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Hillary Bombs In Debate

Mike

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Obama, Edwards attack; Clinton bombs debate

By: Roger Simon
Oct 31, 2007 06:02 AM EST



In a debate against six Democratic opponents at Drexel University, Clinton gave the worst performance of her entire campaign.

PHILADELPHIA — We now know something that we did not know before: When Hillary Clinton has a bad night, she really has a bad night.

In a debate against six Democratic opponents at Drexel University here Tuesday, Clinton gave the worst performance of her entire campaign.

It was not just that her answer about whether illegal immigrants should be issued driver's licenses was at best incomprehensible and at worst misleading.

It was that for two hours she dodged and weaved, parsed and stonewalled.

And when it was over, both the Barack Obama and John Edwards campaigns signaled that in the weeks ahead they intend to hammer home a simple message: Hillary Clinton does not say what she means or mean what she says.

And she gave them plenty of ammunition Tuesday night.

Asked whether she still agrees with New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, Clinton launched into a long, complicated defense of it.

But when Chris Dodd attacked the idea a moment later, Clinton quickly said: “I did not say that it should be done.”

NBC’s Tim Russert, one of the debate moderators, jumped in and said to her: “You told (a) New Hampshire paper that it made a lot of sense. Do you support his plan?”


”You know, Tim,” Clinton replied, “this is where everybody plays ‘gotcha.’”

John Edwards immediately went for the jugular. “Unless I missed something,” he said, “Sen. Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes. America is looking for a president who will say the same thing, who will be consistent, who will be straight with them.”

Barack Obama added: “I was confused [by] Sen. Clinton's answer. I can't tell whether she was for it or against it. One of the things that we have to do in this country is to be honest about the challenges that we face.”

Earlier, when Clinton was asked whether she had made one statement on Social Security publicly and a conflicting answer privately, she ducked the question, saying she believed in “fiscal responsibility.”

And when Russert asked her if she would make public certain communications between herself and President Clinton when she was first lady, she responded weakly: “Well, that’s not my decision to make.”

Perhaps just as bad was her general tone and demeanor. All of her opponents seemed passionate about one issue or another. But Clinton seemed largely emotionless and detached, often just mouthing rehearsed answers from her briefing book.

True, she was relentlessly attacked all night. But she can’t claim that she was stabbed in the back. She was stabbed in the front.

“Who is honest? Who is sincere? Who has integrity?” Edwards asked and then provided the answer: Not Hillary.

“She has not been truthful and clear,” Obama said at one point.

Hillary Clinton will certainly live to fight another day. She still has a huge lead in the national polls, a good staff and a ton of money.

But, in the past, Clinton could always depend on her opponents to lose these debates. All she had to do was stay above the fray to win.

Those days seem to be over.
 

Red Robin

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Why would a big liberated woman like hillary play this card?

From Breitbart:
.......In a new memo, Clinton's campaign rejected the "politics of pile-on" it said were perpetrated by Obama and Edwards, and claimed the debate merely served to show she was tough enough to withstand all manner of attacks.

"The American people are looking for a president who can stand strong and come out ahead under any circumstances, last night, once again, that person was Hillary Clinton.

"One strong woman."

That appeared to be a pitch to female voters, who polls show are powering Clinton's White House drive, and may chafe at the spectacle of her being ganged up upon by six male candidates.......
 

jigs

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looks like the bitch don't like it when people are not pandering to her, and throwing softballs.

I do not like edwards or obama, but I am all for them to keep up the chin music!
 

Cal

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I don't think I have the stomach to sit through a Democrat debate, but did the other three score any points, or was it all the "big 3"?
 

Goodpasture

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Biden was great.........

His comment about Rudy was right on target: "Guliani is the most unqualified candidate since George Bush. Every time he opens his mouth he has a noun, a verb and 9-11."

It was hilarious.....worthy of Jay Leno
 

Sandhusker

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Goodpasture said:
Biden was great.........

His comment about Rudy was right on target: "Guliani is the most unqualified candidate since George Bush. Every time he opens his mouth he has a noun, a verb and 9-11."

It was hilarious.....worthy of Jay Leno

Rudy isn't my favorite, but what are Hillary's qualifications? She's never run a business, never operated a government, never managed a dang thing.
 

kolanuraven

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Sandhusker said:
Goodpasture said:
Biden was great.........

His comment about Rudy was right on target: "Guliani is the most unqualified candidate since George Bush. Every time he opens his mouth he has a noun, a verb and 9-11."

It was hilarious.....worthy of Jay Leno

Rudy isn't my favorite, but what are Hillary's qualifications? She's never run a business, never operated a government, never managed a dang thing.


The rumors are that Laura Bush is gonna run for an office. How is she qualified then? Do you see her ' above' Hillary in qualifications?

I can't count the times you men here have said that you'd have been NOTHING without your wife behind you, that she's the true moving force and power behind ya'll. Could the same not be said for a woman who has been a First Lady for 8 yrs and a Senator on top of that?


OR...are you using the double standard?

Being a lawyer is not a business?

Being a Mother is not a job?

Being a wife is not a job?

Running a home is not a job?


Ladies, wives, business partners alike, Sandhusker just tossed ya'll under the bus!!!!
 

jigs

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being an evil coniving dirty murdering, win at all costs bitch. that is her qualifications.

I hope she dies a slow painful agonizing death, and the sooner the better!
 
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Clinton would cream Giuliani, poll finds
By: David Paul Kuhn
November 1, 2007 09:27 AM EST

One year before voters go to the polls to select the next president, the Republican Party is as weak as it has been in a generation, a detailed new poll suggests.

In a hypothetical match-up between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, bloc after bloc of traditionally Republican voters break for Clinton:

She wins the South.

She polls evenly with voters who attend church at least once a week.

She splits families with a household income above $100,000.

She loses rural voters and men — but only by a narrow margin.

All are constituencies Republicans have dominated for decades; George W. Bush won each by double-digit margins.

The findings from The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press remain preliminary, considering even the primaries are still two months off.

But Pew questioned an unusually large number of voters to try to paint the most accurate picture possible of where the presidential contest stands today.

Should the race continue down its current trajectory, the poll finds Clinton defeating Giuliani by eight percentage points.

Other recent polls, however, have placed Giuliani ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head race. But those polls predict Clinton would beat Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney.


And Barack Obama would defeat Giuliani — though narrowly — according to at least four polls taken in October.

In fact, Democrats hold a marked advantage over Republicans in the eyes of voters.

In July 2004, the Democratic Party had a slight lead as the party “better able to manage the federal government” and as the party that is “more honest and ethical.”

Today Democrats lead both categories by double-digit margins.

By even larger margins, Democrats are seen as the party “more concerned about people like me” (by 29 percentage points) and the party best able to bring about “needed change” (by 22 percentage points).

Other polling has also showed that for the first time in decades Americans now see the two parties as equally qualified to face down national security threats — erasing the “security advantage” Republicans have long relied on.

Republican insiders dismiss the findings as “largely irrelevant” because they come so far before Election Day.

“I don’t take comfort in any of the numbers that are out there right now, but I also don’t put much stock in them because it is so premature,” said Rep. Adam Putnam (Fla.), the number-three Republican in the House.

Pew’s pollsters agree that as well as Democrats are positioned today, much could change in the next year.


“It’s very early in the race, and we would all be shocked if the South went for Clinton,” said Michael Dimock, Pew’s associate director of research.

One factor the poll “reflects is the lack of focus among Republicans right now,” he said.

That lack of focus is visible when partisans are asked to rate their own political camp.

Only 36 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the GOP “does an excellent or good job” of “standing up for traditional GOP positions” on issues like reducing the size of government, cutting taxes, and promoting conservative social issues.

That’s a decline of 25 points since July 2004. In fact, it’s the lowest Republican rating for the GOP since Pew began tracking the issue in 2000.

If it turns out to be a subway race between Giuliani and Clinton, Pew further found that two-thirds of Republicans say their vote for the Republican would be more accurately described as a vote “against Clinton” and “not for Giuliani.”

Yet, as Dimock notes, “Republican enthusiasm and engagement could really turn and that’s the big unknown at this point.”

Democrats do not have a significantly better view of their party than Republicans do of the GOP, but Democrats have long been skeptical of their tribe.

Republicans, however, have become “increasingly negative,” as Pew puts it, about their party.

And they are falling behind in the party loyalty stakes, Pew interviews of some 20,000 Americans this year have found.

About a third of voters call themselves Democrats and a quarter call themselves Republicans — but when independents’ leanings are added to the mix, roughly half of Americans lean Democratic and only 36 percent lean Republican.

That Democratic advantage in party identity is larger than at any time since tracking began in 1990.

Bush’s poor approval ratings are a factor.

His approval rating has dropped from around 50 percent in October 2003 to about 30 percent today.

That is roughly equal to Jimmy Carter's ratings at the low point of the 1979 energy crisis and Richard Nixon's in the worst days of Watergate.
Additionally, the unpopular war in Iraq, the lack of a clear Republican front-runner and dismay among some conservatives about the authenticity of leading GOP candidates all play a role in the Democrats’ powerfully fortified position today.

Pew conducted its survey of 2,007 adults from Oct. 17 to Oct. 23. The sample size was nearly twice that of a normal poll.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F724BA67-3048-5C12-0026BE808798ACAC
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
OR...are you using the double standard?

Being a lawyer is not a business?

Being a Mother is not a job?

Being a wife is not a job?

Running a home is not a job?

Being a Lawyer for someone else is a job you show up to do much like any other job. Unless you own a Law firm and manage employees

Being a mother is a natural loving thing with lots of hard work. But when you would eat your own as in Hillary's case I doubt it qualifies her for a having a job

Being a wife is a job at times, or you can just pursue your own agenda and leave your husband to do as he wishes. Do you really think Hillary can put down her Job with Hillary as a good reference? Besides from what I remember Monica was the women doing that JOB anyways :wink:

Running a Home? What cussing out the servants at a Governors mansion and then the White House gives her a reference in this regard.


This woman is evil and I am glad she got asked some hard questions and came up short. Wait till the Republican nominee gets her in his debate!
 

aplusmnt

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jigs said:
being an evil coniving dirty murdering, win at all costs bitch. that is her qualifications.

be careful you are starting to make her sound qualified, if not for President certainly for most political offices :lol:
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
OR...are you using the double standard?

Being a lawyer is not a business?

Being a Mother is not a job?

Being a wife is not a job?

Running a home is not a job?

Being a Lawyer for someone else is a job you show up to do much like any other job. Unless you own a Law firm and manage employees

Being a mother is a natural loving thing with lots of hard work. But when you would eat your own as in Hillary's case I doubt it qualifies her for a having a job

Being a wife is a job at times, or you can just pursue your own agenda and leave your husband to do as he wishes. Do you really think Hillary can put down her Job with Hillary as a good reference? Besides from what I remember Monica was the women doing that JOB anyways :wink:

Running a Home? What cussing out the servants at a Governors mansion and then the White House gives her a reference in this regard.


This woman is evil and I am glad she got asked some hard questions and came up short. Wait till the Republican nominee gets her in his debate!





....and you get your information HOW?? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Were you there ?? Who told you??? Your just running your mouth on hearsay....pure hearsay....a parrot of Fox News..... B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!!


What about Bush/Cheney braodcast on Nat'l TV calling a reporter an Azzhole? Cheney tell a Senator to go fduck himself? Hmmmmmmm??????
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
Goodpasture said:
Biden was great.........

His comment about Rudy was right on target: "Guliani is the most unqualified candidate since George Bush. Every time he opens his mouth he has a noun, a verb and 9-11."

It was hilarious.....worthy of Jay Leno

Rudy isn't my favorite, but what are Hillary's qualifications? She's never run a business, never operated a government, never managed a dang thing.


The rumors are that Laura Bush is gonna run for an office. How is she qualified then? Do you see her ' above' Hillary in qualifications?

I can't count the times you men here have said that you'd have been NOTHING without your wife behind you, that she's the true moving force and power behind ya'll. Could the same not be said for a woman who has been a First Lady for 8 yrs and a Senator on top of that?


OR...are you using the double standard?

Being a lawyer is not a business?

Being a Mother is not a job?

Being a wife is not a job?

Running a home is not a job?


Ladies, wives, business partners alike, Sandhusker just tossed ya'll under the bus!!!!

She's running for President of the United States, not President of the local PTA. I'd like to see something more - and not near as many red flags about her past.
 

kolanuraven

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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
Rudy isn't my favorite, but what are Hillary's qualifications? She's never run a business, never operated a government, never managed a dang thing.


The rumors are that Laura Bush is gonna run for an office. How is she qualified then? Do you see her ' above' Hillary in qualifications?

I can't count the times you men here have said that you'd have been NOTHING without your wife behind you, that she's the true moving force and power behind ya'll. Could the same not be said for a woman who has been a First Lady for 8 yrs and a Senator on top of that?


OR...are you using the double standard?

Being a lawyer is not a business?

Being a Mother is not a job?

Being a wife is not a job?

Running a home is not a job?


Ladies, wives, business partners alike, Sandhusker just tossed ya'll under the bus!!!!

She's running for President of the United States, not President of the local PTA. I'd like to see something more - and not near as many red flags about her past.


Well at least she's got a past and didn't stay wedged up under Daddy's ( Bush) shadow...being a failure all the while!!!!!
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
The rumors are that Laura Bush is gonna run for an office. How is she qualified then? Do you see her ' above' Hillary in qualifications?

I can't count the times you men here have said that you'd have been NOTHING without your wife behind you, that she's the true moving force and power behind ya'll. Could the same not be said for a woman who has been a First Lady for 8 yrs and a Senator on top of that?


OR...are you using the double standard?

Being a lawyer is not a business?

Being a Mother is not a job?

Being a wife is not a job?

Running a home is not a job?


Ladies, wives, business partners alike, Sandhusker just tossed ya'll under the bus!!!!

She's running for President of the United States, not President of the local PTA. I'd like to see something more - and not near as many red flags about her past.


Well at least she's got a past and didn't stay wedged up under Daddy's ( Bush) shadow...being a failure all the while!!!!!

Come on, K, you're not saying that she does't suck, what you're saying amounts to "Yeah, but he sucks, too". It's an admission that she sucks! You're intentionally overlooking all the crap she was involved in and giving her amnesty. You shouldn't have to do that with a candiate for President. A tiger can't change it's stripes. If she was untrustworthy before, she's untrustworthy now - that's the type of person you want to run our country? Bush is a clown, but that doesn't excuse others to be the same.

I like Duncan Hunter. If somebody asks me why, I'll lay out his policies, what he wants to do, etc.... That's what you look at when deciding a leader - not "Well, he's a failure, too". Sadly, I think that's what most of Hillary's supporters are doing. They're not looking into the future to see where we'll be under her presidency, they're just trying to pick somebody on the opposite side of the spectrum. They're going from loser, past questionable, past decent, past good, past decent, past questionable, and back to loser.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
She's running for President of the United States, not President of the local PTA. I'd like to see something more - and not near as many red flags about her past.


Well at least she's got a past and didn't stay wedged up under Daddy's ( Bush) shadow...being a failure all the while!!!!!

Come on, K, you're not saying that she does't suck, what you're saying amounts to "Yeah, but he sucks, too". It's an admission that she sucks! You're intentionally overlooking all the crap she was involved in and giving her amnesty. You shouldn't have to do that with a candiate for President. A tiger can't change it's stripes. If she was untrustworthy before, she's untrustworthy now - that's the type of person you want to run our country? Bush is a clown, but that doesn't excuse others to be the same.

I like Duncan Hunter. If somebody asks me why, I'll lay out his policies, what he wants to do, etc.... That's what you look at when deciding a leader - not "Well, he's a failure, too". Sadly, I think that's what most of Hillary's supporters are doing. They're not looking into the future to see where we'll be under her presidency, they're just trying to pick somebody on the opposite side of the spectrum. They're going from loser, past questionable, past decent, past good, past decent, past questionable, and back to loser.

Sandhusker. She's a typical liberal. When they get in a bind, they change the subject!

Of course you knew that though. :wink:
 

jigs

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kolanuraven What about Bush/Cheney braodcast on Nat'l TV calling a reporter an Azzhole? Cheney tell a Senator to go fduck himself? Hmmmmmmm??????[/quote said:
the reporter was an a-hole, and the Senator needed to go f himself.


looks like my boys were calling them as they saw them.

now, Kola, be a good little woman, and start asking a man what your opinion is, and then only give it when he says you can.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
OR...are you using the double standard?

Being a lawyer is not a business?

Being a Mother is not a job?

Being a wife is not a job?

Running a home is not a job?

Being a Lawyer for someone else is a job you show up to do much like any other job. Unless you own a Law firm and manage employees

Being a mother is a natural loving thing with lots of hard work. But when you would eat your own as in Hillary's case I doubt it qualifies her for a having a job

Being a wife is a job at times, or you can just pursue your own agenda and leave your husband to do as he wishes. Do you really think Hillary can put down her Job with Hillary as a good reference? Besides from what I remember Monica was the women doing that JOB anyways :wink:

Running a Home? What cussing out the servants at a Governors mansion and then the White House gives her a reference in this regard.


This woman is evil and I am glad she got asked some hard questions and came up short. Wait till the Republican nominee gets her in his debate!





....and you get your information HOW?? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Were you there ?? Who told you??? Your just running your mouth on hearsay....pure hearsay....a parrot of Fox News..... B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!!


What about Bush/Cheney braodcast on Nat'l TV calling a reporter an Azzhole? Cheney tell a Senator to go fduck himself? Hmmmmmmm??????

Some things are just common knowledge. There is enough hearsay about Hillary not only from Fox news but advisers and people very close to her to establish a public opinion of her personality. You know this, you just are in denial.

Watch the lady on TV, watch how fake she appears to be. You can see the power desires in her eyes. It does not take a rocket scientist to see what type of person Hillary is.

As for Bush/Cheney broadcast, I will second what Jigs said. If it fit then so be it. The are big boys in a big boy world and sometimes they use big boy words. :wink:
 
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