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'Help Obama' line removed from kiddie lobbyist action plan

hypocritexposer

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Looks like they "misspoke" again.

September 03, 2009
'Help Obama' line removed from kiddie lobbyist action plan
Rick Moran

Appropos of Henry Percy's piece in AT yesterday about Obama's kiddie address, Matthew Mosk of the Washington Times informs us that one of the more ludicrous and controversial aspects of the propaganda effort is being dropped; turning our kids into Obamabot lobbyists by asking them "What can you do to help the president?"

President Obama's plan to inspire the nation's schoolchildren with a video address next week erupted into controversy Wednesday, forcing the White House to pull out its eraser and rewrite a government recommendation that teachers nationwide assign students a paper on how to "help the president."

Presidential aides acknowledged the White House helped the U.S. Education Department craft the proposal, which immediately was met by fierce criticism from Republicans and conservative organizations who accused Mr. Obama of trying to politicize the education system.

White House aides said the language was an honest misunderstanding in what was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths.

We've had a lot of these "honest misunderstandings" with this crew, haven't we? It's a very revealing tactic that whenever the White House clearly oversteps the bounds of propriety with their promotion of Obama as messiah, or Obama as The One, that they quickly backtrack only to try again sometime later.

So what did they replace the "help Obama" line with?

The rewritten line said students should "write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals.

These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

Mr. Vietor said the reaction to the lesson plan may not have been so strong had the curriculum been circulated after people heard the speech, which he said does not mention any political issues and does not stray from a clear message encouraging children to excel and stay in school.

You and I both know that many liberal teachers will ignore the revision and force kids to write what they can do to help our Dear Leader. The White House knows this too which is why this is one more in a long line of dishonest "revisions" the White House has undertaken to make people think they are not promoting a cult of personality for Obama.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/help_obama_line_removed_from_k.html
 
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White House aides said the language was an honest misunderstanding in what was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths.

Yep--thats what it meant to most educated and rational folks of the country---but it flew right over the heads of the Bubbas of America that make up rightwingernutland-- and who then had urinary incontinence as they screamed "the sky is falling".... :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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The majority now distrusts Obama.

There are protocols in place for a reason. Why did the Dept of Education bypass the Boards of Education, and go directly to the School Principals?

Everytime this guy bypasses or does a "workaround" it lowers the trust level a little more.

He and his supporters just aren't getting it. Obama is not all-knowing and he's not trusted as much as he thinks he is.

The "we the people" are still in control
 
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hypocritexposer said:
The majority now distrusts Obama.

There are protocols in place for a reason. Why did the Dept of Education bypass the Boards of Educations, and go directly to the School Principals?

Everytime this guy bypass or does a "workaround" it lowers the trust level a little more.

BULLPUCKEY-- I was on the School Board for several years-- and all that goes thru the Superintendents and the Principals....Lots of times it came out thru the State Supt of Schools...

I think with the problems some areas now face with their schools and dropout rate its actually refreshing to see the Dept of Education take an active role...And the Dept has been around since the 1860's - and been cabinet level since 1980- so this is no new left wing conspiracy for you to be dreaming about Hypo....
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
The majority now distrusts Obama.

There are protocols in place for a reason. Why did the Dept of Education bypass the Boards of Educations, and go directly to the School Principals?

Everytime this guy bypass or does a "workaround" it lowers the trust level a little more.

BULLPUCKEY-- I was on the School Board for several years-- and all that goes thru the Superintendents and the Principals....Lots of times it came out thru the State Supt of Schools...

I think with the problems some areas now face with their schools and dropout rate its actually refreshing to see the Dept of Education take an active role...And the Dept has been around since the 1860's - and been cabinet level since 1980- so this is no new left wing conspiracy for you to be dreaming about Hypo....

there are protocols in place for a reason. If you choose to bypass those, it will raise suspicions, when you are not trusted.

No conspiracy, just commons sense.
 

garn

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hypocritexposer said:
The majority now distrusts Obama.

There are protocols in place for a reason. Why did the Dept of Education bypass the Boards of Education, and go directly to the School Principals?

Everytime this guy bypasses or does a "workaround" it lowers the trust level a little more.

He and his supporters just aren't getting it. Obama is not all-knowing and he's not trusted as much as he thinks he is.

The "we the people" are still in control

Chicago sytle of polictics at it's finest :shock:
 

Twister Frost

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Oldtimer said:
White House aides said the language was an honest misunderstanding in what was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths.

Yep--thats what it meant to most educated and rational folks of the country---but it flew right over the heads of the Bubbas of America that make up rightwingernutland-- and who then had urinary incontinence as they screamed "the sky is falling".... :roll:

Exactly why they should run everything through the Department of Education--talking about a speech on education and the dimwits cannot even use proper grammar--it's an inspirational...
And no, I am not a Bubba and I do not live in rightwingernutland--I just feel that his politics do not belong in the schools taking up teaching minutes--we already do what he says he is trying to do--I inspire everyday and I do not use politics to do it. Just admit it; this was a bad move.
 
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Twister Frost said:
Oldtimer said:
White House aides said the language was an honest misunderstanding in what was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths.

Yep--thats what it meant to most educated and rational folks of the country---but it flew right over the heads of the Bubbas of America that make up rightwingernutland-- and who then had urinary incontinence as they screamed "the sky is falling".... :roll:

Exactly why they should run everything through the Department of Education--talking about a speech on education and the dimwits cannot even use proper grammar--it's an inspirational...
And no, I am not a Bubba and I do not live in rightwingernutland--I just feel that his politics do not belong in the schools taking up teaching minutes--we already do what he says he is trying to do--I inspire everyday and I do not use politics to do it. Just admit it; this was a bad move.

Did you think it was a bad idea and show your discontent when GW and GHW Bush did the same... :???:
Or is it just bad when its someone that doesn't belong to your cultist group :???:


George H.W. Bush: Encouraged "America's students to strive for excellence." While president, George H.W. Bush gave a speech to schoolchildren intended "to motivate America's students to strive for excellence; to increase students' as well as parents' responsibility/accountability; and to promote students' and parents' awareness of the educational challenge we face." According to The Washington Post, the "White House sent letters to schools across the nation to encourage teachers and principals to allow students to tune in the speech, which was also carried live by the Mutual Broadcasting and NBC Radio Network. The live television and radio coverage was arranged at the request of the Education Department." [Washington Post, 10/2/91]
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George W. Bush: Learning materials from White House. As Media Matters for America deputy research director Simon Maloy noted, former President George W. Bush posted a "teacher's guide" on the White House website intended to help students understand the "freedom timeline" and encouraged them to "explor[e] the biographies of the President, Mrs. Bush, Vice President, and Mrs. Cheney."
 

hypocritexposer

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From what I've seen in the script, the parents will have to be partners in what Obama's message is trying to accomplish. If any constructive change is going to be made, why not have the speech during hours that parents can be involved.

Too much chance of lost message through translation.

The idea of a speech to a "captive market", by a person parents do not trust is what is worrying most.

Financing for a Bush Speech Is Attacked
Published: Friday, October 4, 1991

And the House majority leader, Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri, said, "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the President."

Democrats assailed the Bush Administration today for spending $26,750 in taxpayer money to hire a production company that oversaw President Bush's telecast from an eighth-grade classroom here to schoolchildren around the country on Tuesday.

The money came from the Education Department's salary and expense budget. As a result, Representative William D. Ford, the Michigan Democrat who heads the House Education and Labor Committee, demanded that Education Secretary Lamar Alexander appear before the committee to defend his "spending scarce education dollars to produce a media event."

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/04/us/financing-for-a-bush-speech-is-attacked.html
 

Lonecowboy

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The idea of having Obama speak directly to children without so much as a permission slip being sent home just "makes you feel a little funny," said Beth Milledge of Winterset, Iowa. She said she plans on going to school with her 8-year-old son to watch the address with him.

"I want to know how it's being presented," she said. "I'm all for my child having respect for the president, but why wouldn't he show us the speech first and then go from there?"

Dana Loesch, spokeswoman for the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, has started a campaign to ask schools to provide an alternative to the speech for parents who do not wish their children to experience a presidential address in school. Loesch has urged parents to contact schools directly to find out if the "partisan presentation" will air in their child's classroom.

"It went straight from the Department of Education right to the principals," Loesch told FOX News. "There's a lot of parents who have spoken to me [and] they've talked to their principals, and it kind of 'weirded' them out a little because this is also the first that protocol has been skipped."
 
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Lonecowboy said:
The idea of having Obama speak directly to children without so much as a permission slip being sent home just "makes you feel a little funny," said Beth Milledge of Winterset, Iowa. She said she plans on going to school with her 8-year-old son to watch the address with him.

"I want to know how it's being presented," she said. "I'm all for my child having respect for the president, but why wouldn't he show us the speech first and then go from there?"

Dana Loesch, spokeswoman for the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, has started a campaign to ask schools to provide an alternative to the speech for parents who do not wish their children to experience a presidential address in school. Loesch has urged parents to contact schools directly to find out if the "partisan presentation" will air in their child's classroom.

"It went straight from the Department of Education right to the principals," Loesch told FOX News. "There's a lot of parents who have spoken to me [and] they've talked to their principals, and it kind of 'weirded' them out a little because this is also the first that protocol has been skipped."


Lonecowboy--Did you think it was a bad idea and show your discontent when GW and GHW Bush did the same... :???: GHW sent letters directly to the schools....
Or is it just bad when its someone that doesn't follow footsteps in your cultist beliefs :???:

Comical--Bush holds Ramadan dinners for Muslims- its BAD according to rightwingernuts.
GW Bush holds 8 Ramadan dinners for Muslims- its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

Obama sends out notification of a speach to the students of the nation- its BAD according to rightwingernuts.
GW Bush sends out notification of a speach to the sudents of the nation- its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

Obama posts a teachers guide involving what students need to do to succeed- and its bad according to the rightwingernuts.
GW Bush posts teachers guides to study his "war policy" and him as President - and its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

JUST ADMIT IT--NOTHING OBAMA DOES WILL EVER BE RIGHT WITH YOU! :roll:

HYPOCRITES




George H.W. Bush: Encouraged "America's students to strive for excellence." While president, George H.W. Bush gave a speech to schoolchildren intended "to motivate America's students to strive for excellence; to increase students' as well as parents' responsibility/accountability; and to promote students' and parents' awareness of the educational challenge we face." According to The Washington Post, the "White House sent letters to schools across the nation to encourage teachers and principals to allow students to tune in the speech, which was also carried live by the Mutual Broadcasting and NBC Radio Network. The live television and radio coverage was arranged at the request of the Education Department." [Washington Post, 10/2/91]
-----------------------------------
George W. Bush: Learning materials from White House. As Media Matters for America deputy research director Simon Maloy noted, former President George W. Bush posted a "teacher's guide" on the White House website intended to help students understand the "freedom timeline" and encouraged them to "explor[e] the biographies of the President, Mrs. Bush, Vice President, and Mrs. Cheney."
 

hypocritexposer

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OT, I know you don't understand this, because you are still punch drunk on Liberal Koolaid but.....

People don't trust Obama's intentions.

Through being deceptive, he has lost the trust of "we the people"

As more people become aware of his past and his connections to Socialist/Communist/Eugenicist Radicals, the trust level will further decrease.



I'm sure the number will grow.

School Districts in Six States to Refrain from Showing Presidential Address Next Week

White House officials seemed to be caught flat-footed by the response to what they say was a simple back to school address by President Obama to students across the nation -- and has turned into a firestorm.

The White House now admits that one of the lessons plans surrounding the speech was written clumsily, subjecting it to misinterpretation, and had to be re-written.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09/school-districts-in-six-states-to-refrain-from-showing-presidential-address-next-week.html
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
The idea of having Obama speak directly to children without so much as a permission slip being sent home just "makes you feel a little funny," said Beth Milledge of Winterset, Iowa. She said she plans on going to school with her 8-year-old son to watch the address with him.

"I want to know how it's being presented," she said. "I'm all for my child having respect for the president, but why wouldn't he show us the speech first and then go from there?"

Dana Loesch, spokeswoman for the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, has started a campaign to ask schools to provide an alternative to the speech for parents who do not wish their children to experience a presidential address in school. Loesch has urged parents to contact schools directly to find out if the "partisan presentation" will air in their child's classroom.

"It went straight from the Department of Education right to the principals," Loesch told FOX News. "There's a lot of parents who have spoken to me [and] they've talked to their principals, and it kind of 'weirded' them out a little because this is also the first that protocol has been skipped."


Lonecowboy--Did you think it was a bad idea and show your discontent when GW and GHW Bush did the same... :???: GHW sent letters directly to the schools....
Or is it just bad when its someone that doesn't follow footsteps in your cultist beliefs :???:

Comical--Bush holds Ramadan dinners for Muslims- its BAD according to rightwingernuts.
GW Bush holds 8 Ramadan dinners for Muslims- its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

Obama sends out notification of a speach to the students of the nation- its BAD according to rightwingernuts.
GW Bush sends out notification of a speach to the sudents of the nation- its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

Obama posts a teachers guide involving what students need to do to succeed- and its bad according to the rightwingernuts.
GW Bush posts teachers guides to study his "war policy" and him as President - and its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

JUST ADMIT IT--NOTHING OBAMA DOES WILL EVER BE RIGHT WITH YOU! :roll:

HYPOCRITES




George H.W. Bush: Encouraged "America's students to strive for excellence." While president, George H.W. Bush gave a speech to schoolchildren intended "to motivate America's students to strive for excellence; to increase students' as well as parents' responsibility/accountability; and to promote students' and parents' awareness of the educational challenge we face." According to The Washington Post, the "White House sent letters to schools across the nation to encourage teachers and principals to allow students to tune in the speech, which was also carried live by the Mutual Broadcasting and NBC Radio Network. The live television and radio coverage was arranged at the request of the Education Department." [Washington Post, 10/2/91]
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George W. Bush: Learning materials from White House. As Media Matters for America deputy research director Simon Maloy noted, former President George W. Bush posted a "teacher's guide" on the White House website intended to help students understand the "freedom timeline" and encouraged them to "explor[e] the biographies of the President, Mrs. Bush, Vice President, and Mrs. Cheney."

Just admit it oldtimer you wont be happy until the USA is sold down the river by obama and the democraps, Can you really do anything except bash Bush!! your argument is startting to fall flat because that isd all you have to offer except lies as you see fit to tell!!
 

Twister Frost

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Oldtimer said:
Twister Frost said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep--thats what it meant to most educated and rational folks of the country---but it flew right over the heads of the Bubbas of America that make up rightwingernutland-- and who then had urinary incontinence as they screamed "the sky is falling".... :roll:

Exactly why they should run everything through the Department of Education--talking about a speech on education and the dimwits cannot even use proper grammar--it's an inspirational...
And no, I am not a Bubba and I do not live in rightwingernutland--I just feel that his politics do not belong in the schools taking up teaching minutes--we already do what he says he is trying to do--I inspire everyday and I do not use politics to do it. Just admit it; this was a bad move.

Did you think it was a bad idea and show your discontent when GW and GHW Bush did the same... :???:
Or is it just bad when its someone that doesn't belong to your cultist group :???:


George H.W. Bush: Encouraged "America's students to strive for excellence." While president, George H.W. Bush gave a speech to schoolchildren intended "to motivate America's students to strive for excellence; to increase students' as well as parents' responsibility/accountability; and to promote students' and parents' awareness of the educational challenge we face." According to The Washington Post, the "White House sent letters to schools across the nation to encourage teachers and principals to allow students to tune in the speech, which was also carried live by the Mutual Broadcasting and NBC Radio Network. The live television and radio coverage was arranged at the request of the Education Department." [Washington Post, 10/2/91]
-----------------------------------
George W. Bush: Learning materials from White House. As Media Matters for America deputy research director Simon Maloy noted, former President George W. Bush posted a "teacher's guide" on the White House website intended to help students understand the "freedom timeline" and encouraged them to "explor[e] the biographies of the President, Mrs. Bush, Vice President, and Mrs. Cheney."
Oldtimer, I respectfully ask that you read my posts and what I write here, rather than what you think I am writing just because I have not jumped on the "I love Obama" wagon. Again, I believe that politics do not belong in the classroom--ever--whether it is coming from the Republicans or Democrats, or for that matter an Independent! I was in the classroom when George H. W. Bush gave his speech, but there was a slight problem---my school did not carry cable, an expense we could not afford, and if my research serves me correctly, his speech was only carried on CNN.
Mr. Bush's Speech: A View From the Bar
By Ann Cook
A Reuters reporter calls our school: Can you get some kids to watch the President's speech tomorrow so I can interview them about their reactions?
Always looking for an authentic learning opportunity--we say "No problem" and hang up.
A few hours before Mr. Bush is scheduled to speak, it occurs to someone that only CNN is carrying the broadcast. For those who mistakenly think education is an issue of national significance, think again. Only CNN, no other TV network or radio station, thought the issue newsworthy enough

By the time George, Jr. did the same, schools would have been wired and many of the classrooms had cable--problem in South Dakota is that we follow some pretty strict guidelines concerning instruction time. Thus, I don't even recall his speech being publicized--after all, he wasn't considered a great hero with educators because of his NCLB---even though, that was Edward Kennedy's baby! So, once again, I do not condone any President wanting to come into the classroom--they all want to use it as a chance to further their agendas.
Now, a question for you, please answer truthfully. Read the following quote, and tell me if you see it the same way as Gephardt, et.al?
As Barack Obama prepares a nationwide broadcast to America's students next Tuesday, it has been revealed that Democrats complained in 1991 when then President George H. W. Bush broadcast a speech from a Northwest Washington junior high school.
In fact, the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), said "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students."
Such was reported by the Washington Post on October 3, 1991 (h/t KY3 Political Notebook via Chuck Todd):
House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.
The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.
"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' " Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town. [...]
Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs.
Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.) said that if Bush feels obliged to use government funds to hire outside consultants "to make him look good," then he should fire some of the public relations experts on the White House payroll. "Then the president might be more sympathetic to unemployment benefits," Frost said, referring to Bush's threat to veto legislation to extend benefits.
Makes one wonder if today's media, with the economy in what they've repeatedly called the worst recession since the Great Depression, will question Obama's use of education funds for his upcoming speech.
After all, when you look at Education Secretary Arne Duncan's letter concerning this event, one has to assume it's costing the Department a great deal of money.
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
White House aides said the language was an honest misunderstanding in what was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths.

Yep--thats what it meant to most educated and rational folks of the country---but it flew right over the heads of the Bubbas of America that make up rightwingernutland-- and who then had urinary incontinence as they screamed "the sky is falling".... :roll:

The problem is not a "stay in school" message by a president, the problem is the scripted questions designed to instill in the children the notion that they need to do something for that clown.

It's all about him - everything about that guy is all about him. But, noooo, he's not a narcissist.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
The idea of having Obama speak directly to children without so much as a permission slip being sent home just "makes you feel a little funny," said Beth Milledge of Winterset, Iowa. She said she plans on going to school with her 8-year-old son to watch the address with him.

"I want to know how it's being presented," she said. "I'm all for my child having respect for the president, but why wouldn't he show us the speech first and then go from there?"

Dana Loesch, spokeswoman for the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, has started a campaign to ask schools to provide an alternative to the speech for parents who do not wish their children to experience a presidential address in school. Loesch has urged parents to contact schools directly to find out if the "partisan presentation" will air in their child's classroom.

"It went straight from the Department of Education right to the principals," Loesch told FOX News. "There's a lot of parents who have spoken to me [and] they've talked to their principals, and it kind of 'weirded' them out a little because this is also the first that protocol has been skipped."


Lonecowboy--Did you think it was a bad idea and show your discontent when GW and GHW Bush did the same... :???: GHW sent letters directly to the schools....
Or is it just bad when its someone that doesn't follow footsteps in your cultist beliefs :???:

Comical--Bush holds Ramadan dinners for Muslims- its BAD according to rightwingernuts.
GW Bush holds 8 Ramadan dinners for Muslims- its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

Obama sends out notification of a speach to the students of the nation- its BAD according to rightwingernuts.
GW Bush sends out notification of a speach to the sudents of the nation- its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

Obama posts a teachers guide involving what students need to do to succeed- and its bad according to the rightwingernuts.
GW Bush posts teachers guides to study his "war policy" and him as President - and its GOOD according to rightwingernuts.

JUST ADMIT IT--NOTHING OBAMA DOES WILL EVER BE RIGHT WITH YOU! :roll:

HYPOCRITES



JUST ADMIT IT OLDTIMER ALL YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IS BASH BUSH!!!!!!
SEE OTHER PEOPLE CAN SHOUT TOO!!!!

JUST ADMIT THAT YOU ARE CANNOT SPEAK WITHOUT IT BEING A BASH BUSH POST :wink: !!!
eh?
 
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Twister Frost said:
Oldtimer said:
Twister Frost said:
Exactly why they should run everything through the Department of Education--talking about a speech on education and the dimwits cannot even use proper grammar--it's an inspirational...
And no, I am not a Bubba and I do not live in rightwingernutland--I just feel that his politics do not belong in the schools taking up teaching minutes--we already do what he says he is trying to do--I inspire everyday and I do not use politics to do it. Just admit it; this was a bad move.

Did you think it was a bad idea and show your discontent when GW and GHW Bush did the same... :???:
Or is it just bad when its someone that doesn't belong to your cultist group :???:


George H.W. Bush: Encouraged "America's students to strive for excellence." While president, George H.W. Bush gave a speech to schoolchildren intended "to motivate America's students to strive for excellence; to increase students' as well as parents' responsibility/accountability; and to promote students' and parents' awareness of the educational challenge we face." According to The Washington Post, the "White House sent letters to schools across the nation to encourage teachers and principals to allow students to tune in the speech, which was also carried live by the Mutual Broadcasting and NBC Radio Network. The live television and radio coverage was arranged at the request of the Education Department." [Washington Post, 10/2/91]
-----------------------------------
George W. Bush: Learning materials from White House. As Media Matters for America deputy research director Simon Maloy noted, former President George W. Bush posted a "teacher's guide" on the White House website intended to help students understand the "freedom timeline" and encouraged them to "explor[e] the biographies of the President, Mrs. Bush, Vice President, and Mrs. Cheney."
Oldtimer, I respectfully ask that you read my posts and what I write here, rather than what you think I am writing just because I have not jumped on the "I love Obama" wagon. Again, I believe that politics do not belong in the classroom--ever--whether it is coming from the Republicans or Democrats, or for that matter an Independent! I was in the classroom when George H. W. Bush gave his speech, but there was a slight problem---my school did not carry cable, an expense we could not afford, and if my research serves me correctly, his speech was only carried on CNN.
Mr. Bush's Speech: A View From the Bar
By Ann Cook
A Reuters reporter calls our school: Can you get some kids to watch the President's speech tomorrow so I can interview them about their reactions?
Always looking for an authentic learning opportunity--we say "No problem" and hang up.
A few hours before Mr. Bush is scheduled to speak, it occurs to someone that only CNN is carrying the broadcast. For those who mistakenly think education is an issue of national significance, think again. Only CNN, no other TV network or radio station, thought the issue newsworthy enough

By the time George, Jr. did the same, schools would have been wired and many of the classrooms had cable--problem in South Dakota is that we follow some pretty strict guidelines concerning instruction time. Thus, I don't even recall his speech being publicized--after all, he wasn't considered a great hero with educators because of his NCLB---even though, that was Edward Kennedy's baby! So, once again, I do not condone any President wanting to come into the classroom--they all want to use it as a chance to further their agendas.
Now, a question for you, please answer truthfully. Read the following quote, and tell me if you see it the same way as Gephardt, et.al?
As Barack Obama prepares a nationwide broadcast to America's students next Tuesday, it has been revealed that Democrats complained in 1991 when then President George H. W. Bush broadcast a speech from a Northwest Washington junior high school.
In fact, the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), said "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students."
Such was reported by the Washington Post on October 3, 1991 (h/t KY3 Political Notebook via Chuck Todd):
House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.
The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.
"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' " Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town. [...]
Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs.
Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.) said that if Bush feels obliged to use government funds to hire outside consultants "to make him look good," then he should fire some of the public relations experts on the White House payroll. "Then the president might be more sympathetic to unemployment benefits," Frost said, referring to Bush's threat to veto legislation to extend benefits.
Makes one wonder if today's media, with the economy in what they've repeatedly called the worst recession since the Great Depression, will question Obama's use of education funds for his upcoming speech.
After all, when you look at Education Secretary Arne Duncan's letter concerning this event, one has to assume it's costing the Department a great deal of money.

No-- I disagree...Like I've said before when I grew up in the 50's and 60's- we were listening to Ikes and Kennedy's and LBJ's speachs in school-- and studying the political situation of the world... And back then we had training about "the big one" and being taught to "duck and cover" when it went off- and what parts of our school were the Civil Defense areas....

I remember watching the "Ich Bin Ein Berliner" speach-- and then discussing the Iron Curtain- and Berlin Wall... We also watched a film of Kruschevs "We will bury you" escapades- and his pounding his shoe on the desk- and daily following the happenings of the Cuban Missile Crisis which included daily assemblies (many of who's kids in our class's had parents airborne in B-52's packing nukes all thru it ) ...
These were world happenings--just as whats going on today are world happenings....

Where do you draw the line- should the local elected Fire Chief not be allowed to teach the kids "Drop and Roll"- if you don't like that Fire Chief? The elected Judge not teach students about the law- and courtroom procedure and etiquette- if you disagree with some of his/her rulings?....The President- like him or not- is the leader of the nation- chosen by the people of the nation.....

Now- I'm the opposite- while I think its wrong to have the Dept of Education paying for and promoting campaign materials-- I think more Civics should be taught in classes-- which definitely involves the President of the US....Especially when the topic is to inspire youths to get more education and succeed- a major problem that hasn't been addressed for too long....

I truly believe Kennedy's "reach for the moon" promotion in the schools got many many students interested in the sciences- which helped us to be a world leader in the science field (and economically) for years- which sadly has disappeared- with the lack of attention delivered to the sciences......
 

Twister Frost

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Oldtimer wrote:
Where do you draw the line- should the local elected Fire Chief not be allowed to teach the kids "Drop and Roll"- if you don't like that Fire Chief? The elected Judge not teach students about the law- and courtroom procedure and etiquette- if you disagree with some of his/her rulings?....
I guess I never knew that "Stop, Drop, and Roll" or "These are the laws that affect juveniles" or "Please don't drink and drive" were political agendas. And you did not read what I said---it is not about liking or disliking Obama---politics do no belong in the classroom--you want history, that is one thing; then, get on the curriculum committee at your school as a community member and help them order books that will give them US history that you want them to read. The examples you bring up from the 50s and 60s have to do with national security issues== healthcare is a social issue, and education is just that---education!
Now- I'm the opposite- while I think its wrong to have the Dept of Education paying for and promoting campaign materials-- I think more Civics should be taught in classes-- which definitely involves the President of the US....Especially when the topic is to inspire youths to get more education and succeed- a major problem that hasn't been addressed for too long....
So, are we to gather that you think his televised speech is not a good idea, since it is running through the Department of Ed budget?
 
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Twister Frost said:
Oldtimer wrote:
Where do you draw the line- should the local elected Fire Chief not be allowed to teach the kids "Drop and Roll"- if you don't like that Fire Chief? The elected Judge not teach students about the law- and courtroom procedure and etiquette- if you disagree with some of his/her rulings?....
I guess I never knew that "Stop, Drop, and Roll" or "These are the laws that affect juveniles" or "Please don't drink and drive" were political agendas. And you did not read what I said---it is not about liking or disliking Obama---politics do no belong in the classroom--you want history, that is one thing; then, get on the curriculum committee at your school as a community member and help them order books that will give them US history that you want them to read. The examples you bring up from the 50s and 60s have to do with national security issues== healthcare is a social issue, and education is just that---education!
Now- I'm the opposite- while I think its wrong to have the Dept of Education paying for and promoting campaign materials-- I think more Civics should be taught in classes-- which definitely involves the President of the US....Especially when the topic is to inspire youths to get more education and succeed- a major problem that hasn't been addressed for too long....
So, are we to gather that you think his televised speech is not a good idea, since it is running through the Department of Ed budget?

What happened today- is tomorrows History....
 
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