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Health Care Costs Measured In Cupcakes

MoGal

Well-known member
(hope ;you don't mind me putting this here since its a synopsis of the Muslim Hitler we have in the white house......his health care plan)..... euthanasia for the old, disabled and sickly and of course all Americans get to pay for the illegals health care and the illegals cannot be taxed at all for it..... time to get busy and write/fax/email your congress critters....... and get George Orwell out of America.

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=903496 ^

Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 5:12:23 PM by CMS

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.


1017 pages of HR3200
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

But I got it off of another forum http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=903496

and they got it from, and just cleaned it up a bit.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html

another link:
http://coto2.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/obama-health-care-plan-summary-ludicrous/
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

Maybe if they rush this bill through they can kill 2 birds with one stone, and sign you up when they are doing the census.

that's a positive, isn't it?
 

MoGal

Well-known member
Actually the last link listed is more credible and this is another story from the same place ... most people who don't have health insurance isn't because they don't want it, its not affordable....

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/is-the-obama-health-care-plan-really-better-than-nothing/

part of the article:
The real Obama Plan: doesn’t cover the uninsured till 2013, if then
The first clue that something is deeply wrong with the Obama health care proposal is its timeline. According to a copyrighted July 21 AP story by Ricardo Alfonso-Zaldivar,

President Lyndon Johnson signed the Medicare law on July 30, 1965, and 11 months later seniors were receiving coverage. But if President Barack Obama gets to sign a health care overhaul this fall, the uninsured won’t be covered until 2013 — after the next presidential election.

In fact, a timeline of the 1,000-page health care bill crafted by House Democrats shows it would take the better part of a decade — from 2010-2018 — to get all the components of the far-reaching proposal up and running.”

According to a peer reviewed 2009 study in the American Journal of Medicine, 62% of the nation’s (bankruptcies) were triggered by unpayable medical bills in 2007. Most of these had health insurance when they fell ill or were injured, but with loopholes, exclusions, high deductibles and co-payments, or were simply dropped when they got sick. In 2008 that figure was 66% of 934,000 personal bankruptcies and in 2009 it could approach 70% of 1.1 million bankruptcies. And 18,000 Americans die each year because medical care is unaffordable or unavailable. Waiting till 2013 means millions of families will be financially ruined and tens of thousands will die unnecessarily.

If the Johnson administration with no computers back in the sixties could implement Medicare for 45 million seniors in under a year, why does it take three and a half years in the 21st century to cover some, but not all, of America’s fifty million uninsured? And why does the Obama Plan make us wait till after the next presidential election?
 

MoGal

Well-known member
hi hypo - I already have health insurance tyvm and I'm tired of government trying to control everything.... socialism is communism, read your history. If you think I need to see a dr because I called Obama a muslim Hitler then too bad we still have freedom of speech...... look at the history of Hitler and see how Obama lines up.... in fact if you look at how the government was during the Roman empire, we have the same type government and the Roman empire fell when their congress stopped representing the people, filled their own coffers and Rome passed a law that if you had a job you could not quit because someone had to pay taxes for those on the government dole. Read your history. I'm not happy with the way our government is treating the people.

I got that notice in an email from naturalnews.com and like they said some of its good and some of it isn't, but it doesn't seem to be beneficial for most everyone and I'm tired of corporate america beating the people because they have lobbying money and congress has forgotton its the people they serve and not corporations.

Actually if they want to really insure the people then raise the number of people eligible to get Medicaid benefits. Change the way Medicaid spenddown is calculated (spenddown is when you have a large medical expense such as hospitalization, but its not an ongoing monthly expense) so that people aren't forced into bankruptcy over a medical bill.

Its not right nor fair when one has health insurance which pays more than medicaid would have paid and yet the medical supplier can take you to court to collect co-insurance/deductibles and they don't someone on medicaid. Seems like you're being penalized for trying to be an asset to the country instead of a debit. But we're in an upside down world where good is evil and evil is good.
 
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