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Health care debate.

Steve

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OldTimer
The alternative is a rapidly rising health care and health care insurance cost....I can't afford to pay 10.6% a year more for insurance...Can you Steve?

Maybe the question should be "Can we afford 10% more in taxes?"

NO

I served my country to get my health insurance.. it wasn't the only reason... while it lagged behind love of my country, and proud of what I was doing.. and all the other great reasons for serving, it was one of the reasons I served..

It doesn't cover everything... it has deductibles.. and a cap.. but most of all it is available to every American who sacrifices twenty years to get it..

I see friends who have alot more then I did.. and were years ahead of me when I retired.. they had homes.. cars.. and nice things..

I have a small pension, and health care... pride and a feeling that what I did was worth something...

until I retired I had never owned a new car.. and I was often deployed away from our home..we didn't have much.. but it seemed worth it,..

is there any thing wrong with sacrificing to get what we need?
 
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Anonymous

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Your lucky Steve- Not many of us get health care for life until we hit 65...And not all of us can serve in the military- or find jobs that pay for or even offer health care insurance- especially for after you retire ....I served my country and state too for 27 years- at much lower wages than what was available in the private world - because I felt what I was doing was right and necessary...I ended up with a small pension- but no paid health care insurance...If I had continued my health care insurance (which I could have) I would have had to pay all of it- and it would cost me over half what my pension was.... :roll: :lol:

We need to give all those that don't have the ability to obtain health care coverage, that ability...Either that or the human values of this country you and I spent our lives for mean nothing.....
 

Steve

Well-known member
Your lucky Steve-

in many ways, yes... but not how you think..

I don't have a problem with giving every one the ability to get affordable health care.. but I have never seen our congress do what is right, nor affordable..

what will more then likely happen is the same as Schip..

a well meaning program for poor un-insured children will grow into a program for the wealthy to get cheap insurance.. so they can have more.. and for Americans to be irresponsible..

when will it be enough? ,...if $68,000 is to little to live on, then is $108,000 per year enough?

if so why do I have to pay more taxes so a person making alot more then I, gets affordable insurance, that I sacrificed to pay for in full?

and when every one goes on the program.. will that be enough?..
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
Your lucky Steve-

in many ways, yes... but not how you think..

I don't have a problem with giving every one the ability to get affordable health care.. but I have never seen our congress do what is right, nor affordable..

They are about the only hope we have left.... I put high hopes in GW when he campaigned on a health care cost reform platform- and then got a same party (Republican) Congress to do it with
BUT
then as soon as he was elected he forgot about the common folk and sold out to Big Business and the elite- actually worsening the peoples problem with his backing of the profiteering of the Pharmaceutical industries....

So we have seen Big Business/Industry/ the private sector won't do anything to help- so that leaves us only Congress and a new President (hopefully one thats not in the pockets of Big Business so much)....
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
Part of my insurance is covered and part isn't. Here's the problem I'm in my early thirties and it has been steadily going up at least one hundred dollars per month a year. By the time I'm forty I'm either gonna have insurance or eat. The problem being I really like to eat..........
 

Steve

Well-known member
CattleArmy said:
Part of my insurance is covered and part isn't. Here's the problem I'm in my early thirties and it has been steadily going up at least one hundred dollars per month a year. By the time I'm forty I'm either gonna have insurance or eat. The problem being I really like to eat..........

I guess that for the most part.. I feel that affordable health insurance should be available..

my coverage is not exactly free... I still have deductables... cost share and caps.. and at times the procedures or medication is not covered.. but it is good, and I feel that my sacrifice was worth it over all.. .but I see others who don't do anything to help themselves and feel that when the congress starts passing out the free health care,.. we as Americans who pay taxes will be stiffed with the bill...

I even take exception that with the dems who fought for someone making $68,000 as being poor... to me at that income level it is a choice as to getting health care or more stuff....

With our congress, our health care, will not be affordable ...
 

Cal

Well-known member
It seems to me like at sometime in the past, Walter Williams has pointed out that the number of people that will make a hobby out of going to the Dr. if it isn't coming out of their own pocket will be amazing. Something that supposedly has already happened in some systems.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
We need to give all those that don't have the ability to obtain health care coverage, that ability...Either that or the human values of this country you and I spent our lives for mean nothing.....

I am all for some changes, Hospital cost need to get under control and stable. But around here many people make choices not to go after Health Insurance. I know I was one of those that did not.

I was young, making good money but wanting things. I also wanted my wife to stay at home with kids. Being self employed I chose not to buy insurance rolling the dice. And it bit me in the butt, I learned the hard way and had to pay my way out of some medical debt. But I could have chosen to buy it instead of the New boat or my wife could have went to work were it was provided. I made those choices and I had to live with it.

Now we have insurance, my wife went back to college and got a Job with medical, but at any time she could have gotten a job that had it.

There is many places people can work to get insurance if that is their desire. There is not a guarantee that we can have everything we want in life. We have a responsibility to provide for ourselves not rely on the Government to do so for us.

I never want to reach a point were I am asking the Government to provide anything for me besides the public services I feel that our tax dollars should go for.

I do not want the Government providing food, shelter or medical for me or my family they do such a bad job at most anything they control I don't want them messing with those important areas of my families life, that is my job and my responsibility, not McCain, Obama nor Hillary!
 
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Anonymous

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I do not want the Government providing food, shelter or medical for me or my family they do such a bad job at most anything they control I don't want them messing with those important areas of my families life, that is my job and my responsibility, not McCain, Obama nor Hillary!

My understanding in going over all three of their medical care and medical insurance plans- none will tell you who (Dr.) you have to see- where (medical care provider) you have to go- or what insurance you have to choose.....Medical care will still be provided by private providers..All they are attempting to do is make insurance affordable and accessible by all......
The choice will still be yours....
 

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