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Health care

CattleArmy

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http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Barack Obama's Plan
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress.

The Obama plan will have the following features:

Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.

Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.

Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.


Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.



McCain's http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm


John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage. While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit - effectively cash - of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider. Those obtaining innovative insurance that costs less than the credit can deposit the remainder in expanded Health Savings Accounts.
 
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Anonymous

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Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.

This would P.O. old King George off royally- since he put all these into place, screwing the American public, while allowing his family interests/investments in the Pharmaceutical Industry to profiteer....
 

Sandhusker

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How much is Obama's plan going to cost now? How about in 5 years? 10 years?

If health care is too expensive for individuals to pay for themselves, and as the government gets it's funding from those same individuals, how does it get more affordable after individuals filter their money through a government buerocracy?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
How much is Obama's plan going to cost now? How about in 5 years? 10 years?

Probably about two months of what we spend (sqander) in Iraq building their hospitals and funding their heath care program :shock: :(
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.

This would P.O. old King George off royally- since he put all these into place, screwing the American public, while allowing his family interests/investments in the Pharmaceutical Industry to profiteer....

So you are condoning more outsourcing? Thought you was against outsourcing, or do you aprove if it helps YOU financially?

Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
How much is Obama's plan going to cost now? How about in 5 years? 10 years?

Probably about two months of what we spend (sqander) in Iraq building their hospitals and funding their heath care program :shock: :(

But if the Iraq war is Bankrupting us would it not also bankrupt us if we spent the money on health care instead of the war?

Liberals complain about the money spent in Iraq and say how it is bankrupting us, but then when a big government idea they like comes up they say how we can use that Iraq money to fund it. :?
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
How much is Obama's plan going to cost now? How about in 5 years? 10 years?

If health care is too expensive for individuals to pay for themselves, and as the government gets it's funding from those same individuals, how does it get more affordable after individuals filter their money through a government buerocracy?

how about two less meals a day,and lights out by nine pm,in prsons across the country for starters.why shold they get free health care,...Stop spending money on rebuilding Iraq..charge more taxes on ciggeretes and alcohol.and junk food...they cause a direct strain on your medicare so make them pay..Fine companies that pollute,air or water...Make those that break the law pay back the money spent on room and board,they make people pay back college loans why not make the dregs of society buck up for what they used ..Just to name a few spots that you could take tax dollers from.......
 

CattleArmy

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Sandhusker said:
How much is Obama's plan going to cost now? How about in 5 years? 10 years?

If health care is too expensive for individuals to pay for themselves, and as the government gets it's funding from those same individuals, how does it get more affordable after individuals filter their money through a government buerocracy?

I wonder if there wouldn't be more government restrictions on health care costs if in the long run that wouldn't help out our health care system more then anything? A lid on perscription drugs costs and also the availability of an individual to have coverage from drugs deemed safe say the ones from Canada? If there was some competition possibly that would help costs also?
 

kolanuraven

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Where does this crap about " unsafe drugs from Canada" come from anyway? Geeeezzzzz...........


I've yet to see a news report about dead Canadians being stacked like cord wood due to bad drugs!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:


Give me a Canadian aspirin ANY DAY over one from China.
 

CattleArmy

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Or picked up? :D

Now I'm questioning if I'm Butch or Rosie? Since Kola will pack guns and eat turtles I better be Rosie plus I'm kinda high maintenance Callie.





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Mike

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Health care costs must be reined in before health insurance can be made more affordable.

All these politicians are going after the problem back-asswards.

Getting government "OUT" of the health care business would be my most likely way to start................

Those that have health insurance do not give a hoot how much a doctor or hospital charges for any given procedure......

How many people shop prices before going to surgery?
 

Larrry

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How many doctors send you for expensive tests first thing and 95% chance the reason they do is to cover their azz for liability reasons.
 

Mike

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Larrry said:
How many doctors send you for expensive tests first thing and 95% chance the reason they do is to cover their azz for liability reasons.

This would fall under the "Shoot All The Lawyers" category....

This is Step #2........... :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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ANY government health care plan ignores the real problem, which is the cost. If the costs were down, employers and individuals could afford it and we wouldn't even be talking about a government plan. $5 aspirins and $2000/day hospital beds are what needs to be addressed. I had shoulder surgery a few years ago - I was in the building less than 3 hours - and the bill was $7500. THAT is what Obama-Llama needs to address. A $5 aspirin has a much larger profit margin than any what any oil company is pulling off - maybe BarryO ought to take his windfalls profit tax to hospitals.

It still makes absolutely no sense to me how filtering our money through the government will fix a dang thing. The government gets their funding through us, and if we can't afford health care directly, we sure as hell won't be able to afford it after we pay overhead on another government program.
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.

This would P.O. old King George off royally- since he put all these into place, screwing the American public, while allowing his family interests/investments in the Pharmaceutical Industry to profiteer....

So you are condoning more outsourcing? Thought you was against outsourcing, or do you aprove if it helps YOU financially?

Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
How much is Obama's plan going to cost now? How about in 5 years? 10 years?

Probably about two months of what we spend (sqander) in Iraq building their hospitals and funding their heath care program :shock: :(

But if the Iraq war is Bankrupting us would it not also bankrupt us if we spent the money on health care instead of the war?

Liberals complain about the money spent in Iraq and say how it is bankrupting us, but then when a big government idea they like comes up they say how we can use that Iraq money to fund it. :?

There is a whole lot of difference in money that is going to build the infrastructure of YOUR own country- and going to raise the standard of living and welfare of the people of YOUR own country-- than there is money thats going into Ali Baba's pocket in a far off never land- to continue funding their fueds for power that have been going on for 1000's of years...

The domestic funding is at least used to create US jobs, and the health services fund US health care workers- and aid US citizens--not going into Halliburtons fingers (to take their big rake off) to be subcontracted to some Yemani Company that hires all Indonesians- and its money we never see again... :(

I can't believe this current breed of new Republican- that thinks we should be foreign aiding every guy that walks in with a sheet wrapped around his head thats on our side--while handing out appeasement money to any Mullah that saber rattles at us- building foreign nations, before our own....

No wonder they've lost $25 Billion dollars they have no idea where it went :shock:

Even Ike- who started the Interstate Transportation Program- and created the HHS Dept. recognized the importance of these- and the importance of a strong Home defense-and keeping our noses out of these unnecessary wars...
 
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