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Hillary is falling on the knife

Tam

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I guess in the Obama Administration the buck stops anywhere but the Oval Office or the elite golf course that Obama is occupying at any given moment. They just announced Hillary took full responsibility for the Benghazi attacks, and you can bet Obama will be pointing that fact out during the debates when Foreign Affairs is the topic of discussion. :roll:
 

Tam

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They just had another report from Hillary and the lies continue. She said she takes full responsibility but the denial of extra security is left up to Security specialists not her. And Susan Rice's comments according to Hillary were a result from the FOG OF WAR. Gee the State Department employee testified she was ON THE PHONE WITH BENGHAZI AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK AND SAID THERE WAS NO PROTEST, they also testified there was a dozen reports pointing to a TERRORIST ATTACK and not one report about a Spontanious Protest within hours of the attack so where is the FOG that lead to Susan Rice's comments five days later? :? :roll:
 

gmacbeef

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Tam said:
I guess in the Obama Administration the buck stops anywhere but the Oval Office or the elite golf course that Obama is occupying at any given moment. They just announced Hillary took full responsibility for the Benghazi attacks, and you can bet Obama will be pointing that fact out during the debates when Foreign Affairs is the topic of discussion. :roll:

I can't believe she is that STUPID.I just lost that 1/100th of a % of respect I had for Hillary. After what Oblamea did to her 4 years ago for her to take the blame for his sorry ass is unbelievable. Her political career should be finished now. She is just as PATHETIC as Bill.
 

Mike

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Obama must have proof that Bill & Hillary had a hit job done on Vince Foster.

Either that, or she's nothing but a political whore. Or both...................
 

Steve

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politically she had little choice.. so far everyone in the Obama administration has just passed the buck and no one was willing to have any courage let alone act like a statesman..

LIMA, Peru (CNN) -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the buck stops with her when it comes to who is to blame for security ahead of a deadly assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya.

"I take responsibility" for what happened on September 11, Clinton said in an interview with CNN's Elise Labott soon after arriving in Lima, Peru, for a visit. The interview, one of a series given to U.S. television networks Monday night, was the first she has given about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

Clinton insisted President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are not involved in security decisions.

"I want to avoid some kind of political gotcha," she added, noting that it is close to the election.

The Obama administration has been heavily criticized after Vice President Joe Biden said during last week's vice presidential debate that the White House did not know of requests to enhance security at Benghazi, contradicting testimony by State Department employees that requests had been made and rejected.

Clinton also sought to downplay the criticism that administration officials continued to say the attack was a spontaneous product of a protest over an anti-Muslim film, a theory that has since been discarded.

In the wake of an attack, there is always "confusion," Clinton said. But the information has since changed, Clinton said in the interview.

The secretary of state also described the desperate scene in the State Department during the hours of the attack on the night of September 10. It was an "intense, long ordeal" as staff tried to find out what had happened.

well compared to coward in chief Obama, at least she finally took responsibility.. now all that is left is for her to resign...
 

Faster horses

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Steve said:
politically she had little choice.. so far everyone in the Obama administration has just passed the buck and no one was willing to have any courage let alone act like a statesman..

LIMA, Peru (CNN) -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the buck stops with her when it comes to who is to blame for security ahead of a deadly assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya.

"I take responsibility" for what happened on September 11, Clinton said in an interview with CNN's Elise Labott soon after arriving in Lima, Peru, for a visit. The interview, one of a series given to U.S. television networks Monday night, was the first she has given about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

Clinton insisted President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are not involved in security decisions.

"I want to avoid some kind of political gotcha," she added, noting that it is close to the election.

The Obama administration has been heavily criticized after Vice President Joe Biden said during last week's vice presidential debate that the White House did not know of requests to enhance security at Benghazi, contradicting testimony by State Department employees that requests had been made and rejected.

Clinton also sought to downplay the criticism that administration officials continued to say the attack was a spontaneous product of a protest over an anti-Muslim film, a theory that has since been discarded.

In the wake of an attack, there is always "confusion," Clinton said. But the information has since changed, Clinton said in the interview.

The secretary of state also described the desperate scene in the State Department during the hours of the attack on the night of September 10. It was an "intense, long ordeal" as staff tried to find out what had happened.

well compared to coward in chief Obama, at least she finally took responsibility.. now all that is left is for her to resign...

I find it very odd that she took responsibility the day before the debate
when she's had weeks to do it.
 

Steve

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Faster horses said:
I find it very odd that she took responsibility the day before the debate when she's had weeks to do it.

their timing in covering their arses is impeccable.. their ability to lead is downright atrocious
 
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Anonymous

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Or will Hillary become the Oliver North of the Democrat Party... :???:

Oliver_North_mug_shot.jpg



Altho I don't see her being thrown under the bus, put under arrest and convicted of crimes as Reagan allowed happen with North.... :(

Yep the Buck stops with Obama- and I agree that he is at fault-- but as far as I'm concerned his and Hillary's fault is we should never have had openly identifiable Diplomatic corps in the area if the new government (Libya) could not positively guarantee their safety... Major detachments of Marine guards could not prevent/stop an organized attack in a foreign country...

And I agree with not sending in detachments of very visible marines- as all that would do is add to the insecurity of the belief Bush made in the Muslim world that the US is going to invade and take over the middle east nationbuilding -- and really stirred up the locals...

And this is by far not the first US diplomat killed- and the 9th US Ambassador killed since 1950 (with the majority of those happening in the mideast)...
 
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Anonymous

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Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....
 

Faster horses

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Oldtimer said:
Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....

There were sure a lot of years between Reagan and Obama...just sayin'
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....

It is very unique and downright disgusting because there was simply not sufficient security.

U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens wanted a Security Support Team, made up of 16 special operations soldiers, to stay with him in Libya after their deployment was scheduled to end, the commander of that security team told ABC News.
 

Tam

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And I agree with not sending in detachments of very visible marines- as all that would do is add to the insecurity of the belief Bush made in the Muslim world that the US is going to invade and take over the middle east nationbuilding -- and really stirred up the locals...


Oldtimer said:
Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....

Can't help yourself can you Oldtimer? :roll:

But what I did noticed is you Blame Bush for insecurities in the Muslim world but there wasn't an Ambassador killed under Bush, either Bush. Why is that Oldtimer? Could it be they provided security when it was needed/requested unlike your hero Obama when his Administration recieved a request for added security. ANd don't even try blame the Republicans and the reported budget cuts as the Department employee that testified to the Congress said budget cuts had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DENIED SECURITY REQUEST. That is another lie Obama and his talking heads are spreading that the sworn testimony proved to be what it was A LIE, just like the Spontanious Protest Story.
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
And I agree with not sending in detachments of very visible marines- as all that would do is add to the insecurity of the belief Bush made in the Muslim world that the US is going to invade and take over the middle east nationbuilding -- and really stirred up the locals...


Oldtimer said:
Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....

Can't help yourself can you Oldtimer? :roll:

But what I did noticed is you Blame Bush for insecurities in the Muslim world but there wasn't an Ambassador killed under Bush, either Bush. Why is that Oldtimer? Could it be they provided security when it was needed/requested unlike your hero Obama when his Administration recieved a request for added security. ANd don't even try blame the Republicans and the reported budget cuts as the Department employee that testified to the Congress said budget cuts had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DENIED SECURITY REQUEST. That is another lie Obama and his talking heads are spreading that the sworn testimony proved to be what it was A LIE, just like the Spontanious Protest Story.



.U.S. Planning to Slash Iraq Embassy Staff by as Much as Half Lucas Jackson/Reuters
By TIM ARANGO
Published: February 7, 2012 619 Comments


Less than two months after American troops left, the State Department is preparing to slash by as much as half the enormous diplomatic presence it had planned for Iraq, a sharp sign of declining American influence in the country.

Officials in Baghdad and Washington said that Ambassador James F. Jeffrey and other senior State Department officials were reconsidering the size and scope of the embassy, where the staff has swelled to nearly 16,000 people, mostly contractors.

The expansive diplomatic operation and the $750 million embassy building, the largest of its kind in the world, were billed as necessary to nurture a postwar Iraq on its shaky path to democracy and establish normal relations between two countries linked by blood and mutual suspicion. But the Americans have been frustrated by what they see as Iraqi obstructionism and are now largely confined to the embassy because of security concerns, unable to interact enough with ordinary Iraqis to justify the $6 billion annual price tag.


Tammy - what we paid for the embassy in Iraq- and budgeted for the yearly cost could have paid for a lot of US kids education- and health care- and would have reduced our national debt..

If these countries cannot guarantee the safety of our diplomats while in their country-- WE SHOULD NOT BE THERE.... We shouldn't have to build forts within "Indian country" to live there-- if its still "Indian Country" we should just get the Hell out of there...

To me this embassy (that went many times over its estimated cost) is just another example of GW Bush pi$$ing away our taxpayer dollars building sandboxes in the desert.....

If these countries don't want us in their countries- get out...Quit sending them dollars.... Let them stand on their own two feet...But darn sure don't send in US diplomats until they want them and will quarantee their security....
 

Tam

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BTW what year was it that Bush was invovled it the over through of the Libyan Government Oldtimer? Seems to me that was ALL OBAMA so to even mention Bush when it comes to a death of the LIBYAN AMBASSADOR IN BENGHAZI shows just how far you will go to blame Bush. :roll:
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....



Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979.
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/12/before-libya-u-s-ambassadors-who-have-died-in-the-line-of-duty/#ixzz29QgQESgL


Arnold L. Raphel, Pakistan, 1988 (plane crash) Ronald Reagan

Adolph Dubs, Afghanistan, 1979 terrorists Jimmy Carter

Francis E. Meloy Jr., Lebanon, 1976 terrorists/militants Gerald Ford

Rodger P. Davies, Cyprus, 1974 .protestors Gerald Ford

Cleo A. Noel, Jr., Sudan, 1973 .terrorists Richard Nixon

John Gordon Mein, Guatemala, 1968 .terrorists Lyndon B. Johnson

Laurence A. Steinhardt, Canada, 1950 (plane crash) Harry S. Truman


might not be the first ambassador killed,.. but Obama is the first president to blame everyone around him... and deny the truth for several weeks..
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
If these countries cannot guarantee the safety of our diplomats while in their country-- WE SHOULD NOT BE THERE.... We shouldn't have to build forts within "Indian country" to live there-- if its still "Indian Country" we should just get the Hell out of there...
....

Wow just how many army forts were built in Indian country in the early days of the US and if they had not been would you be living the high life in Valley County Montana. With your comments I expect you to sign over the deed to your Property and get the hell out if a native asks to have it back. :roll:

BTW I would rather see a few million spent re-enforcing a embassy in a foreign country than HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ON A SOCCER FIELD AT GITMO.

Come to think of it I would rather see hundreds of thousands spent on security for an Ambassador in a foreign country over seeing Michelle Obama taking a separate private tax paid for jet on vacation only to have her hubby follow in another Tax paid for jet a few hours later. Gee, just think how many US kids could be educated on Michelle Obama's travel allowance so she can jet set around the friggin world embarrassing US citizens with her protocol breaking attitude. :roll:

Oh and I would rather see thousands of dollars spend on protecting US citizens in a foreign country over providing Obama's top advisor Valerie Jarrett Secret Service Protect while she sun baths at Martha's Vineyard.

But these all seem to be more important than the life of a diplomat to the Obama Administration don't they OLDTIMER. :roll:
 
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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....



Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979.
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/12/before-libya-u-s-ambassadors-who-have-died-in-the-line-of-duty/#ixzz29QgQESgL


Arnold L. Raphel, Pakistan, 1988 (plane crash) Ronald Reagan

Adolph Dubs, Afghanistan, 1979 terrorists Jimmy Carter

Francis E. Meloy Jr., Lebanon, 1976 terrorists/militants Gerald Ford

Rodger P. Davies, Cyprus, 1974 .protestors Gerald Ford

Cleo A. Noel, Jr., Sudan, 1973 .terrorists Richard Nixon

John Gordon Mein, Guatemala, 1968 .terrorists Lyndon B. Johnson

Laurence A. Steinhardt, Canada, 1950 (plane crash) Harry S. Truman


might not be the first ambassador killed,.. but Obama is the first president to blame everyone around him... and deny the truth for several weeks..

Arnold Lewis Raphel (March 16, 1943 – August 17, 1988) was the 18th United States Ambassador to Pakistan. He was killed along with Pakistani President Zia ul-Haq and Brigadier General Herbert M. Wassom when their plane mysteriously crashed shortly after takeoff from Bahawalpur.

Just for your info--If you follow intelligence info- altho it was never definitely proven most believe Ambassador Raphel died in a terrorist orchestrated bring down of the plane ...

Probably wasn't election time so no opposing cult was around screaming at Reagan to invade a sovereign nation to do an investigation ... :roll: :(
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Interestingly- in the Ambassadors murdered in the last 44 years--

one was under LBJ
one was under Nixon
two were under Ford
one under Carter
one under Reagan
one under Obama


Doesn't look to me like this is a unique or isolated happening....



Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979.
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/12/before-libya-u-s-ambassadors-who-have-died-in-the-line-of-duty/#ixzz29QgQESgL


Arnold L. Raphel, Pakistan, 1988 (plane crash) Ronald Reagan

Adolph Dubs, Afghanistan, 1979 terrorists Jimmy Carter

Francis E. Meloy Jr., Lebanon, 1976 terrorists/militants Gerald Ford

Rodger P. Davies, Cyprus, 1974 .protestors Gerald Ford

Cleo A. Noel, Jr., Sudan, 1973 .terrorists Richard Nixon

John Gordon Mein, Guatemala, 1968 .terrorists Lyndon B. Johnson

Laurence A. Steinhardt, Canada, 1950 (plane crash) Harry S. Truman


might not be the first ambassador killed,.. but Obama is the first president to blame everyone around him... and deny the truth for several weeks..

Arnold Lewis Raphel (March 16, 1943 – August 17, 1988) was the 18th United States Ambassador to Pakistan. He was killed along with Pakistani President Zia ul-Haq and Brigadier General Herbert M. Wassom when their plane mysteriously crashed shortly after takeoff from Bahawalpur.

Just for your info--If you follow intelligence info- altho it was never definitely proven most believe Ambassador Raphel died in a terrorist orchestrated bring down of the plane ...

Probably wasn't election time so no opposing cult was around screaming at Reagan to invade a sovereign nation to do an investigation ... :roll: :(

You really are a jack azz aren't you Oldtimer :roll: To think the only reason people want answers to why four Americans died and Obama and his administration tried to lie about the cause, is do to it being an election year is plain SICK. If you don't care about why your President is lieing to you about the death of an Ambassador that tells us a lot about you. SICK JUST PLAIN SICK. Think of it this way Oldtimer if Obama is bold face lying about something that was so easily proven to be a LIE, what else is he lying to you about and can he be trusted to tell the friggin truth? Lara Logan proved he is lying about his efforts to take out Al Quaeda now didn't she? So again what else is he lying to you about to protect his more than tarnished legacy? :? :roll:
 
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