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Here comes Nanny Edwards wearing a rubber glove

Cal

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070902/ap_on_el_pr/edwards_2


Edwards backs mandatory preventive care By AMY LORENTZEN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Sep 2, 6:30 PM ET

Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards said on Sunday that his universal health care proposal would require that Americans go to the doctor for preventive care.

"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody get preventive care," he told a crowd sitting in lawn chairs in front of the Cedar County Courthouse. "If you are going to be in the system, you can't choose not to go to the doctor for 20 years. You have to go in and be checked and make sure that you are OK."

He noted, for example, that women would be required to have regular mammograms in an effort to find and treat "the first trace of problem." Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, announced earlier this year that her breast cancer had returned and spread.

Edwards said his mandatory health care plan would cover preventive, chronic and long-term health care. The plan would include mental health care as well as dental and vision coverage for all Americans.

"The whole idea is a continuum of care, basically from birth to death," he said.

The former North Carolina senator said all presidential candidates talking about health care "ought to be asked one question: Does your plan cover every single American?"

"Because if it doesn't they should be made to explain what child, what woman, what man in America is not worthy of health care," he said. "Because in my view, everybody is worth health care."

Edwards said his plan would cost up to $120 billion a year, a cost he proposes covering by ending President Bush's tax cuts to people who make more than $200,000 per year.

Edwards, who has been criticized by some for calling on Americans to be willing to give up their SUVs while driving one, acknowledged Sunday that he owns a Ford Escape hybrid SUV, purchased within the year, and a Chrysler Pacificia, which he said he has had for years.

"I think all of us have to move, have to make progress," he said. "I'm not holyier-than-thou about this. ... I'm like a lot of Americans, I see how serious this issue is and I want to address it myself and I want to help lead the nation in the right direction."

He said he would not buy another SUV in the future.

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Sandhusker

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I don't think the problem is so much who's paying for it as it is the costs that have to be paid. When it costs thousands for just one day in the hospital and $10 tables of aspirin, you're talking costs that nobody can afford.
 

IL Rancher

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My biggest problem with this is what would be mandated as preventavie care.. You have certain states all ready mandating x amount of vaccines and physicals before entering school and some of that is down right odd.. The cervical cancer vaccine (Paplawhatever) is one that Texas was talking about mandating.. It is not so much that I am against vaccines but to madate somethingliek that, when it i so new on the market seems a bit, well, premature..

We go to the doc and get physicals so that is no huge deal for us but I think most would like to have some control over the steps and decisions made about our health and our childrens health..


Sandhusker, it is all about medical malpractice these days when it comes to those dang fees at the hospital.. Have enough family that are doctors that they tell me lovely stories of said fees(Of course some of the problems with medical malpractice is they have some of these docs working 3-13 hour shifts instead of 5 8 hour shifts and don't get me started on the 30 hour shifts that the interns get)
 

Steve

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Edwards:
"If you are going to be in the system, you can't choose not to go to the doctor",..."I'm not holyier-than-thou about this",..

sounds like he "knows best"...

Why would any one vote for a person who says "mandatory", "can't choose", "required to"...when talking about US, "basically from birth to death".. talk about government control...!

When it comes to Edwards,..Mogal, might be on the right tract...he does sound like a dictator..
 

Texan

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....and the exorbitant cost of health care is, in large part, due to ambulance-chasing, slip-and-fall shyster lawyers like John Edwards.
 

Cal

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"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody get preventive care,"
This just irritates the hell out of me! My reply to such personal infringement will always be "F.O.!" The same reply I gave to the census bureau last year when I recieved a "special" form to fill out that asked all kinds of personal questions, under penalty of a fine for failing to reply.

Hey Kola, if you recieve a notice from Bush to go down to the RNC for a free breast exam, would you go? Never know, they might find a lump?

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edit: Found this old article on the census thing. MoGal should like it, it's by Phyllis :wink:

The census has grown beyond its bounds
By Phyllis Schlafly

Mar 13, 2006


While the Patriot Act and National Security Agency wiretapping have received enormous attention and criticism from the mainstream media, another federal agency has been quietly gathering far more personal information about U.S. residents than those laws ever can. And this unreported project affects thousands more people.

Our inquisitive federal government has been demanding that selected U.S. residents answer 73 nosy questions. They are threatened with a fine of $5,000 for failure to respond.

When I first heard about this from a reader in Lake Geneva, Wis., I thought it might be a joke or an anomaly. But when another in Ishpeming on Michigan's Upper Peninsula received the same questionnaire, I realized something is going on nationwide.

These nosy questionnaires come under the friendly name "American Community Survey." But this is not a Gallup or a Harris poll; the interrogator is the U.S. government and has the power to compel and computerize your responses.
The U.S. Constitution authorizes the government to take an "enumeration" every 10th year in order to reapportion the seats in the U.S. House of Representatives to accord with the "respective numbers" of each state's population. The Constitution thus authorizes a count of people; it doesn't authorize the government to find out with whom you share your bed and board.
Beginning in 1960, the 10-year census-taking significantly changed. The government began sending a long form with many questions to a limited number of people, randomly selected, and a short form with only six questions to all remaining U.S. residents.

The government is jumping the gun on the 2010 census, and without public announcement is already sending out an extremely long form, starting with a few thousand mailings each month to a handful of residents in widely scattered small towns that don't generate national media. Recipients can't find neighbors who received the same mailing, so it's difficult to avoid the impression that the project was planned to avoid publicity and citizen opposition.

The person filling out the new long form is labeled "Person 1." That person is required by law to list the name of every other person in the household, giving his or her birth date, sex, race, marital status and relationship.
Other people can be husband, daughter, grandson, in-law, etc. Others can also be "unmarried partner" (defined as a person "who shares a close personal relationship with Person 1") or "roommate (someone sharing the house/apartment but who is not romantically involved with Person 1").

Person 1 must answer 25 questions about his residence and the size of the property. What kind of a home, apartment or condo do you live in, when was it built, when did you move in, are you operating a business in your home, how many rooms and how many bedrooms do you have, what kind of bathroom and kitchen fixtures do you have, and what is the market price of your residence?

The survey asks how much you pay each month for electricity, gas, water, rent, real estate taxes, fire or flood insurance, plus six very specific questions about your first and second monthly mortgage payments. There are questions about your telephone and automobile, and about how many months of the year you and others occupy the residence.

The survey then gets really personal, seeking the answers to 42 questions about you and about every other person who resides in your household. Person 1 is used like a private investigator to extract the information from everybody else, and warned that if anyone doesn't want to answer your nosy questions, you must provide the name and telephone number of such person so Big Brother can follow up.

The information demanded for you and every other person includes very specific questions about what kind of school you and each other one attended and to what grade level, what is each person's "ancestry or ethnic origin" (no matter if your ancestors came here hundreds of years ago), what language you speak at home, how well you speak English, where you lived one year ago, what are specific physical, mental or emotional health conditions, and whether you have given birth during the past year.

More questions demand that you tell the government exactly where you are employed, what transportation you use to get to work, how many people ride in the vehicle with you, how many minutes it takes you to get to work, whether you have been laid off or absent from your job or business, how many weeks you worked during the last year, what kind of a job you have (for-profit company, not-for-profit company, government, self-employed), what kind of business it is, exactly what kind of work you did, what was your last year's wage or salary, and what was your other income from any other source.

The Census Bureau warns: "We may combine your answers with information that you gave to other agencies." (Does that mean IRS? Social Security? New hires directory? Child support enforcement? Criminal databases? Commercial databases?)

The questionnaire promises that it will take only 38 minutes to answer these questions. Of course, that estimate fails to include the hours it takes to collect the required information from so many different sources.


Phyllis Schlafly is the President and Founder of the Eagle Forum.

Copyright © 2006 Copley News Service



Find this story at: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/phyllisschlafly/2006/03/13/189662.html
 

CattleArmy

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I don't know which politician will get it done or who will find just the right plan but in my opinion it's time for universal health care. Health care costs and insurance premiums are skyrocketing and it doesn't seem like we can do a thing to stop it. Perhaps a universal health plan would at least guarantee people wouldn't go broke and lose their assets over a doctors visit or two.
 

Steve

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CattleArmy
Health care costs and insurance premiums are skyrocketing and it doesn't seem like we can do a thing to stop it.

it seems that the cost is "skyrocketing to pay for those who have no health care, and to "fund liability Insurance" ...Ironic...your health insurance premium goes up so the doctor can pay his Liability insurance premium..

seems as if the "insurance company" is getting paid "twice"...

and those who don't (and the few who can't), added to the few who make a buck off the system (lawsuits),..and it all adds up to the paying customer getting it in the shorts...

Now for the "Trillion dollar question",...
if we get universal Health care...who is going to pay for it?
 

Texan

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CattleArmy said:
My understanding and it could be wrong is we are each individually taxed on our income?
So...you think the taxpayer should not only have to pay for his/her own health insurance coverage - but they should also pay higher taxes so that everybody else can have it, too?

That's what's wrong with a socialized "universal health care" plan, CattleArmy. The taxpayer gets it broke off in him AGAIN just to add another layer of bureaucrats. Bureaucrats that we can count on to make everything MORE costly and LESS efficient.
 
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Texan said:
CattleArmy said:
My understanding and it could be wrong is we are each individually taxed on our income?
So...you think the taxpayer should not only have to pay for his/her own health insurance coverage - but they should also pay higher taxes so that everybody else can have it, too?

In ways we are already paying for it-- in increased Hospital/Doctor bills to cover those that don't/can't/won't pay- in increased insurance costs for those raised Hospital costs- and for Govt. insurance (medicaid) for many of those that don't pay any taxes...

And the current Administration is allowing the problem to grow by leaps and bounds daily by refusing to secure our borders-and allowing millions of more unpayers to enter our country.....
 

Cal

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Texan said:
CattleArmy said:
My understanding and it could be wrong is we are each individually taxed on our income?
So...you think the taxpayer should not only have to pay for his/her own health insurance coverage - but they should also pay higher taxes so that everybody else can have it, too?

That's what's wrong with a socialized "universal health care" plan, CattleArmy. The taxpayer gets it broke off in him AGAIN just to add another layer of bureaucrats. Bureaucrats that we can count on to make everything MORE costly and LESS efficient.
Texan is exactly right. There are already some free market clinics coming into existence in places like Mexico and India, and if our great nation becomes a little less great with the addition of another huge entitlement I predict that this practice will mushroom. Those that have serious illness and can afford to will seek out free markets abroad, and those that can't will settle for substandard, socialist run care domestically....while they bemoan the whole ordeal and wonder what happened to our country. The way to fix our health care mess is with less govenment, and a whole lot less "lawyering"....not a total govenment takeover.
 

CattleArmy

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I agree with the fact we are already paying for other peoples health care. The welfare programs are already in place. Also doctors are over charging and getting away with it. Plus insurance keeps going up and up and up.

Why not try something new? The plans we have in place now aren't working and the average american cannot afford health care covereage. I know in the instance of the people of this ranch we just all keep raising our deductabiles more as an insurance that in a health mess the cattle and other assets would be safe and yet we'd all still be looking at massive doctor bills.

How do cows pay for 1200 a month health care premiums? Take that times 12 for the year...............


The main reason I have the job in town is because of health insurance premiums and I get mine provided with work taking it down from 1200 to around 1000. Plus I work with some of the most fun individuals!
 

Cal

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CattleArmy said:
I agree with the fact we are already paying for other peoples health care. The welfare programs are already in place. Also doctors are over charging and getting away with it. Plus insurance keeps going up and up and up.

Why not try something new? The plans we have in place now aren't working and the average american cannot afford health care covereage. I know in the instance of the people of this ranch we just all keep raising our deductabiles more as an insurance that in a health mess the cattle and other assets would be safe and yet we'd all still be looking at massive doctor bills.

How do cows pay for 1200 a month health care premiums? Take that times 12 for the year...............


The main reason I have the job in town is because of health insurance premiums and I get mine provided with work taking it down from 1200 to around 1000. Plus I work with some of the most fun individuals!
We won't be trying something new. If you need to learn about government run healthcare and could use a refresher course in socialism all you need to do is take a day and go visit the Pine Ridge Hospital. Also, do you think the tax increase will be less than your health care premiums? I doubt it, but then you won't have a choice. A ranch or any business can only support a finite number of people at a given size or level of profitability, if that number is exceeded then an alternative needs to be found, as you have done. Isn't it sad that after 230 years we've reached the point that we think we either can't or won't provide for our own well being.
 

CattleArmy

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Cal said:
CattleArmy said:
I agree with the fact we are already paying for other peoples health care. The welfare programs are already in place. Also doctors are over charging and getting away with it. Plus insurance keeps going up and up and up.

Why not try something new? The plans we have in place now aren't working and the average american cannot afford health care covereage. I know in the instance of the people of this ranch we just all keep raising our deductabiles more as an insurance that in a health mess the cattle and other assets would be safe and yet we'd all still be looking at massive doctor bills.

How do cows pay for 1200 a month health care premiums? Take that times 12 for the year...............


The main reason I have the job in town is because of health insurance premiums and I get mine provided with work taking it down from 1200 to around 1000. Plus I work with some of the most fun individuals!
We won't be trying something new. If you need to learn about government run healthcare and could use a refresher course in socialism all you need to do is take a day and go visit the Pine Ridge Hospital. Also, do you think the tax increase will be less than your health care premiums? I doubt it, but then you won't have a choice. A ranch or any business can only support a finite number of people at a given size or level of profitability, if that number is exceeded then an alternative needs to be found, as you have done. Isn't it sad that after 230 years we've reached the point that we think we either can't or won't provide for our own well being.

The people I know that utilize the pine ridge health care system are all the time telling how wonderful it is to get free health care.

I am providing for my own well being it's the reason I have the job in town. I just think it's time that every American has health care.
 
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CattleArmy said:
Cal said:
CattleArmy said:
I agree with the fact we are already paying for other peoples health care. The welfare programs are already in place. Also doctors are over charging and getting away with it. Plus insurance keeps going up and up and up.

Why not try something new? The plans we have in place now aren't working and the average american cannot afford health care covereage. I know in the instance of the people of this ranch we just all keep raising our deductabiles more as an insurance that in a health mess the cattle and other assets would be safe and yet we'd all still be looking at massive doctor bills.

How do cows pay for 1200 a month health care premiums? Take that times 12 for the year...............


The main reason I have the job in town is because of health insurance premiums and I get mine provided with work taking it down from 1200 to around 1000. Plus I work with some of the most fun individuals!
We won't be trying something new. If you need to learn about government run healthcare and could use a refresher course in socialism all you need to do is take a day and go visit the Pine Ridge Hospital. Also, do you think the tax increase will be less than your health care premiums? I doubt it, but then you won't have a choice. A ranch or any business can only support a finite number of people at a given size or level of profitability, if that number is exceeded then an alternative needs to be found, as you have done. Isn't it sad that after 230 years we've reached the point that we think we either can't or won't provide for our own well being.

The people I know that utilize the pine ridge health care system are all the time telling how wonderful it is to get free health care.

I am providing for my own well being it's the reason I have the job in town. I just think it's time that every American has health care.

I have to agree cattlearmy-- as far as our Rez here....They not only have the two reservation hospitals and clinics, but they contract with Glasgow and Williston to provide any services they can't provide-- and if those can't handle it - Billings...

My wife has had 100's of patients that are IHS...
 

Goodpasture

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CattleArmy said:
The people I know that utilize the pine ridge health care system are all the time telling how wonderful it is to get free health care.
My son and daughter and grandkids all use IHS in Claremore OK, and they always have decent medical care.

In fact, my son had a hog step on his ankle when he was 14, and chipped a bone. The IHS saw to it he had the best orthoscopic surgeons in the area work on it. Had it not been for IHS, he would still be crippled. It was a bad enough chip and caused enough pain that the Army and Marines wouldn't take him, even after it was repaired. His is the first generation of my family to not go to war when the country was at war, since 1776.
 

Cal

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CattleArmy said:
Cal said:
CattleArmy said:
I agree with the fact we are already paying for other peoples health care. The welfare programs are already in place. Also doctors are over charging and getting away with it. Plus insurance keeps going up and up and up.

Why not try something new? The plans we have in place now aren't working and the average american cannot afford health care covereage. I know in the instance of the people of this ranch we just all keep raising our deductabiles more as an insurance that in a health mess the cattle and other assets would be safe and yet we'd all still be looking at massive doctor bills.

How do cows pay for 1200 a month health care premiums? Take that times 12 for the year...............


The main reason I have the job in town is because of health insurance premiums and I get mine provided with work taking it down from 1200 to around 1000. Plus I work with some of the most fun individuals!
We won't be trying something new. If you need to learn about government run healthcare and could use a refresher course in socialism all you need to do is take a day and go visit the Pine Ridge Hospital. Also, do you think the tax increase will be less than your health care premiums? I doubt it, but then you won't have a choice. A ranch or any business can only support a finite number of people at a given size or level of profitability, if that number is exceeded then an alternative needs to be found, as you have done. Isn't it sad that after 230 years we've reached the point that we think we either can't or won't provide for our own well being.

The people I know that utilize the pine ridge health care system are all the time telling how wonderful it is to get free health care.

I am providing for my own well being it's the reason I have the job in town. I just think it's time that every American has health care.
"Free Health Care"? Surely you jest. And wonderful isn't an adjective you'll likely hear from those that have lived through, or had someone die from, a situation in which they got what they paid for. Not to mention waiting times and the drugs that aren't available. You're socialistic utopia just ain't in the cards, but if enough of you want to learn the hard way, so be it. BTW, you do realize that most major illnesses and surgeries are transferred to regular hospitals, which require payment to keep operating, which are often left holding the bill, don't you?
 

Sandhusker

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I don't think the problem is so much who is paying for the insurance as it is the cost for whoever has to pay it. Our system has to be bleeding cash. When you have $2000/night hospital stays and $10 tylenols, you've got a problem that nobody can afford. I really think that if we stop the bleeding (no pun intended), health care costs will go down, employers will be able to offer insurance, and there will be one less thing that government can screw up.
 
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