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Texan

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Wonder what he was doing in the general population wilth illegal immigrants? :mad:

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Ex-Border Patrol Agent in Prison for Shooting Mexican Drug Runner Assaulted by Inmates

Tuesday , February 06, 2007
By Liza Porteus


One of two former Border Patrol agents sentenced to more than a decade in prison for shooting and wounding a suspected Mexican drug smuggler was beaten by a group of inmates last weekend, a Texas congressman confirmed Tuesday to FOXNews.com.

Ignacio Ramos, who was transferred to the Yazoo City Federal Correctional Complex in Mississippi last month to begin serving his 12-year sentence for the February 2005 shooting of Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, was placed in a special housing unit after the incident pending an investigation, according to T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council.

"We received verbal confirmation from the prison folks that he was assaulted and went to the infirmary and was treated for injuries," Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, told FOXNews.com, adding that he has requested a written report of the incident.

Another agent, Jose Compean, is serving 11 years in another facility for the same border shooting.

Prison authorities, in a statement issued Monday, said that Ramos reported to the staff on Saturday around 10:15 p.m. ET that he was assaulted and that he sustained some 'minor' bruises and abrasions, Bonner said.

Some members of Ramos' family claim the assault happened after the airing of an "America's Most Wanted" segment featuring both Ramos and Compean. They say the attack happened after Ramos fell asleep.

"Nacho was assaulted Saturday night by about five illegal immigrants who were yelling at him in Spanish, 'Maten a la migra' — which means 'kill the Border Patrol agent,'" one family member said, according to Grassfire.org, a group that has petitioned President Bush to pardon the two agents and has been working with the agents' families.

Grassfire.org and Ramos' family dispute the prison report saying he suffered minor injuries. Grassfire.org in a press release says Ramos suffered "multiple and severe injuries." The release also said that a family member claims Ramos' attackers beat him with repeated blows and kicks and that he suffered wounds to his back, shoulder, arms and head. There also is concern from Ramos' family that he was not given medical treatment immediately after the incident and may not have received medical attention for up to 48 hours, the group said.

"Our government has betrayed these agents," said Grassfire president Steve Elliott. "And now they have put these men in mortal danger. I am frightened for the lives of these two family men. This is beyond outrage, and I am calling on grassroots Americans to express their outrage directly to the White House — demanding the president pardon agents Ramos and Compean before it's too late."

Bonner said Ramos believes that he was assaulted by four or five people and that his injuries are more than 'minor."

"I believe him more than I believe the Department of Justice and its attempt to minimize this," Bonner said. "After all, this is the same Department of Justice that's tried to cover up the facts surrounding the" case, he added.

The two agents' supporters — which include a slew of lawmakers on Capital Hill — claim the Justice Department and prosecutor Johnny Sutton did not appropriately handle the case.

Ramos and Compean were found guilty by a jury of not only shooting Aldrete-Davila, but also of trying to cover up the incident. Supporters say it was wrong for Sutton to go after the border agents and not the drug dealer who was given immunity for testifying against them, and that the Justice Department has been less than forthcoming about certain facts surrounding the case.

The transcripts of the trial have not yet been released by the court.

In response to the reports of the prison assault, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., wrote to President Bush requesting an investigation into the incident. The letter also requested that Bureau of Prisons Director Harley Lappin be discharged from his position if it's discovered that the proper precautions were not taken to protect Ramos.

"Placing these two agents in general population, especially when assuring Congress it would not happen, constitutes an enormous dereliction of duty by the Administration and the Bureau of Prisons," said the Feb. 6 letter to Bush. "The families of agents Compean and Ramos deserve an immediate response. Further, please ensure that segregation from general population occurs immediately."

On Jan. 17, Hunter requested that both agents be put in isolation for their own safety. He and others were concerned that if jailed with many of the illegal immigrants and drug runners they helped put away, the safety and well-being of Ramos and Compean would be threatened.

"The assault against agent Ramos clearly demonstrates the severe risk involved with incorporating Border Patrol agents into general prison populations," Hunter said in a statement Tuesday. "An overwhelming number of federal inmates are non U.S. citizens who have been apprehended by the Border Patrol. The danger to agents Compean and Ramos was immediately apparent and the attack against agent Ramos could have been prevented."

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said he spoke to several of Ramos' family members Monday night. The Ramos family wasn't aware of the situation until late Monday, when they called him to wish him well on his 38th birthday. Ramos told his family that he was attacked by five men who beat him severely for being a former law enforcement agent.

Tancredo said one of the assailants has been identified by Ramos and is now being charged with assault.

"The administration has for too long turned their back on law enforcement and left them to fend for themselves," Tancredo said. "These men have been the victims of what the Bush administration’s border enforcement policy has always been. Mr. President, pardon these men now."

Bonner said Ramos likely asked to be put in general population because when in isolation, inmates are only allowed one phone call a month. Isolated prisoners also normally are in lockdown for 23 hours a day and only allowed out for one hour.

"Why they couldn't bend that rule given the fact they have law enforcement agent in custody … you kind of go stir crazy" in isolation, Bonner said.

"I don't blame him [Ramos], I blame the folks in charge for not being reasonable about that. One phone call a month sounds like punishment to me for someone who's been acting up. But here's a guy you're putting in isolation because you need to protect him."

Poe agreed, saying that it's Ramos' choice whether he wants to be put in isolation or general population, but wherever he is, it's the job of the federal government and the prison to ensure his safety.

"It's just another example that the federal government doesn't protect Border Patrol agents on the border and doesn't protect them in prison," Poe said.

"The prison authorities, especially the federal prison system, are experts at protecting inmates from harm from other inmates ... they've been doing this for years. Why aren't they protecting Ramos?"

Poe, who said he speaks to the wives of Compean and Ramos regularly, said Compean is in isolation. According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Compean is serving his sentence at the Federal Correctional Institution in Elkton, Ohio, a low-security facility housing male offenders.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250574,00.html
 
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Yeah- They did a segment on O'reilly tonite and he's calling for a Federal Investigation of the prison and how they could allow a high risk inmate like this to be placed in the open general public of the prison...Even the risk mobsters get special housing units :roll:
They said that he still has not been allowed to see a doctor or get the X-Rays as a nurse advised- even tho its 2 days later.....

This whole thing stinks more every day-- from the BP, to Homeland Security, to the US Attorney who did nothing to the other 9 BP officers, to the Whitehouse....Stinks to high heaven....

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INVASION USA
Border Patrol supervisors implicated by agency memo
DHS document says none of 9 officers present officially reported incident


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Posted: February 6, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A Department of Homeland Security internal memo discloses seven Border Patrol agents and two supervisors were at the scene of the shooting for which officers Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are imprisoned.

The previously unpublished report's indication that supervisors were on the scene could explain why Ramos and Compean did not file a report of the Feb. 17, 2005, shooting incident on the Texas border with Mexico, about 40 miles east of El Paso. Moreover, the DHS document says all who were on location, including the supervisors, were "as guilty as those who committed the offense" because of their failure to report misconduct.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54103







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INVASION USA
Government admits lying about jailed border agents
Inspector confronted on Capitol Hill, says promised 'proof' does not exist


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Posted: February 6, 2007
8:06 p.m. Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


A Department of Homeland Security official admitted today the agency misled Congress when it contended it possessed investigative reports proving Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean confessed guilt and declared they "wanted to shoot some Mexicans" prior to the incident that led to their imprisonment.

The admission came during the testimony of DHS Inspector General Richard L. Skinner before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, according to Michael Green, press secretary for Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas.

Culberson was questioning Skinner about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant.


WND previously reported that at that meeting the DHS Inspector General's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean:


confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect;

stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting;

stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican";

were belligerent to investigators;

destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.
Under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up the claims: "The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied.

This prompted a startled and angry response from the congressman.

"You lied to me and you lied to all of us," Culberson charged. "Your office tried to paint a picture of Ramos and Compean as dirty cops, and now you come before this committee and tell us you never had the information to back up those claims."

Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month after their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler who was granted immunity to testify against them.

Responding to Skinner's testimony yesterday, Poe said it "explains why DHS has been stonewalling Congress."

"DHS didn't turn over the reports to us to back up their September 26 accusations for one simple reason – the reports never existed," the Texas congressman said.


"Why did it take DHS four months to admit their error?" he asked. "I wonder how much more has DHS told the public and Congress about Ramos and Compean that simply isn't true?"

Poe said he's determined to get to the bottom of DHS's claim.

"I expect this new revelation will lead to a lot more questions before we're done," he said.

Andy Ramirez, who has been involved with the case as chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol, told WND the DHS's actions "represent obstruction of justice, and they should be held in contempt of Congress, and, if possible, prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

"This admission today is yet more proof of how they are willing to distort the facts, as I have charged all along, in order to ensure a conviction," he said.



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54132
 

Faster horses

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Let's do our part on this and let the White House know that we WILL
NOT stand for this.

I will make the call tomorrow. I thought this whole thing was a
DISGRACE right from the start.

If we don't care enough to do something, WHO DOES?

It's past time to step up...
 

kolanuraven

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One of those poor guys got beat up in the GP of the prison!!!

Why won't the Prez, Atty General...somebody pay attention to this?


These guys were doing their job, and a fine job of it, the wham!!! NOT FAIR BY ANY MEASURE!!!!

I wonder if the ' bad guy' was somehow connected to the Mex. Gov't??? Could be, ya never know 'bout these things??
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
One of those poor guys got beat up in the GP of the prison!!!

Why won't the Prez, Atty General...somebody pay attention to this?


These guys were doing their job, and a fine job of it, the wham!!! NOT FAIR BY ANY MEASURE!!!!

I wonder if the ' bad guy' was somehow connected to the Mex. Gov't??? Could be, ya never know 'bout these things??

Look at Bush's relationship with Mexico and all his plans with Mexico. He doesn't want to make them mad. He'll sacrifice two innocent US citizens for his plans. I'd like to run a habenero enchilada up his......
 
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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
One of those poor guys got beat up in the GP of the prison!!!

Why won't the Prez, Atty General...somebody pay attention to this?


These guys were doing their job, and a fine job of it, the wham!!! NOT FAIR BY ANY MEASURE!!!!

I wonder if the ' bad guy' was somehow connected to the Mex. Gov't??? Could be, ya never know 'bout these things??

Look at Bush's relationship with Mexico and all his plans with Mexico. He doesn't want to make them mad. He'll sacrifice two innocent US citizens for his plans. I'd like to run a habenero enchilada up his......

AMEN-- And as stinky as this Administration is beginning to look like everywhere---it appears these BP folks got too close to a smuggling operation that the powers that are don't want to see shut down... :roll: :mad:

Money corrupts-- and Big money corrupts Big.......
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
---it appears these BP folks got too close to a smuggling operation that the powers that are don't want to see shut down... :roll: :mad:
Maybe it was the Bush family weed pipeline. Yeah, I bet that's it. I bet that smuggler really worked for Bush bringing weed in from Mexico. Those two Border Patrol agents, who were convicted by a jury of their peers (never mind that part), stumbled into it. They shot Bush's man in the butt, Bush lost his smoke, so he gets really irate...

Bush puts pressure on the U.S. Attorney to prosecute them, paid off all of the jurors to convict them, and then twisted somebody's tail to get them thrown into a federal prison where some more wetbacks in the Bush gang could do away with them. Yep...Bush did it. :lol:
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
---it appears these BP folks got too close to a smuggling operation that the powers that are don't want to see shut down... :roll: :mad:
Maybe it was the Bush family weed pipeline. Yeah, I bet that's it. I bet that smuggler really worked for Bush bringing weed in from Mexico. Those two Border Patrol agents, who were convicted by a jury of their peers (never mind that part), stumbled into it. They shot Bush's man in the butt, Bush lost his smoke, so he gets really irate...

Bush puts pressure on the U.S. Attorney to prosecute them, paid off all of the jurors to convict them, and then twisted somebody's tail to get them thrown into a federal prison where some more wetbacks in the Bush gang could do away with them. Yep...Bush did it. :lol:

I think you give GW too much credit...I don't think he is involved in the cartels... Bush knows only what his advisors tell him is happening (or as it appears what they want him to think is happening) and does what his advisors tell him to do- and with some of the crew he's surrounded himself with over the past 6 years they could/would do anything to protect their illicit money pit...2 peoples lives would be a tiny payment/cost to keep Mr. Fox's cartel satisfied...

Did you ever read the book that tracked the Noriega drug money thru our/ and foreign government agents? Several of the Jimmy Carter administration retired to an island set up quite well off their dealings....
 
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INVASION USA
Officials urged to resign for lie about border agents
Congressman calls for ouster of DHS deputies after IG admits agency gave false information--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: February 7, 2007
3:55 p.m. Eastern



© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas
A Republican congressman is calling for the resignation of Department of Homeland Security officials who he says lied about the case of two Border Patrol agents imprisoned for their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler.

As WND reported, at a congressional hearing yesterday, Rep. John Culberson of Texas confronted DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner about his agency's claim it had documentary proof of the guilt of former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.

"Richard Skinner admitted yesterday under oath that his top deputies gave members of Congress false information painting Border Patrol agents as rogue cops who were not in fear for their lives and who were 'out to shoot Mexicans,'" Culberson said in a statement.

Culberson said he believes false information was given to congressmen to "throw us off the scent and cover up what appears to be an unjust criminal prosecution of two U.S. law enforcement officers whose job was protecting our country's borders from criminals and terrorists."


The admission came during Skinner's testimony before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee. Culberson was asking questions about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant.

WND previously reported that at that meeting Skinner's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean:


confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect;

stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting;

stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican";

were belligerent to investigators;

destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.
Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month of 11 and 12 years respectively.

Yesterday, under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up its claims.

"The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied.

This prompted a startled and angry response from Culberson, who charged Skinner's office with lying to the Texas congressmen and painting Ramos and Compean as dirty cops.

In his statement today, Culberson accused the DHS of leaving U.S. borders "largely undefended" and deploying National Guard troops "whose 'standard operating procedure' is 'to retreat' when confronted with armed criminals."

The "unjust" prosecution of Ramos and Compean, he said, "weakens border security by discouraging all U.S. law enforcement officers from drawing their weapons in self-defense or in the defense of our nation."

"Our highest priority in the war on terror is to secure our borders," Culberson said. "These two agents need to be pardoned and we need to reassure our brave Border Patrol agents and law enforcement officers that we support them and want them to feel free to use their best judgment and whatever force they think is necessary to protect America."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54142
 
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Imprisoned border agent did report shooting
DHS memo shows Compean spoke to supervisor immediately after incident

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Posted: February 7, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

WND has obtained a Department of Homeland Security memo indicating Border Patrol agent Jose Compean made a complete, in-person verbal report to his supervisor at the scene immediately following the shooting incident for which he and colleague Ignacio Ramos are now in prison.

The May 15, 2005, report filed by DHS Special Agent Christopher Sanchez documents a conversation between Compean and his supervisor that explains the decision by all nine Border Patrol agents and supervisors on the scene not to file written reports.

As reported by WND yesterday, a DHS memo filed by Sanchez April 12, 2005, shows seven agents and two supervisors were present at the Feb. 17, 2005 incident also decided not to file written reports.

The April 12, 2005, DHS memo stated that all the agents present at the incident were equally guilty for not filing a written report.


These memos directly contradict the repeated statements of the prosecutor, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, that agents Ramos and Compean filed false reports about the incident.

As far as WND can determine, no written reports were filed by any of the Border Patrol agents or supervisors on the field.

Moreover, the record of the May 15, 2005, memo indicates Compean was truthful in reporting verbally to the most senior supervisor present at the incident.

Sanchez's memo of May 15, 2005, is a transcript of a hearing held by Compean with El Paso Border Patrol Sector Chief Louis Barker. The hearing was held at Compean's request in order to protest his proposed indefinite suspension resulting from his March 18, 2005, arrest on criminal charges.

The first part of the hearing was held April 7, 2005, before Compean's April 13, 2005, indictment. The second recording from the hearing is dated April 28, 2005.

At the administrative hearing, Compean was accompanied by union representative Robert Russell, a vice president of Local 1929, the El Paso branch of the National Border Patrol Council.

In the opening statement transcribed from the April 7, 2005, audio cassette, Russell makes Barker aware that Compean had made a complete report on the scene to Jonathan Richards, the more senior of the two supervisors present at the incident.

Russell's testimony references a wound Compean suffered on his hand, a gash between the thumb and index finger, which he suffered when scuffling in the ditch with the drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, who had abandoned his vehicle and was attempting to escape back to Mexico on foot. Russell points to this wound as evidence of aggravated assault committed on Compean by the drug smuggler.

Here is Russell's recorded testimony:


Well, I mean, the base … the basis of this is basically … ummm … Mr. Compean … an assault took place that day against one of our agents, and he did defend himself, and the part of the assault is never mentioned in the complaint or anywhere by OIG (Office of Inspector General) that they know clearly how this did take place.
A few sentences later, Russell again references that what transpired at the scene was observed by the agents and supervisors in the field and subsequently fully known to the Border Patrol management at the station in Fabens, Texas.

Russell indicates that management at Fabens themselves chose not to make a report about Compean's injury. Here is his testimony:


Even management at the station in Fabens was fully aware of what had transpired and for whatever reason nothing was ever generated … and once all this comes forward, I mean, it's my belief even his attorneys' belief that even once that does come forward and all that information is presented that the charges will possibly be dropped … or dismissed … or he will be found not guilty … based on that … what did transpire.
Directly contradicting prosecutor Sutton's assertion that agents Ramos and Compean filed false reports, the April 2005 administrative hearing reveals Compean was forthcoming concerning the events of the incident.

In the second cassette, Russell makes clear that the reluctance to do more formal reporting after the incident came from supervisor Richards.


But the fact of the matter is an assault did take place. Umm … Mr. Richards did know about it.
Umm … whether Mr. Compean … Mr. Compean said yes sir to this or whether he was assaulted or not … doesn't negate Mr. Richards responsibility to take some action from the facts that were presented to him as to what happened out there.

He was on the scene. He was told by another agent exactly what had happened and it pretty much apparently stopped at that point.

Russell argues Richards did not want to go through the trouble of filing written paperwork. So rather than press the hand injury, which Compean felt was minor, Compean gave in to Richards' pressure to forget about the hand injury, obviating the only issue the supervisor felt might be needed to document in writing.

Station Chief Barker asked Compean why he didn't report the shooting. Compean admitted that possibly a written report should have been filed, but he and the other Border Patrol on the scene considered the incident inconsequential.

Compean testified:


As …As I stated to … umm … to this earlier … I didn't … I just … I know it was wrong for us not to reported it and I … if I would have thought that he had been hit or anything like that had happened I would have … I didn't … I just … I knew we were going to get in trouble because the way … the way it's been at the station the last two … three years … uhh … I mean everything always comes down to the alien. The agents are as soon as anything comes up … it is always … always the agent's fault. The agents have always been cleared but, with management, it's always been the agent's fault. We're the ones that get in trouble.
Compean continued to note that Aldrete-Davila escaped, and none of the agents in the field thought he had been hit. All the agents and supervisors in the field knew there had been a shooting and none of the agents or supervisors filed any written reports. There was no "cover-up" of anything that happened that day in the field, the documentation indicates. The only defect was failure by all to file a written report, including the two supervisors present.

Compean emphasized that the failure to report the incident was considered minor given the outcome:


He (Aldrete-Davila) was already gone back south. I … really didn't … didn't think he had been hit. The way I saw him walking back south he looked … he looked fine to us and we just didn't … nothing was ever said as … as to don't say anything keep your mouth shut nothing like that was ever … was ever brought up either. We just … we just didn't bring it up.
Compean's testimony emphasized supervisor Richards pressured him not to file a written report:


When we got back to the station it was the same thing he asked me and the way … the way I … the way he … he asked me ... he made it seemed like he wanted me to say no and that's why I said it.
By denying he had been injured, Compean made it possible for Richards to avoid the trouble of filing a written report on the incident.

The issue about filing a written report, according to Compean's testimony, turned on his willingness not to mention the assault. The decision not to file a written report did not turn on wanting to hide the fact that shooting had taken place.

Moreover, Richards was well aware Compean had been injured in a scuffling match with Aldrete-Davila on the levee, when he wrestled the drug smuggler down. Compean did not even realize his hand had been cut until Richards pointed it out to him at the levee.

The Customs and Border Patrol manual mentions that the penalty for failure to report the discharge of a firearm or use of a weapon as required by the applicable firearms policy is a written reprimand, or at most a five-day suspension for the first offense. The manual makes no mention of the possibility of criminal punishment for failure to report the discharge of a weapon.

In a last, more belligerent section of the hearing, Barker charges, "There was a shooting where somebody was shot and NOTHING WAS SAID!" The capital letters were in the original transcript, probably reflecting Barker's emphasis.

Russell responds, according to the transcript: "That was an administrative violation on his part by not reporting it to the agency, yes, but on the same part the agency failed to act when it knew that an agent had been assaulted."

Then, Russell himself shouts out, "EMPLOYEES SAW IT," pointing out seven Border Patrol agents besides Ramos and Compean, including two supervisors, were at the scene.

According to the transcript, the pressure on Compean not to file a written report came from Richards, the senior supervisor on the field.

Richards was applying pressure on Compean not to report the assault, because that would have demanded paperwork.

Moreover, according to the hearing transcript, there is no record Richards ever mentioned to Compean the need to file a written report on the shooting.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54133
 

Red Robin

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GOP presidential hopeful Tom Tancredo is outraged that federal prison officials did not protect a U.S. Border Patrol agent, who Tancredo believes was wrongly imprisoned, from other inmates. The Colorado congressman says that, if he was president, he would immediately pardon both agents.

Hear This Report

A Colorado congressman and possible presidential candidate wants to meet face-to-face with an imprisoned Border Patrol agent who was severely beaten by other inmates at a federal prison in Mississippi.

Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) believes Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean were wrongly convicted of shooting a drug smuggler who was trying flee back across the border.

The U.S. attorney who prosecuted the pair built his case on the agents' alleged failure to report the incident to their supervisors. Documents recently obtained from the Department of Homeland Security show that the agents did, in fact, verbally report the incident to their immediate supervisor, who ordered them not to file a written report. As many as a half-dozen witnesses have reportedly confirmed that account, potentially undermining the prosecution's key claim against the agents.

Tancredo, who has joined a group of lawmakers demanding a presidential pardon for the two men, says the new information should clear the two agents.

"We found out that some of the allegations that were brought against these guys have absolutely no basis in fact and there is no information to substantiate them," Tancredo said. "There is much more here than meets the eye -- and it makes me sick."

Tancredo is in disbelief that federal officials did not protect Ramos from the general population of inmates at the Yazoo City Federal Penitentiary in Mississippi. Ramos was severely beaten by prisoners in the dormitory-style housing area.

"They should know that anybody who is an agent, either a police officer or federal agent, is going to be in grave danger," Tancredo said. "I have heard from his wife [that] he's bleeding from the ear [and] he's lost some ability to move his left arm."

Tancredo has formed a presidential exploratory committee. He says that if he was president, he would immediately pardon both agents.
 

TSR

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
---it appears these BP folks got too close to a smuggling operation that the powers that are don't want to see shut down... :roll: :mad:
Maybe it was the Bush family weed pipeline. Yeah, I bet that's it. I bet that smuggler really worked for Bush bringing weed in from Mexico. Those two Border Patrol agents, who were convicted by a jury of their peers (never mind that part), stumbled into it. They shot Bush's man in the butt, Bush lost his smoke, so he gets really irate...

Bush puts pressure on the U.S. Attorney to prosecute them, paid off all of the jurors to convict them, and then twisted somebody's tail to get them thrown into a federal prison where some more wetbacks in the Bush gang could do away with them. Yep...Bush did it. :lol:

And yet according to CNN Bush has already pardoned 5 convicted drug smugglers during his tenure.
 

Texan

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TSR said:
And yet according to CNN Bush has already pardoned 5 convicted drug smugglers during his tenure.
What's your point? He's pardoned some moonshiners and FFL violators, too.

We have a system in place to deal with this injustice - IF it is an injustice. That system is called the appellate process. Presidential pardons aren't normally given until the appeals process has already run it's course - most pardons are in cases that are many years old.

I don't know why these guys couldn't remain out on bond pending appeal, but for some reason, they weren't allowed to. I'm not sure I agree with that decision, but...

We can't expect the President of the United States to throw out jury decisions just because people like us, who didn't hear the testimony or see the evidence, disagree with the jury's decision.
 

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