, Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass
> >destruction - looks the most battered.
> >
> >Inconveniently for critics of the war, Saddam made tapes in his version
>of the Oval Office. These tapes landed in the hands of American
>intelligence
>and were recently aired publicly.
> >
> >The first 12 hours of the tapes - there are hundreds more waiting to be
>translated - are damning, to say the least. They show conclusively that
>Bush
>didn't lie when he cited Saddam's WMD plans as one of the big reasons for
>taking the dictator out.
> >
> >Nobody disputes the tapes' authenticity. On them, Saddam talks openly
>of
>programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons.
> >
> >War foes have long asserted that Saddam halted his WMD programs in the
>wake of his defeat in the first Gulf War in 1991. Saddam's abandonment of
>WMD programs was confirmed by subsequent U.N. inspections.
> >
> >Again, not true. In a tape dating to April 1995, Saddam and several
>aides
>discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had found traces of Iraq's biological
>weapons program. On the tape, Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law, is heard
>gloating about fooling the inspectors.
> >
> >"We did not reveal all that we have," he says. "Not the type of
>weapons,
>not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the
>production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was
>correct."
> >
> >There's more. Indeed, as late as 2000, Saddam can be heard in his
>office
>talking with Iraqi scientists about his ongoing plans to build a nuclear
>device. At one point, he discusses Iraq's plasma uranium program -
>something
>that was missed entirely by U.N. weapons inspectors combing Iraq for WMD.
> >
> >This is particularly troubling, since it indicates an active, ongoing
>attempt by Saddam to build an Iraqi nuclear bomb.
> >
> >"What was most disturbing," said John Tierney, the ex- FBI agent who
>translated the tapes, "was the fact that the individuals briefing Saddam
>were totally unknown to the U.N. Special Commission (or UNSCOM, the group
>set up to look into Iraq's WMD programs)."
> >
> >Perhaps most chillingly, the tapes record Iraq Foreign Minister Tariq
>Aziz talking about how easy it would be to set off a WMD in Washington. The
>comments come shortly after Saddam muses about using "proxies" in a terror
>attack.
> >
> >9-11, anyone?
> >
> >In short, let us repeat: President Bush was right. We had to invade to
>disarm Saddam - otherwise, he would have completely reconstituted his
>chemical, nuclear and bio-weapons programs when inspectors left.
> >
> >Saddam probably knew better than to use them himself against the U.S.
>But
>it's likely he wouldn't have hesitated giving one or more to terror groups
>with which he had routine contact.
> >
> >Lest you think we're making the case entirely based on these tapes, let
>us assure you that other evidence - mounting by the day - points to the
>same
>conclusion.
> >
> >We've been very impressed by the story told by Georges Sada, the former
>No.2 in Iraq's air force. He has written a book, "Saddam's Secrets," that
>details how the Iraqi dictator used trucks, commercial jets and ships to
>remove his WMD from the country. At the time, the move went largely
>undetected, because Iraq pretended the massive movement of materiel was to
>help Syrian flood victims.
> >
> >Nor is Sada alone. Ali Ibrahim, another of Saddam's former commanders,
>has largely corroborated Sada's story.
> >
> >So how was Saddam able to use his "cheat and retreat" tactics without
>being found out? He had help, according to a former U.S. Defense Department
>official.
> >
> >"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from
>the
>Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," said John Shaw,
>former deputy undersecretary of defense, in comments made at an
>intelligence
>summit Feb. 17-20 in Arlington, Va.
> >
> >"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special ops) units out of uniform
>that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any
>evidence of its existence," he said.
> >
> >These are extraordinary developments. They deserve a full airing in the
>media, since they essentially validate part of Bush's casus belli for
>invading Iraq and deposing the murderous Saddam.
> >
> >But once again, the mainstream media have dropped the ball. They seem
>more interested in Dick Cheney's marksmanship and American port management
>than in setting the record straight about one of the most important
>developments of our time.
>
>
>
 

Jinglebob

Well-known member
I hadn't seen this before. Thanks for posting it Juan.

Can't wait to see what Dis has to say about it. On second thot', yes, I can wait! :wink:
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Yes, it or something similar has been posted. I'll say the same thing I've been saying ever since I came on this board:

If Saddam had WMDs he'd have used them against the US when we invaded his country.

If the Bush Administration had anything like proof Bush's excuse for this war was accurate, they'd call every newspaper in the US and give them the proof.

That neither of these things has happened is proof that you're blowing hot air.

Both of Bush's weapons inspectors said there were no WMDs.
 

BBJ

Well-known member
Disagreeable said:
Yes, it or something similar has been posted. I'll say the same thing I've been saying ever since I came on this board:

If Saddam had WMDs he'd have used them against the US when we invaded his country.

If the Bush Administration had anything like proof Bush's excuse for this war was accurate, they'd call every newspaper in the US and give them the proof.

That neither of these things has happened is proof that you're blowing hot air.

Both of Bush's weapons inspectors said there were no WMDs.
.

Since you missed it on the other thread I'll put it here for you to answer.

What about what these people said?


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

Or are you spinning? :wink: :p :wink:
 

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