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Hey Montana, what's the status of that gun bill?

Ben H

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What's the status of that House Resolution you guys passed? Last I heard the ATF sent a letter that it didn't mean anything, I don't think it would have passed if you weren't prepared to tell them to shove it.
 

Lonecowboy

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my understanding is that the law is there just waiting for a manufacturer to produce a gun stamped "made in MT" to test it out.
nothing can or will be done until someone tests it out.
then the ball is in the feds court ( pardon the pun) to see their reaction.
 

Ben H

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So is the state willing to stand behind a manufacturer or are the manufacturers afraid they'll be left hanging?
 

Steve

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During our start up phase we are beginning to manufacture ammunition for handguns and will soon generate rifle ammunition.

Currently we are able to produce 380 caliber auto, 9mm luger, 40 caliber S&W, and 45 auto. We will be adding 357, 38 caliber and 38 special soon. For rifle ammo, we will be gearing up to produce 243, 30-30, 3006, 308, 7mm and 270 calibers.

Our pricing will be reasonable, yet competitive. Our products will be packaged as: handgun- 50 rounds; rifle- 20 rounds.
http://www.madeinmontanausa.com/prod.asp?Type=Detail&RecordID=1435
 
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Anonymous

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Interestingly I'll bet 95% of the folks in Montana don't even know that went into effect on Thursday-- but everyone knows about- and are talking about-either pro or con- the new smoking law that makes all business's- including restaurants, bars, and casinos "no smoking"......
 

Ben H

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I lived in NY when they passed one of those smoking laws, then they passed it here. It started out as OK, I didn't enjoy going into a bar and leaving smelling like smoke. Then the push continued, no smoking within x amount of feet of a building entrance, no smoking in a car with a child in it. Then this summer, no smoking in state parks. Those kind of laws will be on the way in the next few years for you.

Back to the guns, God bless Montana for getting this movement going. The guns are just a tiny part of the big picture, that's what people need to wake up to, this is about reversing the push of federal control by leaning on the commerce clause.

From that article LoneCowboy mentioned:


In a statement the SAF said, "The primary purpose of the MFFA is to set up a legal challenge to federal power under the commerce clause."

The lawsuit seeks a "declaratory judgment" and is "brought for the purpose of determining a question of actual controversy between the parties."

"Passage of the MFFA was an express exercise by the State of Montana of powers reserved to the states and to the people under the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution," the lawsuit said.

"The MFFA is also authorized under the conditions of the compact with the United States that Montana entered upon admission to the union. The United States Congress therefore has no authority, under the limited powers granted to it by the United States Constitution, to preempt the MFFA."

The arguments continued, "Under the 10th Amendment, all regulatory authority of all such activities within Montana's political borders is left in the sole discretion of Montana. Federal law therefore does not preempt the MFFA and cannot be invoked to regulate or prosecute Montana citizens acting in compliance with the MFFA, so long as they do so solely within the political borders of Montana.
 
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Anonymous

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Ben H said:
I lived in NY when they passed one of those smoking laws, then they passed it here. It started out as OK, I didn't enjoy going into a bar and leaving smelling like smoke. Then the push continued, no smoking within x amount of feet of a building entrance, no smoking in a car with a child in it. Then this summer, no smoking in state parks. Those kind of laws will be on the way in the next few years for you.

Back to the guns, God bless Montana for getting this movement going. The guns are just a tiny part of the big picture, that's what people need to wake up to, this is about reversing the push of federal control by leaning on the commerce clause.

From that article LoneCowboy mentioned:


In a statement the SAF said, "The primary purpose of the MFFA is to set up a legal challenge to federal power under the commerce clause."

The lawsuit seeks a "declaratory judgment" and is "brought for the purpose of determining a question of actual controversy between the parties."

"Passage of the MFFA was an express exercise by the State of Montana of powers reserved to the states and to the people under the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution," the lawsuit said.

"The MFFA is also authorized under the conditions of the compact with the United States that Montana entered upon admission to the union. The United States Congress therefore has no authority, under the limited powers granted to it by the United States Constitution, to preempt the MFFA."

The arguments continued, "Under the 10th Amendment, all regulatory authority of all such activities within Montana's political borders is left in the sole discretion of Montana. Federal law therefore does not preempt the MFFA and cannot be invoked to regulate or prosecute Montana citizens acting in compliance with the MFFA, so long as they do so solely within the political borders of Montana.


no smoking in a car with a child in it.



Ben my wife has had COPD for 5 years. The Doctor's have said it was highly likely from second hand smoke. She has never smoked yet as a child her whole family were chain smokers.

It is a crying shame that it takes laws to do what common sense should control.
Since many smoking bans have been imposed around the country. Deaths from heart attacks and the rate of heart attacks has decreased by huge numbers.

I for one would like to smack some of the people you run across daily . Like the ones with a car full of kids windows rolled up and covered with years of nicotine and two adults puffing away. :x
 

Ben H

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I'm not a smoker, never had been. I just think they have gotten a little carried away, not so much with the kids in the car one, that I can see. The one in State parks was a little over the top. Let's try not to get too far off topic though.
 
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