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Hey OT, Where Are All Those Nimbys?

Mike

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:lol:
After a summer of lackluster protests and the failure to gain wide-ranging public support for the campaign, prominent liberal columnist Jonathan Chait called the Keystone opposition a “huge environmentalist mistake,” arguing that the focus on the pipeline project came in 2011 after environmentalists had been dealt a defeat on cap-and-trade policies.

Chait criticizes environmentalist leader Bill McKibben and others for putting so much effort into fighting the pipeline that will do little to curb global warming. The real effort to cut carbon dioxide emissions, Chait writes, comes from the Environmental Protection Agency’s emissions limits on power plants.

“Even slight gradations in the strength of possible EPA plans matter more than the whole fate of the Keystone pipeline,” Chait wrote last week. “And yet, McKibben and tens of thousands of his followers are obsessed with a program that amounts to a rounding error at the expense of a decision that really is the last chance to stop unrestrained global warming.”



Chait’s argument got some push back from environmentalists, but the liberal writer isn’t alone is venting frustration about the environmental movement’s Keystone campaign.

“Architecturally, a keystone is the wedge-shaped piece at the crown of an arch that locks the other pieces in place,” wrote four environmental activists representing U.S. and Canadian groups. “Without the keystone, the building blocks of an archway will tumble and fall, with no support system for the weight of the arch. Much of the United States’ climate movement right now is structured like an archway, with all of its blocks resting on a keystone — President [Barack] Obama’s decision on the Keystone XL pipeline.”

“This is a dangerous place to be,” the activists added. “Once Barack Obama makes his decision on the pipeline, be it approval or rejection, the keystone will disappear. Without this piece, we could see the weight of the arch tumble down, potentially losing throngs of newly inspired climate activists.”

Environmentalists have good reason to be worried about their stake in the Keystone XL decision. The summer saw sparsely attended protests against the pipeline. As the summer dragged on, the protests failed to draw out activists specifically opposed to the pipeline, and instead drew out more broadly anti-capitalist activists.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/05/environmentalists-regret-blocking-keystone-xl-pipeline/#ixzz2juujo2xv
 

Mike

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Posted by Oldtimer - Sept 6, 2011 - We're seeing that more and more with some ranchers and landowners- that scream "drill baby drill" out of one side of their mouth--but then holler to high heaven when any type of energy system is set to go across their land/leases- or involve their land or leases... Seeing more and more of it with landowners/leasees opposing some of the coal mines and power lines...Most of these are folks leasing government land (that thru using for long periods they now think they own) or folks that don't own the mineral rights to their land..... Some are becoming the new Greeny Weenies of the west.....

He was too stupid to see that the Environmentalists had organized the protests and tried to blend in. Everyone else saw it. Why didn't he? :lol: :lol:
 

Steve

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I wouldn't put to much money betting on Obama making any real decision,..
especially one that pits two of his favorite special interests against each other.. unions want the jobs.. environmentalists want US in the dark ages..

Even if you haven’t been following the saga of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, and haven’t decided if it’s a fast track to U.S. energy independence (those in favor) or “game over” for human civilization (those opposed, because of its role in climate change), yesterday’s developments are too rich to ignore. In fact, it may be game over for the Keystone XL—at least until 2016—thanks, once again, to U.S. State Department oversight.

Three years ago, the Keystone XL was a lot closer to being OK’d than it is today.

in other words.. Obama and crew found another lame excuse to kick the can down the road..
 

Mike

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Steve said:
I wouldn't put to much money betting on Obama making any real decision,..
especially one that pits two of his favorite special interests against each other.. unions want the jobs.. environmentalists want US in the dark ages..

Even if you haven’t been following the saga of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, and haven’t decided if it’s a fast track to U.S. energy independence (those in favor) or “game over” for human civilization (those opposed, because of its role in climate change), yesterday’s developments are too rich to ignore. In fact, it may be game over for the Keystone XL—at least until 2016—thanks, once again, to U.S. State Department oversight.

Three years ago, the Keystone XL was a lot closer to being OK’d than it is today.

in other words.. Obama and crew found another lame excuse to kick the can down the road..

He's paying Warren Buffett back for all the endorsements............ :mad: :mad:
 
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There was a fellow in town last week doing an article for Smithsonian Magazine- and I was one he interviewed... Several of us spent quite some time chatting with him... He was surprised that so far in Montana he had seen almost no real opposition to the pipeline...

The closest thing to opposition from Montanan's comes from the large amount of the workforce that works for BNSF-- and then they really don't oppose it- instead just say the railroad can do a better job of transporting the crude- and thankful that with the XL delay and because of all the crude being carried another whole rail line will end up being built parallel to the old lines...
He said that while in Canada he had seen some opposition-- both from some enviromentalists and some that think it should stay in Canada to be refined....

But as he had heard- the further east and south he goes (Dakotas, Nebraska) he expects more opposition because of the previous opposition by landowners/lessee's and now with the revelation of over 300 pipeline breaks in ND alone that were kept from the public-- and only became knowledge with the "Up through the wheat came a-bubblin' crude" spill--- many more landowners fear it and/or want nothing to do with it.... http://journalstar.com/business/local/up-through-the-wheat-came-a-bubblin-crude/article_57d8faa9-c034-5c65-8567-e8d7c61748e9.html

According to Bakken- Talk and some of the articles again appearing-- a new set of NIMBY's and enviromentalists are appearing: http://ecodistributioninc.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/nearly-300-pipeline-spills-in-north-dakota-have-gone-unreported-to-the-public-since-january-2012/

He was given the names of some of the anti-government folks of southeastern MT/Dakotas area that are supposedly now spouting the "not in my back yard rhetoric" too.. Supposedly some have organized and may be trying to get much more "rental' payment for right away to cross their property...

He seemed like a very impartial reporter and wanted to get a fair picture of the local views on issue....
 

loomixguy

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And as long as he was buying, you were more than willing to flap your jaws with "opinions" you pull out of your backside... :roll:
 

Whitewing

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Mike said:
Posted by Oldtimer - Sept 6, 2011 - We're seeing that more and more with some ranchers and landowners- that scream "drill baby drill" out of one side of their mouth--but then holler to high heaven when any type of energy system is set to go across their land/leases- or involve their land or leases... Seeing more and more of it with landowners/leasees opposing some of the coal mines and power lines...Most of these are folks leasing government land (that thru using for long periods they now think they own) or folks that don't own the mineral rights to their land..... Some are becoming the new Greeny Weenies of the west.....

He was too stupid to see that the Environmentalists had organized the protests and tried to blend in. Everyone else saw it. Why didn't he? :lol: :lol:

Do you really have to ask? Just look at him.
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Steve

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ut as he had heard- the further east and south he goes (Dakotas, Nebraska) he expects more opposition because of the previous opposition by landowners/lessee's

a lesson in deciphering liberal jibberish..


he had heard ,.. just means a liberal told him,.. thus ,.. he had heard...


he expects more opposition because of the previous opposition by landowners/lessee's ,... just means he had heard the previous rumors and believed them... so he was expecting to believe more rumors..

innuendo and implied comments are not facts,.. and should not be part of journalism..
 

Whitewing

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Steve said:
ut as he had heard- the further east and south he goes (Dakotas, Nebraska) he expects more opposition because of the previous opposition by landowners/lessee's

a lesson in deciphering liberal jibberish..


he had heard ,.. just means a liberal told him,.. thus ,.. he had heard...


he expects more opposition because of the previous opposition by landowners/lessee's ,... just means he had heard the previous rumors and believed them... so he was expecting to believe more rumors..

innuendo and implied comments are not facts,.. and should not be part of journalism..

Please try to keep up Steve. In fatmanland, opinion is fact. There can be a mountain of evidence that says otherwise, but if he believes it, then it is so. Ask for some support, he saw it on C-Span, weren't you watching? :roll:
 

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