Big Muddy rancher
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I wonder if our resident liberals will ever answer this question.
At what age should children be offer the protection of the law?
At what age should children be offer the protection of the law?
The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.
Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.
Steve said:The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.
Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.
Yanuck said:Steve said:The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.
Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.
a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29037216/Investigation under way,...
TAMPA, Fla. - Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.
Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise readied for the procedure.
Only Renelique (the doctor) didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.
What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
The complaint says one of the clinic owners, Belkis Gonzalez came in and cut the umbilical cord with scissors, then placed the baby in a plastic bag, and the bag in a trash can.
Williams' lawsuit offers a cruder account: ... Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby's umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing (the baby) to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
An autopsy determined Williams' baby — — had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive,
"Hastening the death of an individual who is terminally ill is still considered causing the death of that individual," Batey said. "And I think a court would rule similarly in this type of case."
Yanuck said:Steve said:The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.
Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.
a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:
Big Muddy rancher said:Yanuck said:
a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:
I understand people not wanting in on this discussion It's not a pleasant one and it has lots of angles. Yes a preemie baby is not the same as a botched abortion. However the result can be the same. A newborn needing medical care. Who decides when that newborn that has filled it's lungs with air. The same air we all breathe does not get the same attention that a baby the same age gets?
Yanuck said:Big Muddy rancher said:Yanuck said:a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:
I understand people not wanting in on this discussion It's not a pleasant one and it has lots of angles. Yes a preemie baby is not the same as a botched abortion. However the result can be the same. A newborn needing medical care. Who decides when that newborn that has filled it's lungs with air. The same air we all breathe does not get the same attention that a baby the same age gets?
my only reply would be one baby is wanted....the other sadly, isn't, and I can't imagine ever having to choose who got life saving care and who didn't.
Yanuck said:yes, or every State/Province should have a safe haven law for newborns
Yanuck said:I don't know, it doesn't seem like any older than new borns are dumped in the garbage...maybe a week? but the law in NE is ridiculous
Big Muddy rancher said:Yanuck said:I don't know, it doesn't seem like any older than new borns are dumped in the garbage...maybe a week? but the law in NE is ridiculous
I don't think I understand your response. Only babies after a week of age should have protection of the law? Shouldn't they have protection from the time they are born, Full term or not?
Yanuck said:Big Muddy rancher said:Yanuck said:I don't know, it doesn't seem like any older than new borns are dumped in the garbage...maybe a week? but the law in NE is ridiculous
I don't think I understand your response. Only babies after a week of age should have protection of the law? Shouldn't they have protection from the time they are born, Full term or not?
No you misunderstood me, how many week old babies have you ever heard of being dumped? its is the 1-2 hour olds that are dumped, and that concludes my responses on this subject!