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MsSage

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We have seen what happens to one family who couldnt pay "government"
They called for fire help and the firemen watched the house burn to dust.
 

jingo2

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...but if you want a service....you have to pay for that service.


Don't pay your power bill, water bill, internet bill .....and see what happens....


It is sad what happened...but it's a pretty commom policy " pay to spray' with rural fire depts.

These people knew this service was available to them...they chose not to pay it....

This is America and it was their choice NOT to pay for this service.

It's just the facts and they made theri choice.

I can see both sides of the issue.
 

burnt

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hypocritexposer said:
Once National Governments get as big and as powerful as they are, how do you cut them down to size?

Or government of any size or level, for that matter?
 

MsSage

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Really ...Pay to spray
hmmmmmmm we dont have that here. What we do have is an agreement with the closest volonteer fire dept. They will cross state line to help since the closest one in state is 40 miles away.
I guess since most who live here shop and work in Clayton NM its like just an extention of thier town.


I do have a question...what would have happened if there was someone trapped? Would they have stood around watching?
 

Steve

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jingo2 said:
...but if you want a service....you have to pay for that service.


Don't pay your power bill, water bill, internet bill .....and see what happens....


It is sad what happened...but it's a pretty commom policy " pay to spray' with rural fire depts.

These people knew this service was available to them...they chose not to pay it....

This is America and it was their choice NOT to pay for this service.

It's just the facts and they made theri choice.

I can see both sides of the issue.

I would be willing to bet that the fire dept in question has received some outside aid,.. a grant or a subsidy of some sort..

even if they didn't ,, they as citizens should have helped as they were more then able..

they should have at least assisted the person.. period.. then sent a bill...
 

jingo2

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I doubt they got any extra$$$$.

See, this is what happens when people what their taxes cut....but then want all the services.


The Pay to Spray is pretty common, esp here in Ky , in the rural areas. Yeah, you have the Vol. Dept. but anything outside the city limits....and you want city fire prot. you have to pay a minute fee per yr for it.

So if you don't pay....you don't get it. Really, it's easy math.
 

Steve

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jingo2 said:
I doubt they got any extra$$$$.

most if not all fire departments get some county state and federal aid and grants for equipment and training...


that aid and grants are paid for with Tax $$$$

so just on that basis they "owe" a little back to the larger communities.. that helped support them...



beyond that... as a department... they should have assisted... we don't pay for other local departments but they often show up for larger fires... (mutual aid agreements only determine the order of who shows up and who takes control)..

of all the volunteers and paid guys I talked to about this ,.. most said they would respond...

we even sent our best to NYC on Sept 11, which is well out of our local area.. and paid for it with our funds..

with that said... I pray the fireman can sleep at night knowing they stood by in a persons' time of need..
 

Steve

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Friday, Jan. 12, 1968 AT&T announced their designation of 911 as a universal emergency number at a press conference in the Washington (DC)

July 9, 1978 The federally-financed trial of the first selective routing E911 system went on-line

so down the line.. it looks as if we have all paid a little into the system that failed to protect a man's home... because he wasn't on the list...
 

Steve

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NASHVILLE– Below is a list of communities who were awarded grants:

South Fulton: $500000

they seem to have no problem taking state and federal money for their use.

BTW. the department received $8250 FEMA grant towards equipment..

I want my share back.
 

Steve

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Some facts about this town.

Mayor David Crocker also a full time drug task force agent for Obion county. When does he have time to be a Mayor? Maybe he needs to be check out how he is doing as a drug task force agent if he dose his job like he runs this town.

Police Chief Andy Crocker. Brother to the mayor. Hum I do like him as he reminds me of Andy Taylor. He is laid back very reasonable.

One city worker for the Public Works Department is the farther in-law to the Mayor. Name ? Again Hum. I have ask him a few times if all he did is ride around town all day in the city truck & sit on his ass & do nothing & have been told each time "YES that's all I do" NOT FOR LONG!

Vice Mayor Keith Curlin Who cares?

City Manager Jeff Vowell only to be seen by a appointment ONLY. Come on folks look at this town then to be told only seen by a appointment. LMAOROTF! BTW....... Golf is over!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like a very nice family run business if you ask me. NOT FOR LONG!

Stone Duncan
South Fulton Tn
 

Larrry

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Do you notice the one who shows no compassion for the house burning is a liberal, Guess they been lying all this time about them being the ones with compassion.
 

hypocritexposer

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Larrry said:
Do you notice the one who shows no compassion for the house burning is a liberal, Guess they been lying all this time about them being the ones with compassion.


Would that be the same liberal that believes that taxes on the rich should be raised so those that don't pay any tax can enjoy free Health Care and other entitlements?


jingo2 said:
So if you don't pay....you don't get it. Really, it's easy math.
 

Larrry

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hypocritexposer said:
Larrry said:
Do you notice the one who shows no compassion for the house burning is a liberal, Guess they been lying all this time about them being the ones with compassion.


Would that be the same liberal that believes that taxes on the rich should be raised so those that don't pay any tax can enjoy free Health Care and other entitlements?


jingo2 said:
So if you don't pay....you don't get it. Really, it's easy math.

You nailed them big time on that HYPO
 

Sandhusker

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I hate to say it, but I agree with Jingo. This is a clear-cut case of somebody being offered a service, playing the odds and declining that service, and that decision coming back to bite them in the arse.

Fire depts. have rules on where they can go with the trucks, who can operate them, etc.... That guy's fire was out of city limits and thus not the city dept's. fire - UNLESS they had paid that special subscription, which he had declined to do.

If the dept. had went ahead and put that out, the other people who had paid that fee would be up in arms - they would be wondering why they have been paying when you get fire service anyway. This is a crappy deal, but it comes down to personal responsibilty and living with your decisions.
 

per

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They could of put the fire out and sent them the full bill. That is what would have happened here. No one is denied the service but you will pay in the end and if you don't it is dealt with through the taxation laws.
 

Larrry

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Our fire dept would have put it out. Besides they even have mutual aid agreement. They put it out and if it needs sorted out, they do it later.
 

movin' on

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It pains me greatly also, but I have to agree with Kolo as well. You cannot buy auto insurance after the accident. This was a rural area without a fire district. The city department offered the rural residents fire protection at $75 a year. The family in question, by not paying, said that they were not interested in receiving assistance in the event of a fire.

I'm also fairly certain that if someone won't pay $75 dues, they're not going to pay a large bill after the fact.
 

Larrry

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Was this house outside the district or did they choose not to pay.

The firefighters I know would not set back and let a house burn.

I have seen some awful tightwads come up with fire donations after they were hit with a fire
 
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