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Hillary hires a crook

Sandhusker

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This is a week old - you guys are slipping...........

Former Bill Clinton adviser Sandy Berger is now serving as an adviser to candidate Hillary – even though he was caught removing and destroying classified documents from the National Archives and lost his security clearance until September 2008.

Berger – National Security Adviser from 1997 to 2001 – admitted stealing documents from the Archives before the 9/11 Commission hearings in 2003.

The documents were written by counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, who said they were a harsh review of the Clinton administration’s efforts in dealing with terrorism.

On several occasions, Berger stuffed classified documents into his pants and socks to remove them from the Archives building in Washington, D.C.

Berger first told reporters he had “inadvertently” removed the documents. But in April 2005 he pleaded guilty to a charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives. In September 2005 he was fined $50,000, placed on probation for two years, and stripped of his security clearance for three years.

Hillary’s enlistment of Berger as a campaign adviser “shows poor judgment and a lack of regard for Berger’s serious misdeeds,” law professor Jonathan Adler of Case Western Reserve University told examiner.com.

“If Senator Clinton becomes the Democratic nominee, at some point she will begin to receive national security briefings that will include sensitive information. At such a point, continuing to keep Berger on board as a key adviser, where he might have access to sensitive material, would be beyond incomprehensible.”

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I do believe that Berger is an unpaid consultant. Should we start listing the consultants/employees/representatives for different campaigns who have been charged with something illegal so far during this campaign? I think the Republicans will be ahead in that contest.
 

Sandhusker

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ff said:
I do believe that Berger is an unpaid consultant. Should we start listing the consultants/employees/representatives for different campaigns who have been charged with something illegal so far during this campaign? I think the Republicans will be ahead in that contest.

ff, he wasn't "charged" with something like a violated stop sign or jaywalking - he ADMITTED to STEALING and DESTROYING classified documents! The guy should still be in jail! That is no small crime! Hiring him is inexcuseable. It would be a telling point on Hillary's charachter, if we didnt' already have her figured out. NO SCRUPLES. The Clinton saga continues....
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
ff said:
I do believe that Berger is an unpaid consultant. Should we start listing the consultants/employees/representatives for different campaigns who have been charged with something illegal so far during this campaign? I think the Republicans will be ahead in that contest.

ff, he wasn't "charged" with something like a violated stop sign or jaywalking - he ADMITTED to STEALING and DESTROYING classified documents! The guy should still be in jail! That is no small crime! Hiring him is inexcuseable. It would be a telling point on Hillary's charachter, if we didnt' already have her figured out. NO SCRUPLES. The Clinton saga continues....

Start listing Frankie................................................ :lol:
 
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Sandhusker said:
ff said:
I do believe that Berger is an unpaid consultant. Should we start listing the consultants/employees/representatives for different campaigns who have been charged with something illegal so far during this campaign? I think the Republicans will be ahead in that contest.

ff, he wasn't "charged" with something like a violated stop sign or jaywalking - he ADMITTED to STEALING and DESTROYING classified documents! The guy should still be in jail! That is no small crime! Hiring him is inexcuseable. It would be a telling point on Hillary's charachter, if we didnt' already have her figured out. NO SCRUPLES. The Clinton saga continues....

I'll take Berger and raise with Thomas Ravanel, Chairman of the Giuliani for President campaign in South Carolina.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284637,00.html

Then we can add Monsignor Alan Placa.

And let's not forget Bernard Kerik, who Rudy tried to get in as head of Homeland Security.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/22/placa/index_np.html
 

Sandhusker

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Your point is taken, there's been no lack of crappy judgement in Washington, and Rudy is no peach, either. But how can you take a higher road when you hire a person who has proved themselves untrustworthy - someone who as already shown they will compromise National secrets for political gain? That's the crap that's wrong with Washington, and Hillary is campaigning on change? She's proved to me, again, that she is unelectable.
 
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Sandhusker said:
Your point is taken, there's been no lack of crappy judgement in Washington, and Rudy is no peach, either. But how can you take a higher road when you hire a person who has proved themselves untrustworthy - someone who as already shown they will compromise National secrets for political gain? That's the crap that's wrong with Washington, and Hillary is campaigning on change? She's proved to me, again, that she is unelectable.

I'm not going to defend Berger, but what political gain did he received from taking these copies, not original documents?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/08/berger.sentenced/

I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the individual campaigns, but I didn't realize Hillalry is campaigining on "change." Except to change who occupies the Oval Office. :D

I would disagree with you strongly that she is "unelectable." Look at the national polls. Head to head in every poll that I've seen, she beats every Republican candidate. Rudy seems to be her closest Republican competition, but will the Right support him or Mitt? Personally, I like that guy from Arkansas. But I'm not going to vote in another governor to the White House after the mess this last one is leaving us, much less a Mayor.

IMO, that's not what's wrong with Washington. I think, for example, an Attorney General who brought charges against the head of the only phone company that refused to comply with demands that the government be allowed to listen in on American's conversation, who approved charges against American citizens because they were Democrats, who rewrote the rules of torture, who held American citizens in jail for years without an attorney or charges are much worse than what Sandy Berger did.
 

Mike

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was sentenced Thursday to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them.

Anyone who could even remotely defend Berger is totally beyond reproach.

This man walked out of the National Archives with ORIGINAL classified documents in his pants and hid them under a trailer at a construction site until he was sure they were not known to be missing!
:lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock: :roll:

All to defend Clinton. :???: He should have been on trial for treason. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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What Berger did was wrong. Period. He has no place in Washington. People generally attract others of their ilk, when Hillary hires crooks, what does that say about her charachter? You can't say, "Yeah, but look what the other guy did" to excuse inexcusable actions.
 
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Sandhusker said:
What Berger did was wrong. Period. He has no place in Washington. People generally attract others of their ilk, when Hillary hires crooks, what does that say about her charachter? You can't say, "Yeah, but look what the other guy did" to excuse inexcusable actions.

So a coke dealer, child molester, and gangster do belong in Washington? The choices Rudy made say as much about him as the choices Clinton made say about her. I'm not defending either one of them; just trying to keep the field level.
 
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ff said:
Sandhusker said:
What Berger did was wrong. Period. He has no place in Washington. People generally attract others of their ilk, when Hillary hires crooks, what does that say about her charachter? You can't say, "Yeah, but look what the other guy did" to excuse inexcusable actions.

So a coke dealer, child molester, and gangster do belong in Washington? The choices Rudy made say as much about him as the choices Clinton made say about her. I'm not defending either one of them; just trying to keep the field level.

Probably find one on every block in D.C... :wink: :lol: :( And lying, cheating, stealing, destroying records seems to be the way they get ahead anymore--because they just pardon each other when they get caught :( :( :mad:
 

Texan

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ff said:
The choices Rudy made say as much about him as the choices Clinton made say about her. I'm not defending either one of them; just trying to keep the field level.
If you're really interested in keeping the field level, tell us who Rudy (or anybody else for that matter) has advising his campaign that:

Is a convicted felon

AND

has lost his security clearance.


While we're on the subject of security clearances, Berger's suspension of security clearance will expire just in time for him to join the next Clinton administration (if any). Very interesting...

In the first place, it's ridiculous that someone could have a security clearance 'suspended.' Either he's a trustworthy individual, or he's not. He's proven that he's not. Consequently, he doesn't EVER deserve a security clearance again.

Also, I think we can expect Mr. Burglar's status with the campaign to change once he regains that clearance - if not sooner. It wouldn't surprise me any for him to have gone on the payroll immediately following her denial that he was being paid.

A job in the Clinton campaign - or in her administration - is beyond bad judgment on her part. Beyond belief, actually. There's no question that this is a payoff for something.
 
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Texan said:
ff said:
The choices Rudy made say as much about him as the choices Clinton made say about her. I'm not defending either one of them; just trying to keep the field level.
If you're really interested in keeping the field level, tell us who Rudy (or anybody else for that matter) has advising his campaign that:
Is a convicted felon
AND
has lost his security clearance.
While we're on the subject of security clearances, Berger's suspension of security clearance will expire just in time for him to join the next Clinton administration (if any). Very interesting...

In the first place, it's ridiculous that someone could have a security clearance 'suspended.' Either he's a trustworthy individual, or he's not. He's proven that he's not. Consequently, he doesn't EVER deserve a security clearance again.

Also, I think we can expect Mr. Burglar's status with the campaign to change once he regains that clearance - if not sooner. It wouldn't surprise me any for him to have gone on the payroll immediately following her denial that he was being paid.

A job in the Clinton campaign - or in her administration - is beyond bad judgment on her part. Beyond belief, actually. There's no question that this is a payoff for something.

You're wrong about the felony. He pled guilty to a misdemeanor. A Presidential Pardon will remove even that from his record. :wink: The office of the President is much more powerful than it was in 1999, thanks to Bush and Cheney.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/31/politics/main684458.shtml
 
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Taking $165,000 in bribe money only constitutes a misdemeanor :shock: :shock: What the H E double toothpicks does it take to make a felony :???: This is the same fellow that GW had annointed--and had Attorney General Gonzales trying to fast track his security investigation by doing it himself-- until too many White House aides began screaming.......

Kerik Troubles Haunt Giuliani

Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:05 AM

By: NewsMax Staff




Indictments including allegations of bribery, tax fraud and obstruction of justice are expected against former NYC police commissioner and Rudy Giuliani confidant, Bernard Kerik, according to a report in the NY Daily News.



Giuliani’s ties to Kerik include promoting him to correction commissioner, then to police commissioner while he served as mayor. Giuliani later also hired him at his firm, Giuliani Partners -- and recommended him to President Bush for the position of Homeland Security secretary.

The bribery allegations involve a secret meeting at a bar in Tribeca, according to two sources familiar with the federal probe, reports the News. Kerik has turned down a deal to plead guilty to tax charges. The grand jury investigation has since expanded to include other charges, the paper reports.


The indictment will have direct implications for frontrunning presidential candidate Giuliani, the News reports – with another Giuliani commissioner and a top inspector general during Giuliani's years as mayor slated to be called as witnesseses to describe the secret meeting in Tribeca.


In July 1999, Raymond Casey, former head of the Trade Waste Commission, and Michael Caruso, former inspector general with the city Department of Investigation allegedly met with Kerik, then the city Correction Department commissioner, at Walker's bar on North Moore St.


At the time, Casey was investigating Interstate Industrial Corp., a company that employed Kerik's brother Donald and the best man at Kerik's wedding, Larry Ray. Reportedly, during the meeting, both Interstate and Ray were discussed. Kerik has admitted that at the time Interstate was paying to renovate his Bronx apartment.


The allegation is that Kerik used his city position to try to influence the city's probe of Interstate, notes the News report.


Last year, Kerik pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges brought by the Bronx district attorney in connection with receiving payments totaling $165,000 from Interstate.


Giuliani has admitted a failure in judgement. "It was a mistake," Giuliani told CNN's Larry King in February. "I think the answer is I made a mistake and I took responsibility for it."
 

Texan

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ff said:
You're wrong about the felony. He pled guilty to a misdemeanor. A Presidential Pardon will remove even that from his record. :wink:
Thanks for correcting me, ff. :wink:

Like OT said - what the heck does it take to make a felony. Probably not WHAT - it's probably WHO. I bet any of us would still be in jail for doing any of that crap. :???:

What about the question though, ff? I'll make the correction...

Who does Rudy currently have advising him that has been convicted of a misdemeanor AND that has lost security clearance?
 

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