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burnt

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How many of you have heard or read in the mainstream media news of the release of the hacked emails and documents that seem to indicate a scam in the global warming camp?

The hoaxists have done their level best to not cover it in Canada, with the National Post being the only one to give it any amount of coverage, along with The Sun.

Finally, the Toronto Star wrote a pathetic little piece denouncing the "Deniers" plot on Thursday and the CBC had a tiny blurb doing the same on Friday. There is a determined effort to cover it up and discredit it by the misguided MSM.

And they have their reasons . . .
 

per

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Some good editorials in the Herald and was talked about on Rutherford. Other than that hush hush with the rest of them.
 

hillsdown

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You don't hear or read anything anymore. It hit big for 15 minutes and then was shoved under the carpet. I guess we know who's getting paid..
 

burnt

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Well the National Post is running it every day although not necessarily as news releases. There has been an incredible amount of backlash by commenters after the articles, mostly negative.

If most would get their way, the CBC would be shut down before morning. I would dearly love to see it go - even listening to the news is more than I can stomach.

It will be interesting to see how the MSM will spin the latest out of Copenhagen with Brazil, South Africa, India and China banding together in order to hold the "developed", rich nations hostage with a bunch of "nonnegotiable" demands.

Herein lies the problem - this whole emotionally fueled AGW debate has turned into something far more sinister than anyone would ever have believed possible. It has become a weapon in the hands of not only the misguided left-wing hoaxists, but now in the grip of a mega nation (China) that has way more clout than we want to know.

And our blithering-idiot Marxist media has failed us in that they not not reported on a scam that has led directly into a trap that the less-developed nations saw coming all along. We have been misled and sold out by a bunch of giddy hippies who call themselves journalists.

You won't soon be taking the candy away from the Asian baby . . .

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../5279771.cms

For Broke Cowboy:

Copenhagen conference: India, China plan joint exit
Saibal Dasgupta, TNN 28 November 2009, 06:58pm IST

BEIJING: In an unprecedented move, India on Saturday joined China and two other developing countries to prepare for a major offensive on rich nations at the Copenhagen conference on climate change next month.

The four countries, which include Brazil and South Africa, agreed to a strategy that involves jointly walking out of the conference if the developed nations try to force their own terms on the developing world, Jairam Ramesh, the Indian minister for environment and forests (independent charge), said.

“We will not exit in isolation. We will co-ordinate our exit if any of our non-negotiable terms is violated. Our entry and exit will be collective,” Ramesh told reporters in Beijing.

The move comes after reports suggested that rich nations led by Denmark are trying to set the agenda of the conference by presenting a draft containing a set of specific proposals.

The BASIC countries-Brazil, South Africa, India and China- decided to throw the gauntlet at rich nations by coming up with a counter-draft that will be presented at the conference. They agreed to let China, which initiated the exercise, to present the draft of the developing nations at Copenhagen.

“This BASIC draft fully meets India’s goals and aspirations. We hope it is made the basis of discussions at the conference,” Ramesh said.

The draft, which was originally prepared by China, was finalized after some changes during a 7-hour long meeting of BASIC countries-Brazil, South Africa, India and China besides Sudan as the chair of G-77.

This joint front forged on Saturday is a major political initiative -- the first major India-China accord on international affairs--that is likely to impact not just the dimension of the talks on climate change but international diplomacy as a whole. The move comes after recent discussions on climate change held with Indian and Chinese leaders by US president Barack Obama, who appears to have made little impact on them.

Denmark is expected to unveil its draft to a group of select countries that includes the United States, several European nations, India and China on December 1. It will be later presented at the conference. Around the same time, the BASIC nations plan to circulate their own counter-draft in order to influence the course of negotiations.

The four nations issued a joint press release, which made it clear the developed nations should be ready to contribute funds and share green technology if they expected the developing and poor nations to take major actions on environmental protection.

The four countries and the chair of G-77 said they were keen to make a “contribution towards a consensus in Copenhagen”.

The release said: “We are in agreement on major issues including those relating to the establishment of a second commitment period under the Kyoto Protocol, as well as shared vision for long term cooperative action on climate change, mitigation of greenhouse gas emissions, adaptation to the impact of climate change, and the provision of finance and technology to support and enable these actions, taking into account the special needs of the least developed countries, the small island developing states and African countries.”

The United States, which refused to endorse the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, might find it difficult to handle the new onslaught mounted by four developing nations including India and China. They are demanding an extension of the Kyoto Protocol.

In fact, there are serious questions on whether US president Barack Obama will keep his promise of attending the Copenhagen conference on climate change next month to avoid pressures to accept a “second commitment period under the Kyoto Protocol”. Obama recently met both Chinese leaders and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in order to soften the stance of developing nations and avoid exactly the kind of situation that is now emerging.

Besides the elements of the Kyoto Protocol, there are “significant new features” in the draft proposal worked out by BASIC countries-Brazil, South Africa, India and China-at a meeting here on Saturday, Jairam Ramesh, minister of state for environment and forest said.

These countries have decided not to allow rich nations to make climate change an excuse to set up trade barriers or resort to trade protectionism. Rich countries should be ready to contribute funds for stopping the process of forest degradation including the one in Amazon valley in Brazil and also invest in the process of creating new forests.

The developing nations will also not accept any pressure from developed countries to establish legally binding emission targets at Copenhagen. Developing countries want to be allowed to reduce emissions voluntarily and take what they consider to be “nationally appropriate actions” he said.

Ramesh said India will under no circumstances accept the concept of a peaking year under which each country will have to indicate on what date they will reach the highest level of pollution before beginning to come down.

India will also not accept any unsupported mitigation actions without any effort by developed countries to provide funds and technology support to improve environment in developing nations.

New Delhi has also set its face against any international measurement, reporting and verification of the work done in India for environment protection.

The Indian minister said that China, Brazil and South Africa were also in agreement on these issues.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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I heard tonight that the Commonwealth countries are going to develop a fund to the tune of 10 BILLION a year to help smaller Island nations cope with rising sea levels. :roll:

The web site Small dead animals is really covering the climate change news. Interesting reading.
 

Broke Cowboy

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Big Muddy rancher said:
I heard tonight that the Commonwealth countries are going to develop a fund to the tune of 10 BILLION a year to help smaller Island nations cope with rising sea levels. :roll:

The web site Small dead animals is really covering the climate change news. Interesting reading.

They will all be dust in the ground before the seas rise to cover the islands.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water - as it melts it dies NOT make the water rise

BC
 

hillsdown

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Broke Cowboy said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I heard tonight that the Commonwealth countries are going to develop a fund to the tune of 10 BILLION a year to help smaller Island nations cope with rising sea levels. :roll:

The web site Small dead animals is really covering the climate change news. Interesting reading.

They will all be dust in the ground before the seas rise to cover the islands.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water - as it melts it dies NOT make the water rise

BC

No, but it sure dilutes the whiskey.. :lol:
 

Broke Cowboy

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hillsdown said:
Broke Cowboy said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I heard tonight that the Commonwealth countries are going to develop a fund to the tune of 10 BILLION a year to help smaller Island nations cope with rising sea levels. :roll:

The web site Small dead animals is really covering the climate change news. Interesting reading.

They will all be dust in the ground before the seas rise to cover the islands.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water - as it melts it dies NOT make the water rise

BC

No, but it sure dilutes the whiskey.. :lol:

Wisers Deluxe and/or Alberta Springs - prefer it straight up with no water or ice - room temp is fine.

Ice and water is alcohol abuse with these two.

Someday I am coming home to Canada and will sit down to a crystal glass with about two fingers worth while watching the cows out the front window

BC

BC
 

gcreekrch

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Broke Cowboy said:
hillsdown said:
Broke Cowboy said:
They will all be dust in the ground before the seas rise to cover the islands.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water - as it melts it dies NOT make the water rise

BC

No, but it sure dilutes the whiskey.. :lol:

Wisers Deluxe and/or Alberta Springs - prefer it straight up with no water or ice - room temp is fine.

Ice and water is alcohol abuse with these two.

Someday I am coming home to Canada and will sit down to a crystal glass with about two fingers worth while watching the cows out the front window

BC

BC


If you were to "misappropriate" one of those fancy helicopters you could share the ones we buy you for your service until they caught up with you. :wink:
 

hillsdown

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Broke Cowboy said:
hillsdown said:
Broke Cowboy said:
They will all be dust in the ground before the seas rise to cover the islands.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water - as it melts it dies NOT make the water rise

BC

No, but it sure dilutes the whiskey.. :lol:

Wisers Deluxe and/or Alberta Springs - prefer it straight up with no water or ice - room temp is fine.

Ice and water is alcohol abuse with these two.

Someday I am coming home to Canada and will sit down to a crystal glass with about two fingers worth while watching the cows out the front window

BC

BC

Hubby keeps his whiskey in the freezer but still adds ice, I like two fingers of Drambuie on the rocks once and a while especially after being out for hours in -40 weather.

When you finally are back home and your adventures take you to my neck of the woods again, stop in and you will get your favorite whiskey in a crystal glass, neat, and we can visit and look out at the scenery. :)
 

burnt

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Broke Cowboy said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I heard tonight that the Commonwealth countries are going to develop a fund to the tune of 10 BILLION a year to help smaller Island nations cope with rising sea levels. :roll:

The web site Small dead animals is really covering the climate change news. Interesting reading.

They will all be dust in the ground before the seas rise to cover the islands.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water - as it melts it dies NOT make the water rise

BC

Egg on your face with this one, B.C. The warmists are talking about the water level rising from the icecaps that are sitting on land, not icebergs that are already in the oceans.
 

hypocritexposer

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Anybody ever wonder why the same group of people would want to have control over the Internet?

I'm wondering how all the teachers feel about indocrinating the children with all this bogus science?
 

burnt

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hypocritexposer said:
Anybody ever wonder why the same group of people would want to have control over the Internet?

I'm wondering how all the teachers feel about indocrinating the children with all this bogus science?

This is what has been a burr under the blanket for me for a long time. It is the same mentality that has made a generation of vegetarians and tree huggers.

What has been taught in school has taken an insidious step from science to politics.
 

TexasBred

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Broke Cowboy said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I heard tonight that the Commonwealth countries are going to develop a fund to the tune of 10 BILLION a year to help smaller Island nations cope with rising sea levels. :roll:

The web site Small dead animals is really covering the climate change news. Interesting reading.

They will all be dust in the ground before the seas rise to cover the islands.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water - as it melts it dies NOT make the water rise

BC

This does not compute.
 

TSR

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burnt said:
hypocritexposer said:
Anybody ever wonder why the same group of people would want to have control over the Internet?

I'm wondering how all the teachers feel about indocrinating the children with all this bogus science?

This is what has been a burr under the blanket for me for a long time. It is the same mentality that has made a generation of vegetarians and tree huggers.

What has been taught in school has taken an insidious step from science to politics.

I seriously doubt many teachers would spend much time on such a subject without mentioning the myriad of controversy that surrounds it.
 

burnt

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TSR said:
burnt said:
hypocritexposer said:
Anybody ever wonder why the same group of people would want to have control over the Internet?

I'm wondering how all the teachers feel about indocrinating the children with all this bogus science?

This is what has been a burr under the blanket for me for a long time. It is the same mentality that has made a generation of vegetarians and tree huggers.

What has been taught in school has taken an insidious step from science to politics.

I seriously doubt many teachers would spend much time on such a subject without mentioning the myriad of controversy that surrounds it.

Which is going to have the greatest impact - a teacher's suggestion of controversy or the viewing of lyin' algore's flaming depiction of the evil we humans are wreaking upon the world?
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
burnt said:
hypocritexposer said:
Anybody ever wonder why the same group of people would want to have control over the Internet?

I'm wondering how all the teachers feel about indocrinating the children with all this bogus science?

This is what has been a burr under the blanket for me for a long time. It is the same mentality that has made a generation of vegetarians and tree huggers.

What has been taught in school has taken an insidious step from science to politics.

I seriously doubt many teachers would spend much time on such a subject without mentioning the myriad of controversy that surrounds it.

Then you have not been following what is being taught in schools

start with this cartoon

http://www.climatechangeeducation.org/videos/youtube/hippoworks-santer.html
 

burnt

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hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
burnt said:
This is what has been a burr under the blanket for me for a long time. It is the same mentality that has made a generation of vegetarians and tree huggers.

What has been taught in school has taken an insidious step from science to politics.

I seriously doubt many teachers would spend much time on such a subject without mentioning the myriad of controversy that surrounds it.

Then you have not been following what is being taught in schools

start with this cartoon

http://www.climatechangeeducation.org/videos/youtube/hippoworks-santer.html

No brainwashing there, eh? Good thing little kids are not impressionable, eh?

There are some educators that deserve to . . . .
 

Steve

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TSR said:
burnt said:
hypocritexposer said:
Anybody ever wonder why the same group of people would want to have control over the Internet?

I'm wondering how all the teachers feel about indocrinating the children with all this bogus science?

This is what has been a burr under the blanket for me for a long time. It is the same mentality that has made a generation of vegetarians and tree huggers.

What has been taught in school has taken an insidious step from science to politics.

I seriously doubt many teachers would spend much time on such a subject without mentioning the myriad of controversy that surrounds it.

I guess it's been awhile since you did a school project with a child or seen some of the homework that teachers hand out.

gt1.jpg

People are entitled to their opinions, but one would hope that when disseminating information to grade schoolers, that information would be factually correct, not politically correct.

even I grew up with the Weekly Reader.,.. indoctrinating little kids for generations..
 

hypocritexposer

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Climate-cult con is hard to 'bear'

By ANDREA PEYSER

Last Updated: 6:00 AM, November 30, 2009

Posted: 3:16 AM, November 30, 2009

When did global warming turn into a forced religion?

My daughter came home from school recently with a spring in her step and a song on her lips. With no foreshadowing -- or time to call an exorcist -- out came this chilling refrain:

" . . . You can hear the warning -- GLOBAL WARMING . . . "

By the time her father and I removed our jaws from the floor, we had learned that:

A) All the kids had been coerced into singing this catchy ditty, which we called "The Warming Song," at a concert for parents.

B) Further song lyrics scolded selfish adults (that would be us) for polluting our planet and causing a warming scourge that would, in no short order, kill all the polar bears and threaten the birds and bees.

C) There was no deprogramming session on the menu. And no arguing allowed.


The international "Climategate" scandal is now moving into its third week. And reaction from folks on the scientific and political left -- or is that redundant? -- who treat global warming as a cult in which naysayers must be crushed has been depressing:

Total denial.

The scandal began when someone hacked into the server at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, England, and uncovered a cache of messages between leading warming gurus. These e-mails revealed guys deeply frustrated by planetary temperatures that, stubbornly, had refused to rise in some time. Were they afraid of losing their scientific juice? Or their funding?

So, as the e-mails prove, the scientists did something about it. They cooked the books to exaggerate global warming.

Of course! How can you scare the bejeezus out of little kids and small animals if you can't make the mercury move a millimeter? Simple. You lie.

But while one rival scientist predicted the shocking revelations would blast a "mushroom cloud" over theories of climate change, that has not come to pass.

The Obama administration's "climate adviser," Carol Browner, totally ignored the smoking e-mails, and attributed the scandal to "a very small group of people who continue to say this isn't a real problem, that we don't need to do anything."

"What am I going to do?" asked Browner. "Side with the couple of naysayers out there, or the 2,500 scientists?" -- who've drunk the Kool-Aid. "I'm sticking with the 2,500 scientists."

No less an authority than The New York Times sought to explain away the most damning e-mail, sent by scientist Phil Jones, who said he employed a "trick" to make temps appear higher than they were.

The paper quoted Dr. Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University as saying he often used the word "trick" to refer to a good way to solve a problem. "And not something secret."

Is anyone home?

Our children are on the front lines of the warming hysteria, a place where "experts" from Al Gore to the president leave no room for dissent or even the slightest skepticism, despite claims that are no more provable than the Earth is flat.

Children were the targets of a book co-written by the producer of Al Gore's star-making vehicle, "An Inconvenient Truth" -- a fantastical view of global warming that should have been called a fiction, not a documentary.

Producer Laurie David told Publisher's Weekly that she wrote the kids' book, "Down-to-Earth Guide to Global Warming," because "kids also are the Number 1 influence on their parents, so if you want to reach the parents, go to the kids." She knows of which she speaks.

It may come to pass that global warming is real. Or not.

But your children won't get the truth from Al Gore, the president or the scientific community. Or sadly, from school.

Neither will you.

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/national/net_result_sure_beats_nut_revolt_qafIP4m2M9TAty2eLxyz5M


“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.,” they wrote in a report entitled “The First Global Revolution”.

“Our children are on the front lines of the warming hysteria, a place where “experts” from Al Gore to the president leave no room for dissent or even the slightest skepticism, despite claims that are no more provable than the Earth is flat.,” says Peyser.

A newly uncovered document sheds some light on the genesis of how such brainwashing found its way into our schools.

A strategy paper for the United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP), the world’s would-be environmental watchdog, reveals how the global elite in charge of the green takeover resolved that, “Environmentalism should be regarded on the same level with religion “as the only compelling, value-based narrative available to humanity,” according to a Fox News report.

strategy paper
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/113009_IISDreport.pdf


Document Reveals U.N.'s Goal of Becoming Rule-Maker in Global Environmental Talks
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577827,00.html
 
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