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He was unarmed...

hypocritexposer

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Although police feared he was heavily armed, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing had no firearms when he came under a barrage of police gunfire that struck the boat where he was hiding, according to multiple federal law enforcement officials.

Authorities said they were desperate to capture Dzhokhar Tsarnaev so he could be questioned. The FBI, however, declined to discuss what prompted the gunfire.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/officials-boston-suspect-had-no-firearm-when-barrage-of-bullets-hit-hiding-place/2013/04/24/376fc8a0-ad18-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html


and I guess they also admit that those were not "firecrackers" that witnesses heard.
 

Tam

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Anyone that watched the video of the reported rapid gun fire and listened to what was coming over the police radio prior to him sitting up and surrendering, you had to know that the perp was not the one doing the shooting. You can hear (and READ on the screen) some one saying there is gun fire and then again someone else talking about the gun fire as in confirming it. What comes next is telling as you hear (and can read so there was no mistake of what was being said) the hold your fire command come over the radio, then NO GUN FIRE IS HEARD. Now if the perp was exchanging fire with the officers you would have at least heard his gun still shooting but NOPE SILENCE.
 

Mike

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They had to have known there was only one pistol shooting at them in the street gunfight earlier. They found that gun at the scene. Plus, ALL of them must have known they wanted to take him alive for information.

There's a lot of military wannabees in the law enforcement business here in the U.S. today. All of the younger guys want to be on the SWAT/Tactical teams and I've noticed all the deputies and street cops have a helmet, bullet proof vest, a shotgun, an AR-15 in the trunk of their car. Lot's of officers carry two pistols on their belt, one for a back-up.

What's scary is if the higher ups convince them that who they are looking/waiting for or tracking is a bad guy, all they want to do is shoot.

Armored Personnel Carriers with helmets, camoflage and rifles riding the streets is not a good presentation of what America used to or needs to be.

This ain't Israel.

I don't like this new trend at all.
 

Whitewing

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What am I missing here?

If the guy was unarmed in the boat, then he couldn't have fired at officers. And if he refused to stick his head up so they could ID him, or refused to speak with them, then how could they have known it was he who was in the boat?

Why fire on the boat then? What instigated the "gun battle"?
 

Tom in TN

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I live near a small town in southern Middle Tennessee. The police all wear bullet-proof vests, have multiple offensive and defensive weapons on their belts, wear combat boots, and they all have their heads shaved. What's with the shaved heads?

The locals laugh at them, but they apparently think that they need to dress like Rambo.

Tom in TN
 

Mike

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Two U.S. officials say the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard.

Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation, say investigators recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, from the site of a gun battle Thursday night, which injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer. Dzhokhar was believed to have been shot before he escaped.

The officials tell The Associated Press that no gun was found in the boat. Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said earlier that shots were fired from inside the boat.

We saw the same itchy trigger response in LA that resulted in a woman delivering newspapers get shot and her pickup truck was full of bullet holes.
 

Steve

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I was wrong on defending those shooting.. .. but there are alot of "great police".. for every one wanting to shoot his way to a promotion...

They had to have known there was only one pistol shooting at them in the street gunfight earlier.

not necessarily true... I would "NEVER" assume a person I was approaching was unarmed.. especially if the person had:
Let off two bombs in a crowd.
shot an officer while he sat in his car
stopped in a car-chase, got out and started shooting at police
threw explosives at police
shot and critically injured an officer in a gun battle
ran towards police shooting
ran over his own brother
dumped the car and took off on foot.
left explosives and ammo in both cars

while I am not one to shoot first.. let alone shoot at a boat,
had he stood up and so much as pointed his finger at me considering those prior actions.. he may be dead now...

the Boston police need to investigate the shootings..
and an outside organization needs to review their policy..

After listening to the top brass explain how they "ran / rushed" to the scene it shows they have a serious command structure problem..

three top brass do not need to be standing in a driveway.. while shots are coming from the back yard by other officers running to the scene..

it is situations like that that often end in friendly fire..



but I would have still even knowing the facts treated the suspect as armed and dangerous, and considered him to still have explosives..

cause nothing prior to the capture would lead anyone to think he wasn't armed and dangerous.
 

Steve

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Whitewing said:
What am I missing here?

If the guy was unarmed in the boat, then he couldn't have fired at officers. And if he refused to stick his head up so they could ID him, or refused to speak with them, then how could they have known it was he who was in the boat?

Why fire on the boat then? What instigated the "gun battle"?

to many wound up police.. rushing to a scene.. with no command structure,.. cuase they were rushing to the scene as well..

as far as identifying him.. another assumption..

the FBI team appeared to try to initiate contact for some time.
(over an hour to get him to surrender)..
that contact could have been due to his existing wounds and not being able to verbally communicate..

it seems that assumption is to find something that is not there..

just becasue he had no gun in the boat doesn't mean he didn't take one from the car..
 

Mike

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not necessarily true... I would "NEVER" assume a person I was approaching was unarmed..

I didn't say that at all.

I said earlier: "They had to have known there was only one pistol shooting at them in the street gunfight earlier."

Having known that from a briefing, (surely they had been briefed?) , and that the gun involved was found were important factors in how to approach him since it was the wishes of the FBI to capture him alive.

Not just walk up to the boat and start shooting. It was a mistake. Not critical because he lived, but none the less a mistake. One that has been seen before when one of their "Brothers" gets killed.


Besides, when they first shot the hell out of that boat, they weren't positive of who was in it.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Mike said:
Besides, when they first shot the hell out of that boat, they weren't positive of who was in it.


I heard that Hillary was asked about this situation. She said that she would have just used a drone and then it wouldn't have mattered. :wink: [/quote]
 

Mike

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Steve said:
"They had to have known there was only one pistol shooting at them in the street gunfight earlier."

how would they know that?

There were six officers there. Unless they were drunk, they should be able to tell.

When the first brother went down with gun in hand, there was no more shooting.
 

Mike

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The New York Times reported that an M-4 carbine rifle - similar to the weapon used by American troops fighting in Afghanistan - was found aboard the boat and that officials had recovered two handguns and a bb gun used by the two brothers.
The throat wound sustained by Tsaernev was also said by numerous law enforcement sources to be self inflicted.
Sources told Newsday that Tsarnaev's bullet wound looked to be self-inflicted, due to the location of Tsarnaev's wound and the trajectory of the bullet.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314448/Now-officials-claim-Boston-bombing-suspect-NOT-armed-boat-showdown--despite-police-account-firefight-shooting-himself.html#ixzz2RVsQemsk
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Steve

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Mike said:
The New York Times reported that an M-4 carbine rifle - similar to the weapon used by American troops fighting in Afghanistan - was found aboard the boat and that officials had recovered two handguns and a bb gun used by the two brothers.
The throat wound sustained by Tsaernev was also said by numerous law enforcement sources to be self inflicted.
Sources told Newsday that Tsarnaev's bullet wound looked to be self-inflicted, due to the location of Tsarnaev's wound and the trajectory of the bullet.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314448/Now-officials-claim-Boston-bombing-suspect-NOT-armed-boat-showdown--despite-police-account-firefight-shooting-himself.html#ixzz2RVsQemsk
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seems to be one hell of a contradiction... ?

The officials told the AP that say investigators only recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, from the site of a gun battle Thursday night, which injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer.
 

Steve

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Mike said:
Steve said:
"They had to have known there was only one pistol shooting at them in the street gunfight earlier."

how would they know that?

There were six officers there. Unless they were drunk, they should be able to tell.

When the first brother went down with gun in hand, there was no more shooting.

I think many officers can tell there was a gun,.. and they may have found all the guns they thought were used.. but would have no way of knowing if he had any others..

by many accounts they one who died had plenty of ammo.. in the car..
and unexploded bombs left over..



They couldn't rule out him not having more guns..

for example..
the younger terrorist may have had another gun in the the stolen SUV that wasn't readily available in the gun fight,.. that he grabbed when he went on foot..


the last thing you want to do approaching a homicidal maniac / terrorist that is cornered is assume he doesn't have another gun.


the police had no reason to conclude he didn't have access to another weapon.. more bombs or worse..
 

Steve

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Even though the Tsarnaev brothers made a violent dash from police, allegedly tossing homemade bombs as they fled, police told ABC News they so far have recovered only a single, semi-automatic handgun from the two men now accused of carrying off the Boston Marathon bombing.

Law enforcement sources told ABC News the gun recovered from the scene of the Tsarnaev brothers' shoot out with police was a Ruger 9 mm semi-automatic handgun. Sources said the gun is in the custody of the Massachusetts State Police lab and that the serial number on the firearm was obliterated.

The gun, presumably wielded by the older of the two brothers, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was recovered by police at the shoot-out scene in Watertown, Mass., and is now with the Massachusetts State Police. Sources told ABC News that no guns were recovered from the boat where 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was eventually apprehended after a stand-off with police.

The Tsarnaev brothers' apparent lack of firearms has led some investigators to theorize that the attack on MIT police officer Sean Collier, in which they allegedly ambushed the officer and shot him five times in the head, was an attempt to arm themselves, officials said.

the media stories have more holes then the shot up boat.. :? :???: :shock: :roll:

the press has been on at least a four year coffee break.. how can you expect them to "investigate" a story and get it right after getting spoonfed the news for four years? :? :???: :shock: :roll:
 

Tam

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Steve said:
Even though the Tsarnaev brothers made a violent dash from police, allegedly tossing homemade bombs as they fled, police told ABC News they so far have recovered only a single, semi-automatic handgun from the two men now accused of carrying off the Boston Marathon bombing.

Law enforcement sources told ABC News the gun recovered from the scene of the Tsarnaev brothers' shoot out with police was a Ruger 9 mm semi-automatic handgun. Sources said the gun is in the custody of the Massachusetts State Police lab and that the serial number on the firearm was obliterated.

The gun, presumably wielded by the older of the two brothers, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was recovered by police at the shoot-out scene in Watertown, Mass., and is now with the Massachusetts State Police. Sources told ABC News that no guns were recovered from the boat where 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was eventually apprehended after a stand-off with police.

The Tsarnaev brothers' apparent lack of firearms has led some investigators to theorize that the attack on MIT police officer Sean Collier, in which they allegedly ambushed the officer and shot him five times in the head, was an attempt to arm themselves, officials said.

the media stories have more holes then the shot up boat.. :? :???: :shock: :roll:

the press has been on at least a four year coffee break.. how can you expect them to "investigate" a story and get it right after getting spoonfed the news for four years? :? :???: :shock: :roll:

Bingo investigative journalist died when the reporters drank the Koolaid and allowed themselves to be USED to push a Political agenda instead of searching out the TRUTH. When you have an Administration that can strip all reference to a War on Terrorism from the media vocabulary you know you are going to run into BIG HOLES in any and ALL reporting they do to protect that supported agenda.

It has become very apparent that if you are interested in the TRUTH you better plan on listening to a lot of crap and sift through it to find what sounds logical then find three other reliable sources that have a similar story line. Then still doubt it.

I believe Perp #2 didn't have a gun in the boat as I heard a video of the "hold your fire" order and the next thing you heard was SILENCE. Those shooting up that boat are lucky the perp was not strapped with a bomb or they could have blown up the whole yard, boat house and all. :roll:
 
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