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Hawaii Birth Certificate "NEVER" Been Released

Mike

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Now it's pretty apparent why Barack Obama made his sudden, last minute visit to Honolulu. It wasn't Granny's health problems that interested him but Hawaii's Health Department.

The strategy may have backfired. A statement by Hawaiian officials Friday that they have seen but won't release an "original" birth certificate that has never been released raises more questions than it answers. It undercuts the indignant claims of Obama spokesmen and supporters that the "birth certificate" has been published for months, and the ridicule and claims of "smear" that the Obama camp has made against anyone claiming otherwise.

Image: the "certification of live birth" claimed by Obama campaign as his "birth certificate"

According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

But they won't say one word about what's on it.

Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the "original" certificate conforms to what has appeared on the "Certification of Live Birth" produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama "Fight the Smears" site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.

Can anyone smell "red herring"?

All of the obfuscation, which has been going on for more than four months, begs the question that the Obama campaign and its media supporters have steadfastly refused to answer: why won't the original birth certificate be released?

Why can't the Obama campaign do as the McCain campaign did, and release the original, typewritten document that the State of Hawaii, finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its "vaults"? What could be so damaging or contradictory that Obama has felt the need to keep hidden all these years and has created elaborate cover-ups to put forward computer-abstracted certification of live certificate instead of the original birth certificate?

Fukino says that no state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's birth certificate be handled differently. But state officials, including Lingle's office, have consistently refused media requests for the release of the document, saying that only Obama himself, or a close family number, was authorized to have access to the "original" certificate. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Apparently that does not include the American People.

And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate. Unless the document has been "lost," he could publish the original without visiting grandma in Honolulu.

Trumpeting victory in Hawaii's admission that a suppressed "original" birth certificate exists is Chicago-based journalist Andy Martin, a long time nemesis of Obama, whose trip to Hawaii preceded the candidate's. (Obama arrived just as Martin left). Martin takes credit for forcing the State's hand in a press release:

Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" on the Internet. Factcheck.org has falsely claimed to have seen this document and posted it on the Internet; that is not true. CNN has falsely ridiculed Martin. Hawai'i officials have now refuted Obama's false assertion.

Martin's victory in Honolulu will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign. Internet chatter is expected to explode as the issue moves to the front page over Saturday and Sunday. Swing voters may be swayed by the exposure that Obama has brazenly been lying to the American people. "We just lobbed a grenade into the final weekend of the presidential campaign," says Andy.

"I am ecstatic. I called Obama a liar. I called Factcheck.org 'ObamaLies.org.' I said CNN was sloppy and lazy and wrong. And I was right. The State of Hawai'i has now backed me up. Whew. I knew I was right, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have started to get the machinery moving in state government. The original document is now obviously protected and safe from any tampering by Obama.

"My lawsuit started a firestorm in Hawai'i. The circuit judge has set a hearing for November 18th (a report in the Honolulu Advertiser for November 1st for an earlier hearing date of November 7th is inaccurate; that date was cancelled).

"CNN also has egg on its face, because, once again, Hawai'i backs my contention that the original document has never surfaced in public. CNN tried to demean me by contradicting my accurate claim.

"Now Obama, Factcheck.org and CNN have been exposed as liars. I said there was a 'secret,' original, typewritten birth certificate that had never been disclosed, and that document was the original COLB, not the phony 'original' that CNN placed before its viewers.Martin, who has advanced the theory that the candidate has suppressed the original certificate because it would show that his father is not in fact Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., claims that Frank Marshall Davis -- a high profile Communist and journalist that Obama II referred to in his memoirs only as "Frank" -- is in fact Obama's father.

Martin has a court date in Hawaii on his demand to release the original birth certificate in the public interest scheduled for November 18, 2008. He has scheduled a press conference for today (Saturday, November 1).
 

Mike

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ANNOUNCEMENT OF SATURDAY NEWS CONFERENCE IN CHICAGO

Internet powerhouse Andy Martin wins a major victory in Hawai'i
as state officials examine and confirm the existence of Barack Obama's secret birth certificate

CNN and Factcheck.org are embarrassed; Martin demands retractions and apologies for their misleading reports

Andy vows to keep up the battle whatever happens on November 4th; a court hearing is scheduled in Honolulu for November 18th and Andy says, "I'll be there."

Martin's birth certificate litigation victory will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign; the Internet Powerhouse is set to hold a Saturday news conference in Chicago and disclose new attacks on Obama

Martin issues challenge to Barack Obama: Stop lying to the American people and immediately authorize the release of your original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate

Internet warrior Martin returns home to Chicago on Saturday after one month of "combat patrols" fighting the "Obama Gang"

"Barack Obama has been lying to the American people," Andy says

Fox News faces lawsuit for sliming its source


(HONOLULU)(November 1, 2008) Internet powerhouse Andy Martin has ignited a firestorm in Hawai'i over Barack Obama's bogus "original" birth certificate. Martin won a stunning victory Friday afternoon (October 31st) when the State of Hawai'i backed his assertion that there was an original, "typewritten, 1961" birth certificate, called a "Certificate of Live Birth" or "COLB" in Hawai'i, that no one has previously seen. Hawai'i officials retrieved and examined the document after Martin filed a lawsuit seeking access to the historic 1961 original.

Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" on the Internet. Factcheck.org has falsely claimed to have seen this document and posted it on the Internet; that is not true. CNN has falsely ridiculed Martin.

Hawai'i officials have now refuted Obama's false assertion.

Martin's victory in Honolulu will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign. Internet chatter is expected to explode as the issue moves to the front page over Saturday and Sunday. Swing voters may be swayed by the exposure that Obama has brazenly been lying to the American people. "We just lobbed a grenade into the final weekend of the presidential campaign," says Andy.

"I am ecstatic. I called Obama a liar. I called Factcheck.org 'ObamaLies.org.' I said CNN was sloppy and lazy and wrong. And I was right. The State of Hawai'i has now backed me up. Whew. I knew I was right, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have started to get the machinery moving in state government. The original document is now obviously protected and safe from any tampering by Obama.

"My lawsuit started a firestorm in Hawai'i. The circuit judge has set a hearing for November 18th (a report in the Honolulu Advertiser for November 1st for an earlier hearing date of November 7th is inaccurate; that date was cancelled).

"CNN also has egg on its face, because, once again, Hawai'i backs my contention that the original document has never surfaced in public. CNN tried to demean me by contradicting my accurate claim.

"Now Obama, Factcheck.org and CNN have been exposed as liars. I said there was a 'secret,' original, typewritten birth certificate that had never been disclosed, and that document was the original COLB, not the phony 'original' that CNN placed before its viewers.

"Why would Hawai'i officials review the vault document at the Eleventh Hour if my lawsuit wasn't causing a furor in Hawai'i state government? Why? The Friday before the election?

"Mine is the only logical, rational, properly prepared lawsuit that has been filed to open Obama's secret records. I sued in the proper state in the proper court against the proper officials for the proper remedy. And they are responding properly. The judge has properly, although not as quickly as I would have preferred, set a hearing to consider my claims. I have not filed outrageous or exaggerated pleadings.

"I merely sought access to a document based on its scholarly and news value and because I had been tipped by my sources inside state government that Obama was lying. My network of informants within state government helps me and guides me. Others filed lawsuits outside Hawai'i that have either been dismissed or discredited. My 'little engine that could' is chugging along.

"I have an outstanding record of high-profile public interest litigation, as recognized by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court five years ago when they allowed me to represent a U. S. Marine in a landmark lawsuit." See www.AndyMartin.com and www.FirstRespondersOnline.us

In a Honolulu news conference on October 22nd Martin disclosed that Frank Marshall Davis was the biological father of Barack Obama, not Barack Obama senior. The Obama campaign has not denied Martin's claim.

"Over the past month I have been on combat patrol from coast to coast for the truth and for the United States Constitution," says Andy. "I have not the slightest link to John McCain. I am connected to the Constitution and nothing else. I have waged relentless war against Barack Obama's lies. And on the eve of the final weekend in the presidential campaign Hawai'i government has backed me by confirming that officials have examined the original, typewritten 1961 document, and confirmed that the document released by the Obama campaign was a facsimile, not the original.

"I have won a major victory: I proved Obama was lying about what he had posed on the Internet and falsely portrayed as 'the original.' 'Barry, we caught you with your pants down. We caught you lying, again.

"Saturday it will be my pleasure to return home to Chicago after one of the most successful independent political battle operations in media history, to wage the final weekend of war for the truth and Constitution and against the Daley Machine and Obama Gang. I have successfully been exposing and fighting Daley Family corruption for over forty years. Barry Obama is part of the second generation Daley Machine. He is a member in good standing of this criminal operation.

"The Machine doesn't like me. But I have a history of coming up with the truth, and a history of embarrassing powerful people. In retaliation, they try to smear me. The disclosure that Hawai'i officials have examined the true original COLB, and that Obama lied to the American people by falsely claiming he had posted the original 1961 document, is going to spread like wildfire between Saturday and Tuesday night.

"This election is bizarre because the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party, the Party's leader, is from the Daley Machine in Chicago. And the leader of the Internet Army opposing Obama and working to defeat him and the Daley Machine is also from Chicago. My Senator would be proud.

Martin is expected to announce Saturday that he is suing Fox News as well as the New York Times, for defamation of character. The lawsuit will be released Monday morning.

"For Fox News to treat me as they did is beneath contempt," says Martin. "I am respected around the world for accuracy, honesty and integrity. We know the New York Times is a corrupt media operation. But Fox News? Well, Ruppert Murdock may want to kow'tow to Barack Obama, but I will not kow'tow to Ruppert Murdock. The crass executives deserve to be sued for their malicious attacks on me. Someone ought to stand up for me: I helped expose Bill Ayers and Khalid Al-Mansour. A slimy 'vice president' that probably never worked a case or a story had the nerve to demean me. What a compete corporate moron.

"How dare these media imposters and blowhards smear me with lies, when I have worked tirelessly to expose the truth about Barack Obama-and succeeded," Martin will charge. "I'll be happy to face the Fox jerk, Vice President Bill Shine, in court and defend my good name against Obama's mud merchants, the New York Times and Ruppert Murdock. Ruppert Murdock's daughter is backing Obama, for Chrissake.

"I also plan Saturday to thank Dr. Chiyome Fukino for confirming my factual allegation that there was/is an original, typewritten 1961 'vault' COLB that has not been made public and that the true 'original' COLB is in official files. That confirmation makes Barack Obama a liar, on the last weekend of the campaign. Thank you, doctor.

"Now you know why Obama and Axelrod and Gibbs call me the 'Internet Powerhouse' that can't be stopped. Barack Obama will be bleeding through election night because of this massive lie exposed on the eve of their election. I work for the American people, not John McCain or the Republican Party. Friday, truth arrived in Honolulu, and in the remaining 100 hours that truth is going to be spread from coast-to-coast.

"Obama lied."

Martin lands in Chicago at noon, and will proceed to his office, for an afternoon news conference.
 

Yanuck

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Why don't they ask the aunt in Boston? oh thats right, she can't answer questions until the 5th :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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Yanuck said:
Why don't they ask the aunt in Boston? oh thats right, she can't answer questions until the 5th :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And the libs see nothing fishy about a gag order on the woman.... :roll:
 

CattleArmy

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Honestly do you all think someone would run for president if when their birth certificate became public knowledge it could be taken away?

I mean stuff like this is dug up and comes out.

Give the guy a tad bit of credit for a brain cell or two.
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
Honestly do you all think someone would run for president if when their birth certificate became public knowledge it could be taken away?

I mean stuff like this is dug up and comes out.

Give the guy a tad bit of credit for a brain cell or two.

Then why is he lying?
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

You didn't notice "Annenberg" at the bottom of factcheck's webpage? You haven't heard of other problems with factchecks's "facts" on Obama?

Again, if everything is on the up and up, why is Obama lying? Why is the DNC and Obama spending money in court fighting to keep the original under wraps instead of just providing it? (which they said they did,but have been proven to be lying about)

Why all the lies and suppression of documents? Does that look like the actions of an innocent or guilty man?
 

CattleArmy

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Sandhusker said:
CattleArmy said:
NO clue. I'm gonna believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

I think you're a heck of a lot smarter than what you're playing.

Sandhusker thank you. I honestly spent time searching on the internet at various locations for the facts and there are articles for both sides. I don't understand why Hawaii sealed them when it would seem so simple to just release it and take away the doubt. I would think that Obama would push for it to help clear it up.

I do think though the State of Nebraska just gives out copies don't they? I know I had to pay ten bucks to get a birth certificate from the state and their is no seal and the school took it.
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
Sandhusker said:
CattleArmy said:
NO clue. I'm gonna believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

I think you're a heck of a lot smarter than what you're playing.

Sandhusker thank you. I honestly spent time searching on the internet at various locations for the facts and there are articles for both sides. I don't understand why Hawaii sealed them when it would seem so simple to just release it and take away the doubt. I would think that Obama would push for it to help clear it up.

I do think though the State of Nebraska just gives out copies don't they? I know I had to pay ten bucks to get a birth certificate from the state and their is no seal and the school took it.

Hawaii can't provide personal information unless certain qualified people or a court asks for it. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is Obama doing everything he can to keep the original sealed, lying about what he has provided, and then claiming he provided proof to an organization that is funded by the same folks he has close ties to. He's squirming; WHY? It it looks like a snake, acts like a snake, and smells like a snake, it's an Obama.

The way I understand it, Nebraska will not give you the original birth cert that they have on file for obvious reasona, but they will give you a photocopy with the raised seal stamped on it to prove authenticity. I've got one of my birth.
 

Yanuck

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CattleArmy said:
Sandhusker said:
CattleArmy said:
NO clue. I'm gonna believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

I think you're a heck of a lot smarter than what you're playing.

Sandhusker thank you. I honestly spent time searching on the internet at various locations for the facts and there are articles for both sides. I don't understand why Hawaii sealed them when it would seem so simple to just release it and take away the doubt. I would think that Obama would push for it to help clear it up.

I do think though the State of Nebraska just gives out copies don't they? I know I had to pay ten bucks to get a birth certificate from the state and their is no seal and the school took it.

CA...Nebraska issues a certificate of live birth...they do have a raised stamp on them, but every state's form is different. When you looked at the BC on Factcheck, did you enlargen any of the pictures? if not do so then answer my question of you can tell without a hint of a doubt that those pictures convince you 100% its legit?
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
CattleArmy said:
Sandhusker said:
I think you're a heck of a lot smarter than what you're playing.

Sandhusker thank you. I honestly spent time searching on the internet at various locations for the facts and there are articles for both sides. I don't understand why Hawaii sealed them when it would seem so simple to just release it and take away the doubt. I would think that Obama would push for it to help clear it up.

I do think though the State of Nebraska just gives out copies don't they? I know I had to pay ten bucks to get a birth certificate from the state and their is no seal and the school took it.

Hawaii can't provide personal information unless certain qualified people or a court asks for it. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is Obama doing everything he can to keep the original sealed, lying about what he has provided, and then claiming he provided proof to an organization that is funded by the same folks he has close ties to. He's squirming; WHY? It it looks like a snake, acts like a snake, and smells like a snake, it's an Obama.

The way I understand it, Nebraska will not give you the original birth cert that they have on file for obvious reasona, but they will give you a photocopy with the raised seal stamped on it to prove authenticity. I've got one of my birth.

Sandhusker I went and dug the one out i had requested. There is a raised seal but there is noway a photocopy would show it (or at least i'm pretty sure it wouldn't). There isn't like a gold seal or anything.
 

Sandhusker

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That's probably why Obama chose a group like factcheck that is under the Annenberg umbrella to "verify" the document that he said was a copy of the original which we now know wasn't.
 
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