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hey oldtimer what about this??

hopalong

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and you said ammo us readily available?????? another LIE?
Page 8: Demand has Bitterroot ammo business expanding

Posted: June 6, 2009 11:46 AM MST

Updated: June 22, 2009 08:14 AM MST







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Page 8: Demand has Bitterroot ammo business expanding

Posted: June 6, 2009 11:46 AM MST

Updated: June 22, 2009 08:14 AM MST






Reporting from KPAX in Missoula


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While many businesses are just scraping by in these tough economic times, one company in the Bitterroot Valley is booming.

You can hear the activity before you see it, and once inside Bitterroot Valley Ammunition and Component Sales, you become swallowed up in it. It's noisy at all three of the plants, which are all under the supervision of company president Darren Newsom, and all located in the Bitterroot Valley.

B-VAC is a master distributor for ATK which is the world's largest ammunition business and it manufactures 300,000 bullets a day. They produce ammo in 122 different calibers, and supply bullet components like brass casings, powder and primers to 1,000 dealers.

"Building 300,000 parts of any types of manufacturing every day, just to replenish components every day is a full-time job" Newsom explained.

He learned the trade working 20 years for another ammo business in the Bitterroot, but wanted more, so he opened B-VAC in January of 2008. "I tried to purchase the business I worked for, but it wasn't available so that prompted me to open my own."

His employees operate as efficiently as the high tech machines they operate, which Newsom says is the key to the company's success.

One of the more interesting operations is in a room hidden from the rest of the workers, where cement mixers full of crushed walnut shells polish bullets, much like water and detergent clean clothes in a washing machine.

While the Bitterroot Valley may not be too well-known outside Montana, the demand for ammo put this small company on the national and international map, Newsom, a Stevensville High School grad told us that it's all about making a good, quality product...and doing it in the place he considers the best on earth.

"To work hard for 20 years and at the end own my own business and still be here in the valley makes me feel good."

Due to the national shortage of ammunition, business is booming for B-VAC and to compensate for six to nine months in back-orders piling up, Newsom is building a larger plant in Stevensville. The new facility will double the size of his workforce to about 100.


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(from June 6, 2009)

A business in the Bitterroot Valley is bucking the trend of just scraping by during these tough economic times and is thriving while struggling to quench a nationwide ammunition shortage.

At Bitterroot Valley Ammunition and Components (BVAC), it's all hands on deck and full speed ahead, with no end in sight. "It's a seven day a week, 24-hour job right now, just trying to keep up with orders and demand for product and components" explained BVAC President Darren Newsom.

He attributes much of the demand to on-going military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. "As they consumed ammunition over the years, they consumed the stockpiles the military had so it created a shortage on the commercial side."

But Newsom added that politics has also played a big part in the increased demand for ammo. "We saw a big jump on Election Day. People are scared. They're scared for their gun rights, ammunition taxes. There are theories what will happen and it's politically motivated."

That motivates some crazy requests, like a call that Newsom said came in from Texas. "He offered to fly to Missoula, bring a check, buy a load of ammunition and buy the tractor-trailer to go back to Texas". But Newsom declined the offer and told the caller to "call me back in six months".

BVAC's pecking order for supplying ammo is government first, followed by law enforcement, and then commercial business.

"My boss made daily runs to the Bitterroot to get stuff, which helped our sales. We still can't get stuff for reloading" explained Ben Scharenberg who works as the Sportsman's Surplus Assistant Manager in Missoula.

Meanwhile, at BVAC, the work continues at a hectic, yet controlled pace, despite the shortage. "Demand is so big right now, it's like a drop in a bucket. I'd like to fill it all, but it's impossible to do right now" Newsom stated.

BVAC has six to nine months of back orders piled up, so Newsom says he'll open a fourth, larger, shop in Stevensville which will double the size of his workforce.










Reporting from KPAX in Missoula









While many businesses are just scraping by in these tough economic times, one company in the Bitterroot Valley is booming.

You can hear the activity before you see it, and once inside Bitterroot Valley Ammunition and Component Sales, you become swallowed up in it. It's noisy at all three of the plants, which are all under the supervision of company president Darren Newsom, and all located in the Bitterroot Valley.

B-VAC is a master distributor for ATK which is the world's largest ammunition business and it manufactures 300,000 bullets a day. They produce ammo in 122 different calibers, and supply bullet components like brass casings, powder and primers to 1,000 dealers.

"Building 300,000 parts of any types of manufacturing every day, just to replenish components every day is a full-time job" Newsom explained.

He learned the trade working 20 years for another ammo business in the Bitterroot, but wanted more, so he opened B-VAC in January of 2008. "I tried to purchase the business I worked for, but it wasn't available so that prompted me to open my own."

His employees operate as efficiently as the high tech machines they operate, which Newsom says is the key to the company's success.

One of the more interesting operations is in a room hidden from the rest of the workers, where cement mixers full of crushed walnut shells polish bullets, much like water and detergent clean clothes in a washing machine.

While the Bitterroot Valley may not be too well-known outside Montana, the demand for ammo put this small company on the national and international map, Newsom, a Stevensville High School grad told us that it's all about making a good, quality product...and doing it in the place he considers the best on earth.

"To work hard for 20 years and at the end own my own business and still be here in the valley makes me feel good."

Due to the national shortage of ammunition, business is booming for B-VAC and to compensate for six to nine months in back-orders piling up, Newsom is building a larger plant in Stevensville. The new facility will double the size of his workforce to about 100.

yep ammo is good to go in Valley county :wink: :wink:

oldtimer can get all you want!
Contact Richard Britzman Valley coubnty Montana!
lol lol lol
of course do not expect results he is a known liar
:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

EH?
OH VEY??

Any response top another one of your lies oldtimer?????
 
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Anonymous

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The Bitterroot is 500+ miles from me-- and most living there anymore are rightwingernuts or rich ex residents of the Land of Fruits and Nuts...That is the land of the Aryan Nation, Freemen, Militia, Posse Comitatus, and every rightwingernut crazy and racist organization known to man....

My old buddy- while he was Ravalli County Sheriff- smoked one of them when he thought he was above all authority....They have a couple shootouts every year with some wingnut crazy...
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
The Bitterroot is 500+ miles from me-- and most living there anymore are rightwingernuts or rich ex residents of the Land of Fruits and Nuts...That is the land of the Aryan Nation, Freemen, Militia, Posse Comitatus, and every rightwingernut crazy and racist organization known to man....

My old buddy- while he was Ravalli County Sheriff- smoked one of them when he thought he was above all authority....They have a couple shootouts every year with some wingnut crazy...

Makes no difference how far away from you Bitterroot is from you, the largest manufacturer of ammunition in the US is in your state and states there is an ammo shortage thru out the Nation makes your statement you can get all you want a LIE.
The fact your old buddy killed one makes no difference in the fact you are a liar and trying to evade the issiue that you are a liar

when is the last time you actually told the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth without evading the issiue at hand or trying to shift the subject??
Every one knows that if you tried this crap in a court of law you would be held in contempt.
 

Sandhusker

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OT, if you've got an abundance of ammo and there is a 9 month backlog just 500 miles away, somebody is missing a huge opportunity.....
 
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Anonymous

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Like I said- no shortage here...And those Bitterroot folks making the ammo wouldn't stand to profit by spurring on this shortage story to fearmonger more to these rightwingernut crazies into buying more-- NAH- they wouldn't do that... :???:
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Like I said- no shortage here...And those Bitterroot folks making the ammo wouldn't stand to profit by spurring on this shortage story to fearmonger more to these rightwingernut crazies into buying more-- NAH- they wouldn't do that... :???:

Must be a conspiracy between them and Hornaday, Speer, Remmington, etc.... They must have the media involved, too, as they are reporting skyrocketing sales of ammunition.

I don't understand it, but from the looks of things, you would think that we just put a bunch of moonbat anti-gun nuts into power or something......
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Like I said- no shortage here...And those Bitterroot folks making the ammo wouldn't stand to profit by spurring on this shortage story to fearmonger more to these rightwingernut crazies into buying more-- NAH- they wouldn't do that... :???:

Must be a conspiracy between them and Hornaday, Speer, Remmington, etc.... They must have the media involved, too, as they are reporting skyrocketing sales of ammunition.

I don't understand it, but from the looks of things, you would think that we just put a bunch of moonbat anti-gun nuts into power or something......

Yep--and the already paranoid rightwingernut crazies are being stirred to their full paranoia by their fearmongers and hatemonger leadership-and their organizations that live/profit by that- and stepping right in goosestep....

Read articles where some of the most nutty 'Bubbas" are maxing out 2-3 credit cards- cashing in all their savings-buying guns and ammo..

Just think of all the cheap ammo and guns that will be available in a couple years....
 

Sandhusker

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You don't think gun/ammunition sales have anything to do with Obama's voting that states/municipalities can overrule the second amendment? His vote to ban the possession, sale, and even manufacturing of handguns? His vote to ban "assault :roll: " weapons? His vote to limit gun purchases to 1 a month? His vote against prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers who's products were misused by criminals? His vote to ban all semi-auto weapons? His vote to ban "armor piercing :roll: " ammunition? His stance that the DC gun ban was constitutional (turned out he was wrong)?

None of this radical moonbat nonsense by the man who is now the acting president has any bearing on gun/ammunitions sales? People are just paranoid?
 

hypocritexposer

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How can a small group, one that is dying off, be responsible for record sales?

I suppose OT, you think it is only Republicans buying ammo and guns.

There seems to be an "immediacy" concern at work. No wonder, everything with this administration is rush, rush , rush.

Change! Did anyone stop to ask what are we changing and how fast?
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
You don't think gun/ammunition sales have anything to do with Obama's voting that states/municipalities can overrule the second amendment? His vote to ban the possession, sale, and even manufacturing of handguns? His vote to ban "assault :roll: " weapons? His vote to limit gun purchases to 1 a month? His vote against prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers who's products were misused by criminals? His vote to ban all semi-auto weapons? His vote to ban "armor piercing :roll: " ammunition? His stance that the DC gun ban was constitutional (turned out he was wrong)?

None of this radical moonbat nonsense by the man who is now the acting president has any bearing on gun/ammunitions sales? People are just paranoid?

Sandy, did you forget obama's order to the DOD to stop selling fired military brass for reloading.
And the small arms treaty with mexico, which would ban reloading by US citizens.
That might have sparked some of the "misguided paranoia" also!

Just for the record, I live around 100 miles south of OT, reloading supplies are very hard to come by, certain caliber ammunition is too.
the last gun show here had almost no ammo for sale.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
You don't think gun/ammunition sales have anything to do with Obama's voting that states/municipalities can overrule the second amendment? His vote to ban the possession, sale, and even manufacturing of handguns? His vote to ban "assault :roll: " weapons? His vote to limit gun purchases to 1 a month? His vote against prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers who's products were misused by criminals? His vote to ban all semi-auto weapons? His vote to ban "armor piercing :roll: " ammunition? His stance that the DC gun ban was constitutional (turned out he was wrong)?

None of this radical moonbat nonsense by the man who is now the acting president has any bearing on gun/ammunitions sales? People are just paranoid?

Oh- I believe it is because of Obama being elected-- and all the fearmongering of the rightwingernuts "spokesmen" and shock jocks that profiteer off getting all the 'Bubba's' peeing their pants with their fearmongering and hatemongering...NRA has called me 50 times wanting money- or wanting me to rejoin....They are flying high on the Bubba paranoid crazies....

But unlike you I don't walk around dribbling in my shorts or all puckered up in fear- as I doubt little or no gun control legislation affecting me will pass the current Congress-- not with the makeup of the Blue Dog Dems in the Senate...

Even the assault weapon ban- which wouldn't bother me if it did go into affect- I don't think stands a chance of passage...My own Dem Senators have said- it or nothing else affecting the 2nd Amendment will pass....
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
OT, what about an international treaty, that seems to trump your congressional or state laws?

Please don't dull the "tip of the spear"

International treaties have to be ratified by a 2/3 majority of the Senate...
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
You don't think gun/ammunition sales have anything to do with Obama's voting that states/municipalities can overrule the second amendment? His vote to ban the possession, sale, and even manufacturing of handguns? His vote to ban "assault :roll: " weapons? His vote to limit gun purchases to 1 a month? His vote against prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers who's products were misused by criminals? His vote to ban all semi-auto weapons? His vote to ban "armor piercing :roll: " ammunition? His stance that the DC gun ban was constitutional (turned out he was wrong)?

None of this radical moonbat nonsense by the man who is now the acting president has any bearing on gun/ammunitions sales? People are just paranoid?

Oh- I believe it is because of Obama being elected-- and all the fearmongering of the rightwingernuts "spokesmen" and shock jocks that profiteer off getting all the 'Bubba's' peeing their pants with their fearmongering and hatemongering...NRA has called me 50 times wanting money- or wanting me to rejoin....They are flying high on the Bubba paranoid crazies....

But unlike you I don't walk around dribbling in my shorts or all puckered up in fear- as I doubt little or no gun control legislation affecting me will pass the current Congress-- not with the makeup of the Blue Dog Dems in the Senate...

Even the assault weapon ban- which wouldn't bother me if it did go into affect- I don't think stands a chance of passage...My own Dem Senators have said- it or nothing else affecting the 2nd Amendment will pass....

Maybe a lot of people don't need a spokesman, a poll, or a celebrity opinion to reach a conclusion. Maybe they can read the writing on the wall and realize that the man is obviously a radical anti-gun nut who takes positions on guns based on emotion and not fact. In short, he's a moron with power, and you don't take chances with morons.
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
OT, what about an international treaty, that seems to trump your congressional or state laws?

Please don't dull the "tip of the spear"

International treaties have to be ratified by a 2/3 majority of the Senate...

You should check to see what Obama signed back at the G20 meeting then.

Maybe I used the wrong term. "international treaty" how about international agreement?

The G20 nations will inject $1 trillion into the world economy in an effort to curb the global financial crisis, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced Thursday as the group's summit concluded.

The 226 to 202 vote came after Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner had called some reluctant Democrats during the day imploring them to back the bill, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had strongly pressed her colleagues in a closed-door meeting to vote for the bill in a show of support for Obama, even if they oppose his strategy for increasing troops in Afghanistan. In the end, 221 Democrats voted for the bill, while 32 opposed it.

All but five Republicans opposed the bill after the White House inserted money to fund a line of credit for the International Monetary Fund, which the GOP said amounted to a "global bailout."
 
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I've listened to both Obama and his AG explain their belief in the Supreme Courts Heller decision-that it protects an individual right to possess a firearm (unconnected with service in a militia)- and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense.... And that it historically still gives Congress and government entities the right to keep and regulate some firearms/ammo- and where and who may possess them.. Same as I do....
Scalia:
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
I've listened to both Obama and his AG explain their belief in the Supreme Courts Heller decision-that it protects an individual right to possess a firearm (unconnected with service in a militia)- and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense.... And that it historically still gives Congress and government entities the right to keep and regulate some firearms/ammo- and where and who may possess them.. Same as I do....
Scalia:
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

Sure they support the right to possess a firearm, as long as you're not in any region that has banned guns, as long as it isn't an "assault rifle", a semi-auto, a handgun, or anything that shoots bullets capable of penetrating a leather jacket. Come on, OT....
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
I've listened to both Obama and his AG explain their belief in the Supreme Courts Heller decision-that it protects an individual right to possess a firearm (unconnected with service in a militia)- and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense.... And that it historically still gives Congress and government entities the right to keep and regulate some firearms/ammo- and where and who may possess them.. Same as I do....
Scalia:
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

Sure they support the right to possess a firearm, as long as you're not in any region that has banned guns, as long as it isn't an "assault rifle", a semi-auto, a handgun, or anything that shoots bullets capable of penetrating a leather jacket. Come on, OT....


Show me that law...When did it pass? Or are you fearmongering again..

No matter how bad she scares you- Pelosi doesn't run the Dem party....
 
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