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fff

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Why would Republican Senators object? Could it be "not in my back yard"? :D

An idea to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp for war-on-terror detainees and transfer the prisoners to the military prison here — championed for more than a year by Republican presidential hopeful John McCain — has drawn sharp opposition from the base's commander and both of Kansas' U.S. senators.

The opposition is a sign of a split within the GOP over detainee policy in a state that traditionally has voted Republican in presidential elections. Both Kansas senators, Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts, are Republicans.

In a letter to their fellow senators Wednesday, the two pleaded that their state not become home to any prisoners still in U.S. custody when Guantanamo is closed, something both McCain and Democratic hopeful Barrack Obama have pledged to do as president.

"We do not believe it is fair to ask our best corrections officers to disrupt the mission they perform so well in order to take on a detainee mission that will not improve on arrangements at Guantanamo Bay," the senators wrote. "Nor is it fair to ask the Kansas community to assume the responsibility associated with being located immediately adjacent to these detainees."

Their concerns are echoed by Army Lt. Gen. William Caldwell IV, the base commander, who told McClatchy on Monday that while he hadn't been asked his opinion, he had decided on a response: "If you really want to bring them someplace back on the mainland of the United States of America," he said, "you should find some other location. Not here would be my proposal."

Caldwell said the Fort Leavenworth prison, known formally as the Disciplinary Barracks, would require a major revamping if foreigners were to be housed here.

"Our facilities aren't built or equipped to really handle that type of population. There would have to be dramatic changes that would be made here. I mean significantly dramatic changes," Caldwell said.

Caldwell also said holding suspected terrorists in an area that also houses military families would present problems as well.

"We have a huge family population at Fort Leavenworth. I mean it's enormous," he said. "Is that what you want literally a mile away from where you have all these young families?"

What to do about the prisoners held at Guantanamo is all but certain to be one of the thorniest issues McCain or Obama face when one of them assumes the presidency in just seven months. Both Obama and McCain have promised that they would close Guantanamo, which today holds 270 war-on-terror captives.

Obama has offered no suggestion of what specifically he'd do with the people held there, most of whom are not expected to face criminal charges; Pentagon prosecutors have brought charges against 19 and have said they expect 80 eventually to face some kind of criminal charge.

McCain, however, has been specific. "I would close Guantanamo Bay. And I would move those prisoners to Fort Leavenworth," he said in an interview with CBS's 60 Minutes that aired in April 8, 2007. He's used similar words since in interviews with Fox News, CNN, Charlie Rose and at a January campaign appearance in Michigan.

Brownback spokesman Brian Hart said the senator, who was a candidate for the GOP nomination before withdrawing and endorsing McCain, has yet to speak to McCain on the subject. But he plans to as part of his campaign to head off transferring the detainees here. Hart said Brownback met Wednesday with Defense Department officials to argue against the move.

"The limitations of Fort Leavenworth aren't currently well understood outside of Kansas, and Brownback is currently laying out all the relevant facts," Hart said.

In their letter, Brownback and Roberts cited a series of deficiencies that argue against Fort Leavenworth as a prison for suspected terrorists, from insufficient cell space to the inappropriateness of imprisoning foreign captives near American prisoners who are members of the U.S. military.

They also said holding the detainees at the facility would pose the same legal questions and create the same image problems as holding them at Guantanamo, without the security of an isolated base surrounded in part by water. They estimated that moving Guantanamo detainees to Kansas would require 750 additional staff, such as guards and other jail personnel, and noted there is now no place to house them at the base.

Moreover, the senators wrote that Fort Leavenworth has no "24-hour hospital or an emergency room. So after-hours medical emergencies would require moving detainees off-post and through the city of Leavenworth — an unacceptable security risk."

The senators urged members of Congress to visit Fort Leavenworth. "We are confident any visitor wouold conclude that Fort Leasvenworth Disciplinary Barracks is not capable of handling these detainees," they wrote.

McCain has said he'd like to close Guantanamo because its image has hurt the United States' international standing. His campaign's national security advisor, Randy Scheunemann, has said that McCain believes that some of the men could be held and tried by military commission at Fort Leavenworth.

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama also has pledged to close Guantanamo. But he has not said where he might move the men, who include the five alleged 9/11 co-conspirators and other reputed senior al Qaida terrorists.

(Rosenberg, of the Miami Herald, reported from Miami; Youssef from Fort Leavenworth. David Goldstein contributed to this report from Washington)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/42142.html
 

aplusmnt

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Not sure why you find it funny that hundreds of Terrorist may be brought onto U.S. soil. Nobody should want that to happen, senators or citizens. That is why they should be kept over in Cuba!

It is crazy to think such dangerous terrorist will be brought her and have the potential to be freed inside the U.S.

Next thing you crazy liberals will push for is to give them citizenship or green cards once they are freed for lack of evidence in criminal courts.

I doubt soldiers kept and logged evidence in the middle of a fire fight as they took prisoners. Which will leave you far left loonies getting them off and freed to attack us again.

You lefties are so far off on this issue it is scary! And Yea I know McCain is off on it also, but no one ever said he did not have a lefty side to him!

The fact you laugh about it, show just how stupid and far left you really are!
 

CattleArmy

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That would be scary. Of course Kansas can handle aplus and Jigs what's a few terrorists? :wink:



Let's blame it on McCain's age. :?
 

fff

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They should have been left in the country where they were captured or declared POWs. Now Bush has brought them to US soil, tortured them so anything they've said can't be used in court, etc. They've got to go somewhere. I hope it's not the US, but I figured A+ would be happy to have them in his back yard. Think of the jobs that will be created to build a high security facility to keep them and the guard jobs that will be created. :) Looks like a financial boom for Kansas to me. I mean, A+, et all, is/are always saying shame on the liberals for not wanting a refinery in their back yard. Now here he is objecting to a prison in his backyard. :lol: :lol:
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
They should have been left in the country where they were captured or declared POWs. Now Bush has brought them to US soil, tortured them so anything they've said can't be used in court, etc. They've got to go somewhere. I hope it's not the US, but I figured A+ would be happy to have them in his back yard. Think of the jobs that will be created to build a high security facility to keep them and the guard jobs that will be created. :) Looks like a financial boom for Kansas to me. I mean, A+, et all, is/are always saying shame on the liberals for not wanting a refinery in their back yard. Now here he is objecting to a prison in his backyard. :lol: :lol:

They do not have to go anywhere! They are perfectly fine right were they are! But if you Liberals force them to be treated like Burglars and bring them over here. I have no problem with them being in Kansas vs anywhere else. I just do not see a need for them ever to set foot inside any state rather it be Kansas or even Oklahoma.

In reality it be most fitting they were sent to CA or some other bleeding heart Liberal state. But the issue at hand is not rather they come to Kansas it is why they must leave Cuba? There is no logical reason that they must leave there besides a bunch of ignorant people like you!
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
They should have been left in the country where they were captured or declared POWs. Now Bush has brought them to US soil, tortured them so anything they've said can't be used in court, etc. They've got to go somewhere. I hope it's not the US, but I figured A+ would be happy to have them in his back yard. Think of the jobs that will be created to build a high security facility to keep them and the guard jobs that will be created. :) Looks like a financial boom for Kansas to me. I mean, A+, et all, is/are always saying shame on the liberals for not wanting a refinery in their back yard. Now here he is objecting to a prison in his backyard. :lol: :lol:

They do not have to go anywhere! They are perfectly fine right were they are! But if you Liberals force them to be treated like Burglars and bring them over here. I have no problem with them being in Kansas vs anywhere else. I just do not see a need for them ever to set foot inside any state rather it be Kansas or even Oklahoma.

In reality it be most fitting they were sent to CA or some other bleeding heart Liberal state. But the issue at hand is not rather they come to Kansas it is why they must leave Cuba? There is no logical reason that they must leave there besides a bunch of ignorant people like you!
 

per

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Hey Aplus there's an idea. Send them to Canada. They will be free in a week and could move to Kansas without you having to spend a dime building a facility to hold them. :wink:
 

don

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a+: But the issue at hand is not rather they come to Kansas it is why they must leave Cuba? There is no logical reason that they must leave there besides a bunch of ignorant people like you!

if the united states wants to detain them why shouldn't they be on american soil? or is it easier to ignore the abuses if they're not in your backyard?
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
They do not have to go anywhere! They are perfectly fine right were they are! But if you Liberals force them to be treated like Burglars and bring them over here. I have no problem with them being in Kansas vs anywhere else. I just do not see a need for them ever to set foot inside any state rather it be Kansas or even Oklahoma.

In reality it be most fitting they were sent to CA or some other bleeding heart Liberal state. But the issue at hand is not rather they come to Kansas it is why they must leave Cuba? There is no logical reason that they must leave there besides a bunch of ignorant people like you!

We "Liberals" didn't force anything. The Supreme Court of the United States made the ruling! It's a ruling that you don't like so they're a bunch of Liberals. But when they ruled about gun ownership in DC, they were great. :lol: :lol:

It's your Republican candidate for president, John McCain, straight talker, who's saying send them to Kansas. Be sure and remember that when you vote in November. Don't expect the rest of world to clean up behind your Republican President George W. Bush and pretend his poop doesn't stink. He's responsible for those guys being on US soil.
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
aplusmnt said:
They do not have to go anywhere! They are perfectly fine right were they are! But if you Liberals force them to be treated like Burglars and bring them over here. I have no problem with them being in Kansas vs anywhere else. I just do not see a need for them ever to set foot inside any state rather it be Kansas or even Oklahoma.

In reality it be most fitting they were sent to CA or some other bleeding heart Liberal state. But the issue at hand is not rather they come to Kansas it is why they must leave Cuba? There is no logical reason that they must leave there besides a bunch of ignorant people like you!

We "Liberals" didn't force anything. The Supreme Court of the United States made the ruling! It's a ruling that you don't like so they're a bunch of Liberals. But when they ruled about gun ownership in DC, they were great. :lol: :lol:

It's your Republican candidate for president, John McCain, straight talker, who's saying send them to Kansas. Be sure and remember that when you vote in November. Don't expect the rest of world to clean up behind your Republican President George W. Bush and pretend his poop doesn't stink. He's responsible for those guys being on US soil.

Who filed the the case? Or did the Supreme court just read in the paper one day that there was prisoners in Cuba and decide to make a case of it? Liberals looking for rights for terrorist put the case before the Supreme Court.

And yes I like some Supreme court rulings the ones that they uphold the constitution and dislike those that they try to rewrite it.

Lets get something straight, this should not be that hard for you to understand if you will shut up and listen. McCain is not my candidate, I do not bleed party line like you. I look at the issues. I have more things I dislike about McCain than I have that I like about him. It is just that you far left loons keep giving us far left loon Democrats to vote for. If you would have picked say someone like Lieberman I would vote Democrat this year instead of for McCain, I would love to see a Democrat win the Presidency, just not a far left loon like Obama. I think the conservatives need to be woke up and a Democrat President would help do that.
 

aplusmnt

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don said:
if the united states wants to detain them why shouldn't they be on american soil? or is it easier to ignore the abuses if they're not in your backyard?

Either way you look at it Cuba is just fine for them to be at. First the Supreme court says that is American soil so I guess your argument is mute, by this ruling they are already on U.S. soil. No reason to bring them over to the states.

Why bring them from one U.S. prison set up to handle them to another that is not? Does not make sense.
 

nonothing

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I saw this thread and I thought."How can there be a thread about Aplus and not one word from me" then I realized that Mrs Greg had not written.then I noticed Kolo had not leaft a thing either....So i figured I best get in here and make sure Aplus does not forget about us...and it would not be right if I just came in and never stired the pot .so I will say this......Even though I never read any post that were longer then two sentences.......I know one thing......Aplus your wrong and canada had nothing to do with it,and your medicare sucks. :wink: .....ok i feel better :p .....have a good day Aplus.. :D
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
don said:
if the united states wants to detain them why shouldn't they be on american soil? or is it easier to ignore the abuses if they're not in your backyard?

Either way you look at it Cuba is just find for them to be at. First the Supreme court says that is American soil so I guess your argument is mute, by this ruling they are already on U.S. soil. No reason to bring them over to the states.

Why bring them from one U.S. prison set up to handle them to another that is not? Does not make sense.

Guantanamo Bay is not a US prison. It's a detainment facility. You can't hold someone forever in a detainment facility. Sooner or later, according to the Supreme Court, you have to try them and either let them go or send them to jail.
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
Who filed the the case? Or did the Supreme court just read in the paper one day that there was prisoners in Cuba and decide to make a case of it? Liberals looking for rights for terrorist put the case before the Supreme Court.

Several cases have been filed, various courts have ruled in the favor of prisoner's petitions and now the Supreme Court has made a decision. These people are not "terrorists". They are ACCUSED terrorists. In this country, we're innocent until proven guilty. I know it's hard for a Bush supporter like you, but just because King George says something doesn't make it the truth or the law.

And yes I like some Supreme court rulings the ones that they uphold the constitution and dislike those that they try to rewrite it.

Hypocrite. First it's a "liberal" court, then it's not. Same court, same judges.

Lets get something straight, this should not be that hard for you to understand if you will shut up and listen. McCain is not my candidate, I do not bleed party line like you. I look at the issues. I have more things I dislike about McCain than I have that I like about him. It is just that you far left loons keep giving us far left loon Democrats to vote for. If you would have picked say someone like Lieberman I would vote Democrat this year instead of for McCain, I would love to see a Democrat win the Presidency, just not a far left loon like Obama. I think the conservatives need to be woke up and a Democrat President would help do that.

"Something straight"? :D Tell me: what Democratic candidate will you vote for this election?
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
Guantanamo Bay is not a US prison. It's a detainment facility. You can't hold someone forever in a detainment facility. Sooner or later, according to the Supreme Court, you have to try them and either let them go or send them to jail.

It has fences and Holding cells, it will do just fine no matter what you want to call it. Heck they even have a yard to play soccer in. They will be just fine there, no reason to bring them to the States. Even if you libs are worried so much about their rights, just send a Judge and Jury over there.

Were will you ever find a Jury of their peers? You going to give immunity to some Al Qaeda members to come sit in as jurors? :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
I saw this thread and I thought."How can there be a thread about Aplus and not one word from me" then I realized that Mrs Greg had not written.then I noticed Kolo had not leaft a thing either....So i figured I best get in here and make sure Aplus does not forget about us...and it would not be right if I just came in and never stired the pot .so I will say this......Even though I never read any post that were longer then two sentences.......I know one thing......Aplus your wrong and canada had nothing to do with it,and your medicare sucks. :wink: .....ok i feel better :p .....have a good day Aplus.. :D

I am sure it is Canada's fault some how! :wink: :lol:
 
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