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HB 875

Faster horses

Well-known member
I listened to Glenn Beck today and he spoke about the Food Safety and Modernization Act--the government is going to tell farmers what to plant and perhaps keep them from planting as they consider "All food is
considered hazardous."

Doesn't set will with me, how about you?
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
It's on the table now.

Big difference between that and the 'the sky is falling.'
With this administration, we can't be too careful.
It was also discussed that Obama is throwing so many things out
there, that no one can keep track of everything. And that's just
the way he likes it.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Sounds like more witch-hunting to me.


Lots of bills get introduced, goofy ones and good ones, and that is about as far as 99% of them get.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Sounds like more witch-hunting to me.


Lots of bills get introduced, goofy ones and good ones, and that is about as far as 99% of them get.

The very fact that these types of bills are coming up, have to be disturbing, to those that value Freedom and Liberty, no?

These are the so-called intelligent people that are governing the Country?
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
kolanuraven said:
Sounds like more witch-hunting to me.


Lots of bills get introduced, goofy ones and good ones, and that is about as far as 99% of them get.

The very fact that these types of bills are coming up, have to be disturbing, to those that value Freedom and Liberty, no?

These are the so-called intelligent people that are governing the Country?


There are bills ' introduced' every day , from the useful to the crazy. Just the fact that they were ' introduced' means nothing.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
If they are "crazy" , it does not mean anything? Good to know, that the Government wastes time and money, trying to "pepper" the system with "crazy" bills!

What if they don't read them, and they DO pass?

It's been known to happen, reading wasn't of real importance when it came to AIG retention bonuses, if you remember.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
If they are "crazy" , it does not mean anything? Good to know, that the Government wastes time and money, trying to "pepper" the system with "crazy" bills!

What if they don't read them, and they DO pass?

It's been known to happen, reading wasn't of real importance when it came to AIG retention bonuses, if you remember.


Dummy...the Gov't does not create the bills....the members of Congress create the bill.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
I found this on the internet. Thought I would share it, kola.


Save Small Farms and Home Gardens: HB 875, Part II
Yesterday's post on the Food Safety Modernization Act sparked some great conversation...particularly about how a food safety bill could be a bad thing. To those of you who went and read the actual bill, kudos! For those of you who haven't yet and would like to, visit this link to Open Congress and leave your feedback in the text of the bill.

Let me try to sum up two major concerns that are not apparent just by reading the text of this bill. The first is the use of the word "tracking". This term positions this bill to be a cousin for the National Animal Identification System, which creates a tracking system for each and every animal (including hobby farms and pets) in the US. The purpose of which is to be able to track the life cycle of an animal, hoping to prevent the spread of illness or disease.

The USDA has proposed a rule to require all farms and ranches where animals are raised to be registered in a federal database under the National Animal Identification System (NAIS) for existing disease control programs. The draft rule covers programs for cattle, sheep, goats, and swine. It also sets the stage for the entire NAIS program to be mandated for everyone, including anyone who owns even one livestock animal, for example, a single chicken or a horse.
http://www.farmandranchfreedom.org/

And while this seems like a good idea in concept, the cost of this level of regulation will be astounding. It will force many small farmers to stop farming. The basic economics of the process create an affordable financial impact for large agribusiness (who will spend about $7 a head for cattle) but will cost small farmers about $64 a head. If you aren't a farmer, but just have a flock of chickens, you will also be responsible to meet these regulations and absorb this cost. Which will lead to fewer people with livestock.

Though the intended consequences of this bill may not be to support industrialized agriculture, that is exactly what it will do. This will create a food paradigm monopoly, generating increased dependence on big agribusiness and the directives of the government.

Now, imagine this same regulatory system being imposed on other types of food production. Suddenly, the fear for small farms and home vegetable growers seems more rational.

And, if you are organically certified. Please note, both the NAIS and HB 875 give the government extreme latitude in telling you what feed, fertilizer, medicines and pest control methods you can use. There is no mention of organics or how this bill would affect existing organic regulation.For more information, check out Sarah Gilbert's Post on Super Eco.

We are all concerned about food safety. But tracking programs like these will reward the businesses who are actually causing the problem. Seriously, when is the last time you heard that someone became ill after purchasing food from a farmer's market or eating from their own garden? In trying to regulate these huge entities, whose behavior is absolutely appalling, we are giving them the keys to the kingdom.

Before NAIS or HB 875 are passed or implemented, some serious discussion and edits need to be made...otherwise, we will end up punishing the group that is most likely to save us from groups like Monsanto.

I don't think I can find a better way to end this post than with this:

The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, opposes the bill and states:, "The burdensome requirements the bill imposes on small farms and the intrusive federal control it creates over small farm operations threaten the future viability of sustainable agriculture and the local food movement."

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Faster horses

Well-known member
And this talks specifically about what Kola said about not many new bills make it.

Save Small Farms and Home Gardens: HB 875
I am not one to overreact about early legislative efforts. New bills are always stuffed full of language that will never make it to the final version. But HB 875 is a different matter.

It is not just the drastic regulatory language that scares me. It is that it represents agribusinesses next step on the path to world food domination. And though that sounds like an over exaggeration, it is not.

Companies like Monsanto have already invaded our food and seed supply. They have successfully obtained patents for GMO seeds and have cornered the market on seed sales. They have sued farmers for harvesting and using seeds from their own corn because it was accidentally cross-pollinated with their varieties. And now they are trying to push through legislation, via Rep. Rosa DeLauro, whose husband works for Monsanto.

Please, don't let this bill get out of committee. There are other ways to protect our food supply. Let's not create a perfect storm by eliminating the few small farmers who are still growing non-gmo, genetically diverse crops.

For more information, check out this OpEdNews piece...a bit on the extreme side, but still has relevant information. Also check out OpenCongress, a cool site that lets you track bills, legislators, etc, leave comments and keep an eye on hot button topics.At the end is a link that will help you automatically send feedback to your elected officials and local newspapers. Here's what I wrote, feel free to copy and edit:

I am increasingly concerned about the potential effects of HB 875. This bill is clearly designed to benefit big agribusiness and to make it nearly impossible for smaller farms to comply. The sweeping language of this legislation could even impact people growing their own food in backyard gardens. This effort is clearly being pushed by small farm destroying companies like Monsanto.

Oregon will not benefit from this kind of outside regulation. Further, we do not need a completely new regulatory agency to deal with food safety issues. Please, read this bill and take action. Don't let agribusiness destroy family farms and urban homesteaders.

Sincerely,
Jean Ann Van Krevelen

Get involved and say no to Monsanto and others like them who care about absolutely nothing but making money.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Companies like Monsanto have already invaded our food and seed supply. They have successfully obtained patents for GMO seeds and have cornered the market on seed sales. They have sued farmers for harvesting and using seeds from their own corn because it was accidentally cross-pollinated with their varieties. And now they are trying to push through legislation, via Rep. Rosa DeLauro, whose husband works for Monsanto.

Seed prices ARE astronomical this year........................ :mad: :mad:
 

Tam

Well-known member
This was on TV today and the thing that scares me is they said it will even affect gardeners that use market gardens to sell their produce. The seller has to have the buyer sign a paper that states when they expect the produce will be eaten. Think of this if the produce is bought for canning how are you to estimate when the it will be eaten? This is paper work that the seller will have to keep so if the buyer becomes sick, the government can inspect the sellers records to see it the seller was responible. Which means the seller will have to keep records to anything that was done to the produce while growing it. Are any of you ready to keep these records, for the little bit you might make at a market garden sale? :roll:
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Mike said:
Companies like Monsanto have already invaded our food and seed supply. They have successfully obtained patents for GMO seeds and have cornered the market on seed sales. They have sued farmers for harvesting and using seeds from their own corn because it was accidentally cross-pollinated with their varieties. And now they are trying to push through legislation, via Rep. Rosa DeLauro, whose husband works for Monsanto.

Seed prices ARE astronomical this year........................ :mad: :mad:


It is true that seeds are sky high. I wonder if it's also part in due to the Victory Garden mentality taking over now and it is having and effect/affect on the big farmer and small time gardener across the board.
 

Ben H

Well-known member
The danger with this bill is the "magic trick", watch the magicians hand as he does something with the other. The focus is on food safety, they are using the e-coli and salmonella outbreaks as evidence of a need. Like anyhting passed in government, no matter how good the intentions are, there are always unintended consequences. I see this as deciding between liberty and security. If we accpept it, we are one step closer to Tyranny.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
hypocritexposer said:
kolanuraven said:
Sounds like more witch-hunting to me.


Lots of bills get introduced, goofy ones and good ones, and that is about as far as 99% of them get.

The very fact that these types of bills are coming up, have to be disturbing, to those that value Freedom and Liberty, no?

These are the so-called intelligent people that are governing the Country?


There are bills ' introduced' every day , from the useful to the crazy. Just the fact that they were ' introduced' means nothing.

Kola, I was thinking about your comments on these types of bills, and I was wondering if you feel, it might be better just ot ignore them, instead of being aware they are being tabled and speaking out against them?

Is Beck just being a "fear monger" again, or is it being responsible on his part to notify the voting public of these issues, so that they can become informed and weigh in on these issues? Is that not what being "involved" is supposed to be?

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=4032461&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/glennbeck/index.html
 

Mike

Well-known member
Just the fact that they were ' introduced' means nothing.

I'll beg to differ on this comment.

"Introduced" Bills by Legislators is a way to gauge their patriotism and political meaingfulness to me.

Now take the Bill that Zer0 introduced a while back that taxed the USA .7% to go towards the UN, to be added to our normal UN dues.

That right there told me enough to stay away from the idiot. :roll:
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
kolanuraven said:
hypocritexposer said:
The very fact that these types of bills are coming up, have to be disturbing, to those that value Freedom and Liberty, no?

These are the so-called intelligent people that are governing the Country?


There are bills ' introduced' every day , from the useful to the crazy. Just the fact that they were ' introduced' means nothing.

Kola, I was thinking about your comments on these types of bills, and I was wondering if you feel, it might be better just ot ignore them, instead of being aware they are being tabled and speaking out against them?

Is Beck just being a "fear monger" again, or is it being responsible on his part to notify the voting public of these issues, so that they can become informed and weigh in on these issues? Is that not what being "involved" is supposed to be?

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=4032461&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/glennbeck/index.html


You should ignore nothing but then on the other side, do not take everything you hear or are told or get in an email as gospel at first glance.


Glenn Beck is a fool!
 
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