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Sandhusker

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Good luck. They're pretty good at avoiding answers that expose glaring weaknesses in their logic. That doesn't change their logic, they just pretend the question wasn't asked. If you ask it enough, they'll eventually just claim that they already answered it many times.
 

Steve

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The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.

Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.
 

Yanuck

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Steve said:
The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.

Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.


a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:
 

Steve

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Yanuck said:
Steve said:
The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.

Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.


a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:

The same botched abortion arguement is another slippery slope I would like to stay off of as well..

I understand the point,.. but I also didn't want to get into it.. but when person advocates killing a born child for any reason,. sometimes you must step back and point out that babies survive against the odds even before 6 months..

and at some point every one must agree that life must be protected.. when a person is pregnant it is a baby..
 

Steve

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at some point every one must agree that life must be protected..

Investigation under way,...

TAMPA, Fla. - Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.

Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise readied for the procedure.

Only Renelique (the doctor) didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.

What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

The complaint says one of the clinic owners, Belkis Gonzalez came in and cut the umbilical cord with scissors, then placed the baby in a plastic bag, and the bag in a trash can.

Williams' lawsuit offers a cruder account: ... Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby's umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing (the baby) to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

An autopsy determined Williams' baby — — had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive,

"Hastening the death of an individual who is terminally ill is still considered causing the death of that individual," Batey said. "And I think a court would rule similarly in this type of case."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29037216/

but at what point is that?
 

hypocritexposer

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There's a backlog of facts they need to discount, it's going to take a bit.

In the meantime, while you are waiting, listen to Bam Bam's explanation of his answer to being a Socialist, and how Bush did it!

You can just picture him going back to the office:

Bam Bam: " Hey Axel, I need some help, I didn't have the answer to the Socialist question today, what do I do now"

Axel: "well Hero, we could use the exhaustion excuse"

Bam Bam:"No, we used that one yesterday and the day b4"

Axel: "We could tell the reporter he's only 1 out of 190"

Bam Bam:"No, we used that one yesterday for the UK"

Axel: "How bout we blame it on Rush?"

Bam Bam: "No way, that one backfired big time, that's the last time I listen to rahmbo."

Axel: "How bout we blame it on Bush?"

Bam Bam: "I guess, we can use that one. I've been on this Ranchers site lately, and there's a guy called OT on there that it seems to work for. Give me the phone"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIPA6wi99nc&eurl=http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Yanuck said:
Steve said:
The world’s most premature baby ever is celebrating a very special birthday.

Amillia Taylor, born at just 21 weeks and weighing only 10 ounces, turned 2 years old yesterday.


a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:

I understand people not wanting in on this discussion It's not a pleasant one and it has lots of angles. Yes a preemie baby is not the same as a botched abortion. However the result can be the same. A newborn needing medical care. Who decides when that newborn that has filled it's lungs with air. The same air we all breathe does not get the same attention that a baby the same age gets?
 

Yanuck

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Yanuck said:


a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:

I understand people not wanting in on this discussion It's not a pleasant one and it has lots of angles. Yes a preemie baby is not the same as a botched abortion. However the result can be the same. A newborn needing medical care. Who decides when that newborn that has filled it's lungs with air. The same air we all breathe does not get the same attention that a baby the same age gets?

my only reply would be one baby is wanted....the other sadly, isn't, and I can't imagine ever having to choose who got life saving care and who didn't.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Yanuck said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Yanuck said:
a preemie and baby born because of an unsucessful abortion aren't the same, and for the record, this is not a discussion I'm going to get into, I just wanted to make that point :wink:

I understand people not wanting in on this discussion It's not a pleasant one and it has lots of angles. Yes a preemie baby is not the same as a botched abortion. However the result can be the same. A newborn needing medical care. Who decides when that newborn that has filled it's lungs with air. The same air we all breathe does not get the same attention that a baby the same age gets?

my only reply would be one baby is wanted....the other sadly, isn't, and I can't imagine ever having to choose who got life saving care and who didn't.

I don't want to have to decide either. What about a baby that goes full term but is unwanted? Maybe left in a dumpster, should someone be charged?
 

Yanuck

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I don't know, it doesn't seem like any older than new borns are dumped in the garbage...maybe a week? but the law in NE is ridiculous
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Yanuck said:
I don't know, it doesn't seem like any older than new borns are dumped in the garbage...maybe a week? but the law in NE is ridiculous

I don't think I understand your response. Only babies after a week of age should have protection of the law? Shouldn't they have protection from the time they are born, Full term or not?
 

Yanuck

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Yanuck said:
I don't know, it doesn't seem like any older than new borns are dumped in the garbage...maybe a week? but the law in NE is ridiculous

I don't think I understand your response. Only babies after a week of age should have protection of the law? Shouldn't they have protection from the time they are born, Full term or not?

No you misunderstood me, how many week old babies have you ever heard of being dumped? its is the 1-2 hour olds that are dumped, and that concludes my responses on this subject!
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Yanuck said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Yanuck said:
I don't know, it doesn't seem like any older than new borns are dumped in the garbage...maybe a week? but the law in NE is ridiculous

I don't think I understand your response. Only babies after a week of age should have protection of the law? Shouldn't they have protection from the time they are born, Full term or not?

No you misunderstood me, how many week old babies have you ever heard of being dumped? its is the 1-2 hour olds that are dumped, and that concludes my responses on this subject!


Thanks.
 
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I need to ask one question- What is the Republican/conservative answer to the problem :???:

What should they do when in a pregnancy they detect a baby will suffer lifelong from fetal alchohol syndrome :???: severe retardation or birth defects :???: severe life threatening drug addiction :???: - which many parents/mothers are not mentally or physically able to cope with.... Or mothers that cannot cope and aren't mentally mature enough to be a mother :???:

Lets see rightwingernuts oppose sex education- they oppose birth control and birth control education- and funding birth control for those too poor to get it...Believe only in abstinence-- altho many of them know- and I know- they too weren't/aren't able to keep their pants up when any tail waves in their faces - and are the same bankers I used to catch with their secretaries or ranchers with their young "hired girl" out in the boonies in compromising situations...

Its these same old rich white men that make the laws- that also never seem to want to get involved in working on the problem...They seldom adopt kids- preferring their comfortable life style with their own- and when they have to, to have children, prefer the trendier "adopt one from overseas" so they can fit in with the elitist crowd...
Its usually the hard working folks that are just scraping to get by that go out and adopt some of these kids- or that take in foster kids....I know one couple that adopted and raised 8 (of every color and flavor) while providing temporary foster homes for untold more....
But trying to find foster homes is like pulling teeth anymore...And trying to find homes for some of these disability babies is impossible...

Fill me in on your answer...Do you think we should spend Billions more on orphanages/institutions :???: How many of these unwanted kids have you taken in :???:
 
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